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Euphoric Physics

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After much frustration I finally managed to get my first PSP level put together. It's entitled "Euphoric Physics". It is based on a level I worked on in the beta, but unfortunately never got a chance to finish. The basic idea for the level was to have all of the obstacles be physics based, only using gears and homemade pistons. I hope everyone enjoys it, it was certainly a blast to make!

Pictures:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2772/4201376281_02f0529129_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2797/4201376231_bc21e04616_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2488/4202130438_b56563f768_o.jpg		2009-12-21 02:13:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

Awesome. Really liked the visuals. Very Mm's intro level, which I've never actually seen anyone try and do before so that's cool.

The gameplay is really interesting when you consider how all the mechanics are working and such. Some really fun stuff in there.

Only problem is that up until near the end of the level there is a massive frame rate drop, and I think it takes away from the level quite a bit

However, although it kind of tarnishes the experience a little, I can still appreciate it for what it is and for that, 5 stars without question 		2009-12-21 02:24:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Thanks Jack! I've noticed the framerate issues and have tried to fix it, but unfortunately to no prevail. I'll keep on working on it though, thanks for your feedback. 2009-12-21 02:36:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

Alrighty then - played it and it's cool!

Nice use of the pink and blue theme. Visually it's interesting. Ecletic and interesting.

The thing I really like is your experimentation with how certain combinations of movement affect things. It feels like a giant experiment. I think you were going for that kind of feeling based on the stickers you had with the graph paper - like a rocket scientist or physicist playing with Newton's laws.

It's more fun to figure out what's affecting what than to play imo but that's not a bad thing. I'd still rate it 5 stars and heart it 		2009-12-21 02:46:00

Author:
Morgana25
Posts: 5983

Darn it, I wanted to be the first to reply but I was skyping when you messaged me FULLGORR

Anyway, I had a blast playing the level. My wife was looking over my shoulder as I played it and she was commenting on how she loved everything.

I was going to mention the frame rate issue as well. I had the problem going on for the entire level, not just the start. That really is too bad, but I'm glad you did everything with the level that you did anyway. Without all the rotating objects, it just wouldn't have been nearly as good.		2009-12-21 02:51:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo
Posts: 1515

Hey Fullgorr,

What an impressive level! I guess the slow frame rate was merely the PSP succumbing to your superior skill and creativity...

Like others have mentioned, the visuals were impeccable, but I think the essence of this level lies on the technicalities. I love the gear motif and how you incorporated them into the platforming and gameplay mechanisms rather than just decorations. The lag was a shame, but the genius you showed more than made up for it.

:star::star::star::star::star: Author/level heart.

In between the pink and blue,
jeffcu28		2009-12-21 03:34:00

Author:
jeffcu28
Posts: 648

Holy sh... uh, stuffing. Epic physics awesomeness here - it boggles the mind how you even came up with this stuff. How you even got everything to work together at the same time is crazy - glitch fixing must have been a major task. This is easily the most technically impressive level I've seen on the PSP yet.

I love the visuals. Everything from the material choices, stickers, corner edited shapes, to the camera angles is excellent. You've got just enough sounds in there to really bring everything to life without overdoing it. Great choice on the music as well.

Everyone here has mentioned the slowdown, and of course that's my gripe as well. This is such an achievement that I really can't fault you for it at all... Level optimization is something that will take us all a while to figure out. The only thing I can think of is to add proximity switches to all of your moving bits - assuming you haven't done that already that is. There isn't much to be done with regards to bounding box issues just based on the nature of the level, so I'd consider that a non-factor.

5 stars, hearted, creator heart without question.		2009-12-21 19:20:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

I played this level, and I was very impressed.

It is unfortunate that there is a slowdown issue, but I think it's because you have too many moving parts off-screen. As Taffey has wisely suggested, putting proximity switches so that the emitters and motor bolts are only "on" while Sackboy is on-screen should help alleviate the issue. If you already do so, you could always lower the radius, as it seemed to me that objects continued to move about even at the very edges of the screen.

Regardless of the slowdown, this was well worth :star::star::star::star::star: and a ♥. Great stuff!		2009-12-21 19:48:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

I really appreciate everyone's feedback and compliments! I took some of your suggestions and republished it. I added proximity switches to all the moving parts and also deleted some extra corners and bits n' bobs I found around the level. It seems (in my opinion) to run a lot smoother. There is still some noticeable chugging but it is much better than before.

Please check it out (and heart it) again and let me know! Thanks!		2009-12-21 21:25:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

Uh oh! I went to re-download it and noticed it was spelled "Ephoric" rather than "Euphoric".

I'm having server connection difficulties right now but I'll grab it as soon as I can get the download to complete and give it another play.		2009-12-21 21:57:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

Ok, I gave this another try and it's loads better! The slowdown is perhaps half what it was, maybe less. It's much more playable, and still very much worthy of 5 more stars and a re-heart.2009-12-21 22:08:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

Uh oh! I went to re-download it and noticed it was spelled "Ephoric" rather than "Euphoric".

Ohh! That ain't good! Thanks for letting me know! *fixed*

And thanks for taking the time to play it again, I really appreciate it!		2009-12-21 22:11:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

No worries! It's fun to play, so it's been my pleasure. I downloaded it one more time, played it again, gave it 5 more stars (I believe that's 15 in total), and re-re-hearted it.

I forgot to mention it before, but I absolutely love the cart at the very end of the level. Also, right when you enter the large wheel the glass breaking and cat noises really make me laugh for some reason. It's all in the timing. 		2009-12-21 22:27:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

For a person like me, who has trouble making a single piston work, your level is pure magic. I can only imagine all the time and effort you put on this level, and all the possible glitches and bugs you may have faced while creating it.

The mechanisms and machinery are really impressive. After I completed the level, I quickly selected "Play again" to study everything. I still don't know how you made those things possible.

As for the visuals, I also loved them. The contrast between the machines theme (usually one thinks of grey, boring mechanisms) and the colourful environment was a welcome surprise. The selection of materials, stickers and shapes is fantastic.

Congratulations. And also, thank you so much for this technical master class.

5 stars, hearted level & author.		2009-12-21 22:28:00

Author:
Lleonard Pler
Posts: 277

Ok, I gave this another try and it's loads better! The slowdown is perhaps half what it was, maybe less. It's much more playable, and still very much worthy of 5 more stars and a re-heart.

Lol, I guess a big thank you is in order! In terms of the slow down, I'm glad you found it better, that proximity switch trick really does work.

It's kinda frustrating that you cannot republish a level without losing all of your play data. :/ I hope they fix it.


For a person like me, who has trouble making a single piston work, your level is pure magic. I can only imagine all the time and effort you put on this level, and all the possible glitches and bugs you may have faced while creating it.

The mechanisms and machinery are really impressive. After I completed the level, I quickly selected "Play again" to study everything. I still don't know how you made those things possible.

As for the visuals, I also loved them. The contrast between the machines theme (usually one thinks of grey, boring mechanisms) and the colourful environment was a welcome surprise. The selection of materials, stickers and shapes is fantastic.

Congratulations. And also, thank you so much for this technical master class.

5 stars, hearted level & author.

Wow, thanks! That means a lot coming from such a great creator! I would be glad to share the level with you if you like or even make a video showing some of the mechanics in greater detail. Just let me know.		2009-12-21 22:46:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

Wow! Really awesome level. The only problem is that it was very slow, but the slowness made it seem like slow motion which to me makes it feel very similar or like its used in the right level... LOL. 5:star:, author heart and hearted! 2009-12-21 23:18:00

Author:
PokerPolo
Posts: 13

I LOVED it =) gave it 5 stars and hearted and i was the first one to play it =) my psn is blaze123joy2009-12-22 01:10:00

Author:
lbp4lif3
Posts: 15

Personally, I didn't care much for the visuals, but the gameplay's really cool! About the slowdown (which I thought was acceptable), the optimization level by AceCreator mentioned it also helps to use a camera zone to zoom in (less stuff on-screen).2009-12-26 15:26:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

probably one of my favorite LBP PSP lvls. good work .2010-01-15 07:05:00

Author:
butkicka3000
Posts: 11

I've been toggling back and forth between searching the Community Moon and playing some downloaded levels this morning. I just re-connected to the Community Moon for probably the 5th time in the last 30 minutes and heard the characteristic "bleagh" sound that happens when you un-heart something. This also happens when a level you hearted has become banned, so I started searching around.

This level has been banned! ...literally just minutes ago. What the heck???		2010-01-25 19:06:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

[...]This level has been banned! ...literally just minutes ago. What the heck???

Are you sure about that? I'm going to have to check this out, but it's a real injustice if this level was moderated. 		2010-01-25 19:14:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

This level has been banned! ...literally just minutes ago. What the heck???

WHAT!
Nooooo....

How very dare you Sony!

Upon connecting to the server it also bans your local copy.
This is stupid.


Are you sure about that? I'm going to have to check this out, but it's a real injustice if this level was moderated.

Confirmed at my end
Sad times.
http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3194/p25011019190001.jpg		2010-01-25 19:17:00

Author:
mnimmo1986
Posts: 552

Hmm obviously something wrong here..I will try and find out what is going on.2010-01-25 19:22:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Well I guess I won't go online if it means downloaded levels I enjoyed will get blocked on my PSP, even though I hearted the level! Talk about a design flaw.

I sincerely hope it's just in a moderation queue and not actually moderated... and also that we don't have the same affliction of high-rated-level-griefers that the PS3 version has. 		2010-01-25 19:44:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

Well I guess I won't go online if it means downloaded levels I enjoyed will get blocked on my PSP, even though I hearted the level! Talk about a design flaw.I'm sure that this is a legal requirement. They have to remove the level from your local PSP, or else obscene levels with naughty words and male appendages created by 12-year-olds would live on our PSPs forever. No thanks. It's no good either way, but the real shame here is that good levels like this one seem to keep coming under fire from the ban-o-rator.




I sincerely hope it's just in a moderation queue and not actually moderated... and also that we don't have the same affliction of high-rated-level-griefers that the PS3 version has. I'm with you there. We are all in danger of "jealousy griefs". I hope they get this figured out soon. In the meantime, I'm just really glad that we have someone like jackofcourse around the boards to help us out!		2010-01-25 19:54:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

The levels don't automatically get banned when someone griefs them, nothing happens to the level until the moderator actually checks it over and then decides whether the grief report was accurate or not. Obviously in this case something has gone wrong as this level has nothing ban worthy in it.

I've asked and they will be investigating what's happened here first thing tomorrow, I'm sure it'll be unbanned asap just like Poo's levels.		2010-01-25 20:00:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Thanks for the support everyone! Poo filled me in this morning but I didn't get a chance to see for myself 'til now. Thanks jack for taking care of things. I really appreciate it.

I guess the level was just too colourful... Just look at all that naughty, naughty pink.

EDIT:

I think I found the culprit;

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2784/4304310149_79e894f4d9_o.jpg

:O Lol		2010-01-25 22:34:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

I think I found the culprit;

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2784/4304310149_79e894f4d9_o.jpg

I SEE IT!!! The piston on the right has a dark smudge. You're putting DIRTY PISTONS in your level! >:O How could you?		2010-01-25 23:02:00

Author:
SirPaper
Posts: 150

I think I found the culprit;

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2784/4304310149_79e894f4d9_o.jpg

:O Lol

hahahaha excellent.		2010-01-25 23:03:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Update!

Cambridge know about the issue, they've played the level before and agree that there is absolutely nothing offensive in it and are currently sorting it out with the moderators. I'm sure it will be unbanned as soon as the crossed wires become uncrossed 		2010-01-26 15:10:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

First Unearthed Paradise, now this. What is the world coming to? (Admittedly these are from two separate games but my point still stands!)2010-01-26 15:21:00

Author:
FlipMeister
Posts: 631

Update!

Cambridge know about the issue, they've played the level before and agree that there is absolutely nothing offensive in it and are currently sorting it out with the moderators. I'm sure it will be unbanned as soon as the crossed wires become uncrossed

Awesome! Thanks jack! Great news, thanks for doing all of this for me. 		2010-01-26 16:35:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

Another update!

It turns out that the grief report was actually legit, the moderators feel they have found something that is against the EULA. Cambridge are currently using their own moderation tool (it allows you to view the level zoomed out and see if there is anything naughty hidden away) to see what the moderators are seeing because they cannot understand why it has been griefed.

I'm still 100% confident that this will all be resolved. Cambridge are as baffled as we are as to what the moderators think they have found.		2010-01-26 19:22:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Legit? Oh no! Fullgorr, are you hiding something from us? Naughty....

Just kidding. I'm sure everything is kosher--the moderators probably just have a wild imagination. If this remains banned, well, then I will have a permanent frown on my face. But here's to an optimistic outcome! 		2010-01-26 19:50:00

Author:
jeffcu28
Posts: 648

Thanks again jack. I'm very confused as to what was found. The only thing I can honestly think of is the inclusion of the first bar of "Jingle Bells", but isn't that song public domain? And why would anyone have a problem with that?!

If it helps for Cambridge to talk with me directly, I'll provide my e-mail.		2010-01-26 19:55:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

I love this level, it is really stunning and very clever - if it does remain banned then it will be such a shame. I don't think you should worry about the Jingle Bells bit though - think how many music based levels there are out there (on PS3 too) that play entire songs let alone a simple phrase. I really hope this gets resolved soon, and for the better!2010-01-26 20:16:00

Author:
T3natrix
Posts: 23

The only thing I can think of is that if you put "Euphoric Physics" into a free online translator and bounce it around different languages 10 or 20 times, perhaps it comes back as "beer bong" or something like that.2010-01-26 21:13:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

The only thing I can think of is that if you put "Euphoric Physics" into a free online translator and bounce it around different languages 10 or 20 times, perhaps it comes back as "beer bong" or something like that.

******! You caught me! Well, actually it was something else and then "bong", but you have the right idea. Lol		2010-01-26 21:29:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

Sorry to bump this, but is there any word as to the current status of the level?2010-01-28 19:44:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

Hey Fullgorr,

I just checked, and unfortunately, this level is still banned . I'm sure it will be back up soon...

Hang in there,
jeffcu28		2010-01-28 23:53:00

Author:
jeffcu28
Posts: 648

Should have read this before I went online today.


Cambridge are currently using their own moderation tool (it allows you to view the level zoomed out and see if there is anything naughty hidden away)

Hmm... so if you emit the level piece by piece as the player approaches, maybe they won't be able to see... 		2010-01-29 16:03:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

PLEASE HELP! i have no self-esteem/ friends!2010-02-01 01:21:00

Author:
smurficus
Posts: 6

PLEASE HELP! i have no self-esteem/ friends!

I'm sorry--- Wha?		2010-02-01 03:30:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

agreed...what are you saying2010-02-01 04:50:00

Author:
theswweet
Posts: 2468

I tried to download this level last week and it appeared as unavailable due to moderation. I just tried again and it's not appearing at all. Sorry for the bad news and I hope this isn't causing you probs..2010-02-01 16:54:00

Author:
Tanuki75
Posts: 172

Just a quick mention that this level hasn't been forgotten about!

The moderators are still upholding the ban but Cambridge are doing all they can to get it straightened out and back online.

Will post back when I know more 		2010-02-03 15:00:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

I am told the level is back online!

The reason for the grief was that someone had stuck stickers all over it and then griefed it. The moderating team didn't realise that was a possibility, it is something to do with the game not having online play, (don't ask!).

As I stated back with Poo's griefing problems it is clear that their system needs to be revised and luckily that is exactly what is happening. Due to the errors and mishaps that have happened over the past few weeks the moderation team will be re-evaluating their procedures to ensure something like this doesn't happen again!

Go and re-download people! 		2010-02-04 13:13:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

I am told the level is back online!

The reason for the grief was that someone had stuck stickers all over it and then griefed it. The moderating team didn't realise that was a possibility, it is something to do with the game not having online play, (don't ask!).It's very discouraging to learn that this behavior exists on the PSP despite the inability to make custom stickers. I assume nothing was done to punish those responsible?


As I stated back with Poo's griefing problems it is clear that their system needs to be revised and luckily that is exactly what is happening. Due to the errors and mishaps that have happened over the past few weeks the moderation team will be re-evaluating their procedures to ensure something like this doesn't happen again!Good to know, and hopefully it'll lead to real results instead of just being empty words. It's hard enough making a level with the imperfect create mode. Having to deal with unfair griefs would only drive away even more creators. 		2010-02-04 13:52:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

I just re-downloaded it again and gave it a play. I had forgotten how great this level was Awesome stuff FULLGORR!2010-02-04 15:00:00

Author:
amazingflyingpoo
Posts: 1515

I'm really glad to see this back online - it's one of my favorites. Everybody, remember to re-heart this level as well! 2010-02-05 17:46:00

Author:
Taffey
Posts: 3187

Awesome! Thank you so much Jack for keeping on top of everything. And thanks to everyone else for the support, to be honest, I was starting to lose hope.

What upsets me is how the moderators did not even review the level after the submission was made. What kind of system is that!? They should know where the good grief was made and should double check said area. People put in countless hours into these levels and they need to realize that.		2010-02-05 21:07:00

Author:
FULLGORR
Posts: 245

Congratulations getting this back up FULLGORR and tons of thanks to Jack for staying on top of things!

I haven't hooked up my psp to the network since I heard it was moderated so I still have the original on mine Good to know it's safe to sign back in!		2010-02-05 21:10:00

Author:
Morgana25
Posts: 5983

The reason for it taking so long is because the moderators were adamant that what they had was grief worthy, which in actual fact it was, it's just what they had wasn't what FULLGORR published!

Both the person that passed this on to the right people (who you should all mysteriously thank by the way, she may see it ) and myself have tried to work out how they could make such an error, but it just doesn't really add up! They presumed that because you cannot play the levels actually online, that there was no way anyone would be able to deface the level and grief it. Absolutely crazy, I know.

The only thing I can possibly think of is this: You know when you don't really think about something and just presume you're right, and then when you actually think about it it's like 'Oh hang on, that's just totally wrong'. Well that's what they must have done! haha. But I suppose when it is regarding something that is your job, it basically just translates to incompetence!

Anyway, after this error they have clearly realised that their system and procedures are heavily flawed and are currently in the process of amending them. So hopefully we won't have any more problems like this!		2010-02-05 21:28:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Both the person that passed this on to the right people (who you should all mysteriously thank by the way, she may see it ) and myself have tried to work out how they could make such an error, but it just doesn't really add up!Thank you, mysterious invisible person! And thank you Jack! We just might have to start calling you a hero from now on.


Anyway, after this error they have clearly realised that their system and procedures are heavily flawed and are currently in the process of amending them. So hopefully we won't have any more problems like this!Good to know! Although I do wonder how many other levels fell victim to this prank, and if they're going to be revising all of their previous grief judgments.		2010-02-05 23:01:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

Really good level! 5 stars and heart2010-03-11 13:29:00

Author:
himoks
Posts: 734


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