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With the Leerdammer update coming, the water update has to be next. But the question is, how will it effect us? Some of us LBP players have worked hard to make realisitc water levels (The Azure Palace is a great example), and when the water update comes, whiny little kids will say 'Lol this nub used faek water.'. While this is ignorable, it can be irratating having you work put down like this. Another is levels that are all about fake water. Their popularity will die down when chances are, the creator might have worked hard on it. But there is some good things. We can now have realistic beaches, pools, and a whole lot of new things to make (underwater basketball anyone?). The point is, the water update will soon be upon us and we must prepare for the best and the worst. What effects do you think the water cheese will have upon us? Discuss.

2009-11-29 22:24:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262

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The point is, the water update will soon be upon us and we must prepare for the best and the worst. What effects do you think the water cheese will have upon us? Discuss. That makes it sound like a disease. I say, there'll be the usual bunch of boring, repetitive survival levels, a million "My first water level" levels and a few hidden gems. Just as now really, but with added water. As for fake water... Stop caring about what other people think, built and use whatever meets your standards.

2009-11-29 22:29:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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Well, i've heard that it won't be an update. Rumor has it that it may be a downloadable kit.

2009-11-29 22:29:00 Author: TehUberZac Posts: 587

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well thats why its a rumour zac. The water pack will see an explosion of new crappy levels, and then it will die down, rather like the bomb survivals have died down.

2009-11-29 22:36:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078

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Well, i've heard that it won't be an update. Rumor has it that it may be a downloadable kit. It's possible that this would be the case, IMO it's something they could justifiably charge for, and a lot of people would buy it. However, I think this is unlikely, and it doesn't really make any difference with regards to this thread, even if you don't buy water, you will still be able to play with it, just not create. TBH, I see quite a few people remaking levels that have fake water, and I think that is a shame. It will be sad to see some real works of art and LBP history torn down because they will suddenly become less popular. I hope that those people who do do remakes of water levels keep the old ones up. I've never actually been that impressed by fake water, I never bought the illusion, but I totally respect what they were doing and I think it's a shame to throw that away. As syroc says, not much is going to change, we will see a lot of my first water levels and then as that dies down we will get some new fads (sinking ship survival is my bet), and by that point some proper levels will have come out and business will be back to normal. Unless people can bring their beta levels out from the beta into the real world, in which case expect there to be some real quality in the first week.

2009-11-29 22:41:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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TBH, I see quite a few people remaking levels that have fake water, and I think that is a shame. It will be sad to see some real works of art and LBP history torn down because they will suddenly become less popular. Exactly!! *

2009-11-29 22:44:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262

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Oh god expect " ZOMG THE FLOOR IS FALLING IN TEH WATER!!!!1!!" Oh and how can I forget? "Little big pool" "Little big beach" "Little big water" "Little big lava" and the imminent: "When the bombs fell WATER EDITION!!!1!!one!!!!1!" Yeah but also many great levels will be coming

2009-11-29 22:57:00 Author: iGotFancyPants Posts: 1355

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"When the bombs fell WATER EDITION!!!1!!one!!!!1!" Yeah, expect "Clucking Cluck Water with ClucK Donalds!!!!!!!WuN!!!11!!!" Oh, and i also found this http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/5585/cba.png

2009-11-29 23:03:00 Author: TehUberZac Posts: 587

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IMO it won't make any difference. As hyped as water is it's really just another tool albeit a major one. It will just be a case of the creators who make crap levels now will make crap levels with water and continue to occupy page 1 of the 'cool' ?? pages while the great creators will make great levels with water. It's just up to us to continue doing what we do now and sort the wheat from the chaff. We'll have plenty of great water based levels to look forward to via LBPC and the community spotlight and level showcase as always.

2009-11-29 23:13:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210

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It will just be a case of the creators who make crap levels now will make crap levels with water and continue to occupy page 1 of the 'cool' ?? pages while the great creators will make great levels with water. Hopefully we will still see great creators making levels without water as well though. I'd hate to see an LBP where every level has to have water in just because it's available. But other than that I think you're completely right.

2009-11-29 23:30:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Hopefully we will still see great creators making levels without water as well though. I'd hate to see an LBP where every level has to have water in just because it's available. But other than that I think you're completely right. Oh yes of course. I wasn't suggesting water would become the norm for every level. That would soon get boring. What I meant was the great creators would be capable of making great water levels if they choose to aswell as their normal stuff. I just didn't phrase it very well.

2009-11-29 23:33:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210

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I don't think simulated water is worth any less than normal water, in fact, using simulated water means you can control player a lot more and keep water to a purely scenic degree rather than having to account for players swimming out of the level and into oblivion. Simulated water varies in quality depending on how the player has achieved it. A block of blue glass does look a bit teds, I agree, but nice waterfalls and little pools here and there are sometimes all you need. I am not looking forward to the water survival levels however.

2009-11-29 23:49:00 Author: Asbestos101 Posts: 1114

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@mrV: I know, I was just messing with ya! But it's also a point worth bringing up. After water comes out it's going to take a while before the masses pay attention to anything that doesn't have water in. I beg everyone to not add water to their level unless it makes sense - no generic swimming section just because you can. Use it when it fits. Oh, and i also found this http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/5585/cba.png Yes, but creator pack 1 was arguably a similar thing and that was free. Just because it is part of a kit does not mean that you have to pay for it. The updates for the client will have to come as an update anyway - DLC just unlocks tools in this game, we download the actual content through the incremental updates. Essentially, in whatever form the water is coming, it is coming and all of us will be able to play levels with water in, so when it hits, the face of the community levels will change. Which is the subject of this thread.

2009-11-29 23:50:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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I just thought of something else. Survive the Titantic levels. Oh gawd.

2009-11-30 00:18:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262

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If rtm223 is right, and leerdammer is the closest update to water, we might have water on monday, but we wouldn't be able to access it until a later date!

2009-11-30 00:26:00 Author: Deviantgeek Posts: 386

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As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in the water beta, I can say that I personally don't think it will nullify the earlier water levels. The water is SO different than any other mechanic in LBP that it's a totally different type of gameplay. In fact, I could see creators still using simulated water for certain effects. The water is fantastic and really stretches the types of levels you can create, but it isn't really an end-all-be-all. I think Azure Palace's fast paced movement with colors simulating water is more appropriate for THAT level than the slow floaty movement of the real water. Azure palace will continue to be fun, whether it's updated or not.

2009-11-30 00:34:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in the water beta, I can say that I personally don't think it will nullify the earlier water levels. The water is SO different than any other mechanic in LBP that it's a totally different type of gameplay. In fact, I could see creators still using simulated water for certain effects. The water is fantastic and really stretches the types of levels you can create, but it isn't really an end-all-be-all. I think Azure Palace's fast paced movement with colors simulating water is more appropriate for THAT level than the slow floaty movement of the real water. Azure palace will continue to be fun, whether it's updated or not. But more importantly, while reading Deviant's post, this one faded into existence and made me jump a little. Back on subject, how are you sure? No one can predict 7 year olds.

2009-11-30 00:36:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262

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As someone who has spent quite a bit of time in the water beta, I can say that I personally don't think it will nullify the earlier water levels. The water is SO different than any other mechanic in LBP that it's a totally different type of gameplay. In fact, I could see creators still using simulated water for certain effects. The water is fantastic and really stretches the types of levels you can create, but it isn't really an end-all-be-all. I agree totally CCubbage, but: how are you sure? No one can predict 7 year olds. After "real" water comes out, the masses will be less impressed by fake water - the subtleties of differing gameplay mechanics aren't significant to the masses - you of all people should know this. I expect the masses to pressure (through spam and general annoyance) the creators of those older levels to update them. This will at best lead to a general feeling amongst the wider community that fake water levels aren't worth playing. Many creators, even the talented ones (sometimes particularly the talented ones) take such things to heart. It's not what I want to see happen, it's not what should happen, but I have very little faith in the wider community, so I expect it to happen.

2009-11-30 00:44:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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It's not what I want to see happen, it's not what should happen, but I have very little faith in the wider community, so I expect it to happen. Those bold letters made the quote oh so better.

2009-11-30 00:48:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262

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Think it'll bring in a whole lot of new kinds of levels but yeah, some discrediting of the fake water levels that people put so much effort into.

2009-11-30 00:49:00 Author: ePsil0n Posts: 23

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We'll see.... I think once the water has been out for a bit it will lose its shine and it will become another play mechanic - sort of like the paintinator. Everything "new" is exciting and overused. Heck, I recently came out with a level that had NO 3D glitch in it at all - and it survived cool pages....imagine that! Cartoony waves are still much more appropriate for certain looks - and that's what we're really talking about I think - how it "looks". The new water feature has plenty of limitations that TOTALLY make it inappropriate for many water-type scenarios, and in a matter of time the gamers will see the difference. Interestingly, gevurah22 had an Azure palace-type underwater fight in the beta and the first thing I thought was that the slowness made it much less riviting than the original - it's only a matter of time before players know the difference. But, on the other hand.... I LOVE the new water mechanic and look forward to gameplay to expand in all sorts of directions using it!

2009-11-30 02:13:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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We shall see.

2009-11-30 02:15:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262

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I think the Water Pack will probably cost money, and have some MM made levels. Think of when the paintinator came out, it came with levels so MM could show what they could do with it, and to get the ball rolling for everyone else. And this is just me, but I don't mind if people add water to their old levels to update them. I'd like to play The Azure Palace again re-made with real water. Water's so immersive, with the right lighting and decorations underwater levels are just unbelievably gorgeous.

2009-11-30 10:28:00 Author: TripleTremelo Posts: 490

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You guys think of survivals as a bad thing! Actually they are kinda fun! And lets face it! Who knows what kind of awsome survivals could be made! fun cool minigames! Remember A_Mortons bring on the wall? That was a really good level. And i think that Bomb survivals in water will be fun! Trust me, these survivals will work. I played a titanic survival level with my friends the other day! wow! i thought... but then i said it would probably be even better with water! XD!

2009-11-30 11:18:00 Author: Tawarf Posts: 457

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I'm not touching that one.

2009-11-30 12:35:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129

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@mrV: I know, I was just messing with ya! But it's also a point worth bringing up. After water comes out it's going to take a while before the masses pay attention to anything that doesn't have water in. I beg everyone to not add water to their level unless it makes sense - no generic swimming section just because you can. Use it when it fits. Oh, I dunno, judging by the teaser, water looks pretty. That alone makes it sensible to use it, just like it makes sense to use lighting and decorations. There are exceptions, of course. Water in the desert, or water in space, now that wouldn't make sense.

2009-11-30 12:56:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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But more importantly, while reading Deviant's post, this one faded into existence and made me jump a little. Back on subject, how are you sure? No one can predict 7 year olds. Wow.... you negative repped me for giving my opinion on the actual subject of the thread? Now I understand your opinion on 7 year olds.... you may just be one of them. Don't negative rep people just because you don't agree with their opinion.

2009-11-30 13:15:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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The water pack will see an explosion of new crappy levels, and then it will die down, rather like the bomb survivals have died down. bomb survivals died down, when did that happen? You might want to check the cool pages, prepare for a shock cheers, misty

2009-11-30 13:24:00 Author: Mother-Misty Posts: 574

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Hmm... negative repping for stating an opinion? Dear, dear. Well, here goes... I looked forward to water, and whilst I loved the way it looked, how I could use it was different to what I'd imagined. So I suppose all the creators whose work I look forward to now will still be the same with or without water. Should be interesting to see what people do with it, but judging by this thread, I think we already know.

2009-11-30 13:27:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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Hmm... negative repping for stating an opinion? Dear, dear. Well, here goes... I looked forward to water, and whilst I loved the way it looked, how I could use it was different to what I'd imagined. So I suppose all the creators whose work I look forward to now will still be the same with or without water. Should be interesting to see what people do with it, but judging by this thread, I think we already know. Just my final 2 cents before I lose all my rep on this thread: If you remember when Yarg came out, there was a similar thread about unlimited checkpoints. It was going to be "impossible" to have a regular checkpoint in a level ever again without all the kiddies spamming the level comments. There are still plenty of limited checkpoints still used out there. Also, I remember a thread somewhere about the paintinator - the masses will expect paintinators everywhere.... I definately think in the "short term" this thread is probably right. But many here who are worried about it haven't even SEEN the water feature yet. To elaborate on my above points (hopefully without getting negative repped) think about this: - If I want to have a bridge going over a small river, I will continue to use glass with a bit of gas above it to simulate water.... either that, or I'd have to "flood" the entire bottom of my level and it would look much worse. - If I have a cartoony level with a boat traveling from one place to another, I will probably still use cartoony waves. Why? It would look a lot better aesthetically in that kind of level - the new water feature simply won't do it well. - If I want to platform underwater (such as in one of the Chromostone levels or Little Big Aquarium) I will simulate water with atmosphere. Why? Because it's impossible to use the water for that type of level. By the way, my son IS a normal 7-year-old. And when he has his friends over I watch how they play. If a level looks good and its fun, they will play it and give it a decent rating. If they can't play it, they get frustrated and give it a poor rating. I would be much more concerned with difficulty as an issue than whether water is real or not.

2009-11-30 15:16:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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I definately think in the "short term" this thread is probably right. But many here who are worried about it haven't even SEEN the water feature yet. To elaborate on my above points (hopefully without getting negative repped) think about this: - If I want to have a bridge going over a small river, I will continue to use glass with a bit of gas above it to simulate water.... either that, or I'd have to "flood" the entire bottom of my level and it would look much worse. - If I have a cartoony level with a boat traveling from one place to another, I will probably still use cartoony waves. Why? It would look a lot better aesthetically in that kind of level - the new water feature simply won't do it well. - If I want to platform underwater (such as in one of the Chromostone levels or Little Big Aquarium) I will simulate water with atmosphere. Why? Because it's impossible to use the water for that type of level. By the way, my son IS a normal 7-year-old. And when he has his friends over I watch how they play. If a level looks good and its fun, they will play it and give it a decent rating. If they can't play it, they get frustrated and give it a poor rating. I would be much more concerned with difficulty as an issue than whether water is real or not. Agreed, and sorry bout bad rep. Its a long story.

2009-11-30 15:57:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262

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Wow.... you negative repped me for giving my opinion on the actual subject of the thread? Now I understand your opinion on 7 year olds.... you may just be one of them. Don't negative rep people just because you don't agree with their opinion. Well, I liked your post, nice to see levels without 3D still get some acknowledgement. Thanks is the same as a positive rep, right?

2009-11-30 16:25:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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I think it will be possibel to get plays on a level without water.

2009-11-30 16:51:00 Author: Unknown User

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I'm still highly anticipating water. Sure, there's probably gonna be thousands of empty levels with water published just because "they can". However, I know some of the greatest creative masterminds will think of a good use for the water and make fun and engaging levels with it. I also believe that levels without water will still be played and liked by many (including me). I still love those glass water effects I've seen around and that won't be changing with the release of water. From what I've seen in the teaser, "real" water has its limitations by flooding the entire level. I'd like to see someone make a waterfall with that

2009-11-30 16:56:00 Author: GreyMRP Posts: 588

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bomb survivals died down, when did that happen? You might want to check the cool pages, prepare for a shock Sorry what i mean is, that the (and i use this word extremely lightly) original bomb survival levels, the flat plains made of layers of sponge, have long since been replaced by "Hotel Bomb Survivals" "Cluck Cluck Shut the cluck up survival levels" and "OMG TEH FLOOR IZ SIKNIG" what i mean is there will be an explosion of crappy water levels, then there will be the rare pearls under all that water and sand,

2009-11-30 20:42:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078

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Water in the desert, or water in space, now that wouldn't make sense. No water in the desert? > Oasis No water in space? > earth, Neptune. (almost) everything can make sense, if the excecution is done right though. I am wondering how the water will work, And if I am able to find creative out-of-the-box thinking with it, without it becoming a gimmick.

2009-12-07 00:10:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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And if I am able to find creative out-of-the-box thinking with it, without it becoming a gimmick. Obviously I can't give any details, bu the way water has been implimented gives a lot of scope for creative gameplay ideas. There are a lot of subtleties to to that could allow for some quite unique stuff, as long as you are willing to look for it.

2009-12-07 00:52:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Water will be amazing, just as the Paintinator and Online Create are. Yes, there will be crappy levels made using water. But we shouldn't care about them (we generally disregard most of the content on Cool Pages as junk anyways) because we know that many of the established creators, even some of the unknown ones, will create amazing content that will continue to confound, amaze, and inspire us to do better. My two cents - I wish I had more money. :B

2009-12-07 01:08:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129

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When the bombs sunk. I CALLED IT!

2009-12-07 01:46:00 Author: chezhead Posts: 1063

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When the bombs sunk. I CALLED IT! K but I call LittleBigWater levels! lol

2009-12-07 02:00:00 Author: iGotFancyPants Posts: 1355

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When the bombs sunk. I CALLED IT! I'd bet more into something like "Oh Dear, the water is rising" type of levels. .

2009-12-07 04:57:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Ya, new things are always overdone. I was actually about to make a thread about how often people are abusing the music pack. It was good at first, great, but now all the music in that pack is the same as all the other music to me.

2009-12-07 05:10:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251

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will it change anything? yea... there will be water will it CHANGE anything? no...there will still be crappy levels...with water

2009-12-07 05:18:00 Author: Littlebigdude805 Posts: 1924

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"The point is, the water update will soon be upon us and we must prepare for the best and the worst. What effects do you think the water cheese will have upon us? Discuss." I'll have fun with it?

2009-12-07 07:02:00 Author: BasketSnake Posts: 2391

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oh no! russelsmuscles wont be able to promise us real water at the end of his obstacles anymore... his next level will promise us fake water at the end...

2009-12-07 07:30:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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Sorry, that makes no sense, it's just a stream of words. Try using some punctuation.

2009-12-07 15:40:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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He said that we should not worry. Thats basically it.

2009-12-07 15:50:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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thank you Luos every forum i go to someone has to be rude about my grammar. Im sorry it's a problem i have my thoughts come out to fast sometimes resulting in jumbled sentence structures.

2009-12-07 15:53:00 Author: kevin2314 Posts: 59

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That makes it sound like a disease. I say, there'll be the usual bunch of boring, repetitive survival levels, a million "My first water level" levels and a few hidden gems. Just as now really, but with added water. As for fake water... Stop caring about what other people think, built and use whatever meets your standards. Yes, yes, that are my toughts exactly... But still... your rating will go down... *SIGH* It's life man... it's life...

2009-12-07 15:55:00 Author: konniksanders Posts: 104

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@kevin2314: Didn't mean to be rude (much ), but I really had a hard time reading that. It really helps if you toss in a period once in a while. If you find yourself thinking too fast again, go ahead, but remember to go back and edit after you're done. It takes a little of your time, but saves all your readers a bunch!

2009-12-07 16:00:00 Author: Rogar Posts: 2284

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thanks rogar lets forget that than I was trying to say as well that we need a group that it's main goal is to promote each other and create with each other. I know thats the purpose of this site, but It's quite like a cloud were we just help whoever we see which isn't bad but I mean like a group thats actually on LBP a debut level of creators that are together from here as well as other places. I hope that was clearer I was also stating that we should overly anticipate the coming of water.

2009-12-07 16:13:00 Author: kevin2314 Posts: 59

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After reading all of this, I am a little confused with how the water tool will work. Will it just flood from the bottom of the level till the height we choose? Or could we have varying puddles in our levels? Like lets say I want to make a house that has a small pool on the ground and one the roof (Just saying mind you ) Would I be able to do that?

2009-12-07 18:39:00 Author: Meta-Armor Posts: 80

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from the official released video id say not,

2009-12-07 21:16:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078

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I'll continue to use fake water for the effects I need because there are limitations if real water. I will be experimenting with water alot though. If the massive audience doesn't like my choice of using fake water they can -insert long string of naughty words here-

2009-12-08 05:19:00 Author: Jaquan1254 Posts: 49

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The world will flood.

2009-12-08 12:37:00 Author: FreeFlyzz Posts: 265

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To ...Someone whose seen / got the water beta could you please answer.. I think i have an idea how water tool will work. What id like to know is if you wanted a small "pond" in a level, can you raise the water say half way or wotever. and just have most the land above the water and use a thin front layer to cover the water from the front view and also to make the pond shallow just use a line of wood/metal or wotever and stick it down to the desired depth so you cant swim any deeper then you desire. So like you flood the whole place and make a U shaped pond/river (as wide as you want) and add a thin front layer to cover the front to hide all the remainding water throught the level aswell and just stick down a floor around it. so you feel thats the only bit of water in the level. Obiovusly you could do this through out the level if you want many ponds/rivers. Thanks in advance

2009-12-08 13:34:00 Author: dirts7970 Posts: 74

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To ...Someone whose seen / got the water beta could you please answer.. The first rule of LittleBigPlanet Beta is: You do not talk about the beta. The second rule of LittleBigPlanet Beta is: You do not talk about the beta. The third rule: When someone says stop, goes limp... Hang on, what? It's best not to ask such questions around here. I'd just say that if you watch the promo video and find the thread discussing the promo video on the site, you should be able to work out the answer

2009-12-08 14:50:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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@ rtm223 (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/member.php?u=4150) So.. you shouldnt talk about the beta.. But you are now stating the rules of the beta.. So.. you are talking about the beta? Devide by zero? *pokes rtm with a small stick that still holds one leaf*

2009-12-08 16:00:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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@ rtm223 (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/member.php?u=4150) So.. you shouldnt talk about the beta.. But you are now stating the rules of the beta.. So.. you are talking about the beta? Devide by zero? *pokes rtm with a small stick that still holds one leaf* No.... he's talking about not talking about the beta. Which is allowed by rules of the beta.... which I'm not allowed to discuss.

2009-12-08 18:56:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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I'd just say that if you watch the promo video and find the thread discussing the promo video on the site, you should be able to work out the answer Lol that might take a while...that was an epic thread. Or two...or four... And most of it was like "OMGOMGOMGOMG WATEEEEEEERRR YESSS!!!"

2009-12-08 19:09:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291

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The water pack will see an explosion of new crappy levels, and then it will die down, rather like the bomb survivals have died down. Wish the bomb survivals had died already.

2009-12-08 20:54:00 Author: Chamion B Posts: 124

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Yeah from the water teaser I had the feeling you could only flood the level. I hope it ends up not being true but I won't give my hopes up.

2009-12-09 01:00:00 Author: Meta-Armor Posts: 80

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I know i already have a water level made and ready to put in the water Look out!

2009-12-09 01:05:00 Author: Dan930930 Posts: 77

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