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| I'm afraid mdaj doesn't get much chance to post much here due to new work commitments, so I'm disappointed and angry to learn off mdaj that two of his levels have been moderated and deleted (Sci-Fi World III and Sci-Fi World EX). According to mdaj himself, the levels were subject to hostile spamming from his 'Hate Club'. I don't like giving this group of people such an indulgent title - I prefer to call them cruel, ignorant *language filters*. mdaj says he's not exactly willing to create any more levels, as he feels that any future levels would be subject to the same abuse. Maybe he feels a bit sensitive at the moment, but I can understand that. This is happening all too often. And, following on from KoRnDawwg's thread a few days ago about egos, it seems that there are organised groups of *language filters* that go about spamming levels with abuse, or offensive pictures, and generally being big pains in the backside. I'm getting to the point where I've had enough of decent people getting upset - this isn't what LBP is about. I'm sure we all know a few of the perpetrators, but I'm not sure what the best course of action is. I agree that comments or PSN messages can be ignored to a certain extent, but the creators have no comeback. The *language filters* post an offensive message or picture, and a level gets moderated. Even in circumstances where they may get banned, they simply create another 5 accounts and start again. I don't know whether an IP ban would be of any greater deterrent, but better penalties seem to be in order for any repeat offenders. Sorry for the long rant. I'm a bit vexed.  | 2009-11-27 21:07:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz  Posts: 1492 |
| WOW. MM Moderated two of the best levels of all time. I don't call that a rant. I could write a five page essay on this, it makes me so mad. I litterally hate MM, and these egos. Maybe MM could actually so something productive and ban the little haters themselves. Here's what I think could be done. After enough infractions, you become banned from commenting or uploading pics, or even banned permanently. | 2009-11-27 21:16:00 Author: Incinerator22  Posts: 3251 |
| Maybe you should post this on LittleBigWorkshop as well. Dangit another one, I think these guys are the ones responsible for Dinosaur's Island and LittleDeadSpace | 2009-11-27 21:36:00 Author: JKthree  Posts: 1125 |
| I had known that the EX level had been moderated for sometime now. But I did not know that Number 3 had been moderated, I really liked the level and appreciated all the hard work that went into it. But now that I remember, wasn't that the level that he posted a picture of himself half naked? Some people are really sensitive to that kind of stuff so it doesn't surprise me that some people would report the level. | 2009-11-27 21:38:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger  Posts: 787 |
| If this is an organized group, and from the sounds of it it must be if they're picking off levels of the calibur they are, MM/Sony really needs to step up their penalties for this kind of terrorism. It's beyond bad behavior when a creators hard work that is perfectly unoffensive get sent to the abyss because those who moderate don't take the time to thoroughly investigate the levels they are deleting AND when a group of these ill bred *language filter* (good idea MrsSpookyBuzz) make it their mission to get these levels sent there...... disgusted would describe my feelings on this. Posting at LBW is fine but I wouldn't expect much from it. Are we at the point where we need to send emails en mass to MM? Not to harass them - I'd never want that - but just to get the red alert signals going? They either don't know it's going on or may not realize how bad it's getting. | 2009-11-27 21:44:00 Author: Morgana25  Posts: 5983 |
| I'm...Horrified. I really, really am... "language filter" doesn't beat the slurs of asterisks that you will probably find from me if I were to go into any more detail about how much I hate these people... | 2009-11-27 21:45:00 Author: KoRnDawwg  Posts: 1424 |
| I'm emailing media molecule, and I'm not stopping until I get an answer. | 2009-11-27 21:49:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251 |
| The sad thing is, mdaj's ps3 broke and he lost his psn password for mdaj. So He cannot get these levels back. I Hope to see something from mdajz_twin (his new account) I wish media molecule didn't completely get rid of these levels, but make them hidden. So when an injustice happens, they can receive an email and analyse it to make sure its ok, and put it online again. | 2009-11-27 21:52:00 Author: KQuinn94Z  Posts: 1758 |
| Are we at the point where we need to send emails en mass to MM? Yes! Let's create a mass petition of a million voices to get MM to stop this! Yes... Someone, quick, organize something :kz: | 2009-11-27 22:04:00 Author: RockSauron  Posts: 10882 |
| The moderation process is poorly done in my opinion, and these levels that are getting moderated for no reason sickens me. I hope these kids who do this get a revelation that IT IS NOT EASY TO MAKE A GOOD LEVEL AND MODERATING IT DUE TO JEALOUSY, ARROGANCE ECT... IS A KICK IN THE *** or else this won't stop, because Mm is certainly doing NOTHING about it. | 2009-11-27 22:05:00 Author: bonner123  Posts: 1487 |
| This is definately getting rediculous, and something needs to be done. I saw several bad language pictures uploaded onto the logic pack. These people need to be punished and have their IPs cut off from using LittleBigPlanet. Someone also turned my Washington Monument in Splat III into a, er, male member - which my 7-year-old son then saw. This is supposed to be a childrens game, and they need to take severe action. It's pure and simple jealousy. | 2009-11-27 22:16:00 Author: CCubbage  Posts: 4430 |
| Maybe you should post this on LittleBigWorkshop as well. Dangit another one, I think these guys are the ones responsible for Dinosaur's Island and LittleDeadSpace I didn't know they'd been moderated? Woah, i'm so far out of the loop :s | 2009-11-27 22:17:00 Author: Asbestos101  Posts: 1114 |
| This is awful news.. I just can't begin to fathom why anyone would want to do this. Especially when there are ton of really questionable non E rated levels out there that should be pulled. Seems there are a ton of those cluck and other such levels out there. Why don't they go after them? I mean... is filth and crappy levels the new norm? Is that what is really cool? I just don't get it. I really wonder though if it is a Sony issue and not Mm. I was thinking Sony was the ones that play moderator for the levels. Just asking as I have no idea, but I thought I saw somewhere that the the PlayStation moderators were the ones that did some of this stuff as well as the automated ones when there are enough Good Griefs. Oh well.. keep us posted if there is anything we can do or sign or maybe just getting a note to mdaj to say we really care about him and hope he fights this thing. | 2009-11-27 22:21:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| This is definately getting rediculous, and something needs to be done. I saw several bad language pictures uploaded onto the logic pack. These people need to be punished and have their IPs cut off from using LittleBigPlanet. Crap I better record those ASAP comphermc asked to get some recorded for him (at least someone recorded all of mdaj's sci-fi levels) I still think someone should post something about this on LBW, I got somewhat of a response from Sam (or was it Spaff) when LittleBigDead Space went bye-bye. And I'm busy doing homework. CC Can't you do something about this? You got them to fix the search engine. The only thing we can do to counteract this is either fill up the pictures with our own pics, or republish it (since we don't really care about hearts or stars) and its just not enough | 2009-11-27 22:23:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| Weeks of work gone in a sec! Someone most stop this!!! How can Mm moderate the best lbp levels? | 2009-11-27 22:33:00 Author: Alec  Posts: 3871 |
| ok - so I'm digging around trying to find an appropriate email to send concerned emails to but the question I have is are the moderators on MM's team or Sony's. I found this thread where it says Sony mods are doing it but I'm not sure. https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=14798&highlight=level+moderation | 2009-11-27 22:42:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
| Well, if anything is to be done, unfortunately it's going to have to be done formally and officially - I don't know whether spamming Mm inboxes is the right approach. It's something to think about, whether it be a petition or a well-constructed email signed by the community. But... I really wonder though if it is a Sony issue and not Mm. jww makes a good point. As far as I understand it, Media Molecule are under contract with Sony for the development of LBP and subsequent DLC and other projects, but the community levels sit on Sony's servers, and it's Sony who are tasked with moderation. I really don't know how much Mm have to do with this aspect. But, considering the high estimation that LBPC is held in by Mm (i.e. the reputation is very high) - the creators, the administration, the Logic Pack, the 'pick the best level', etc - maybe a concerted effort by us is what's needed. I don't know, and I don't want to cause hassle to anyone, but this is spoiling the game for a lot of people. It can't hurt to debate what's best to be done. | 2009-11-27 22:44:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| I agree - I'm not calling for torches and pitchforks. I'm not throwing blame at MM or Sony at this point either. But since it's becoming a larger problem whomever is doing the moderating needs to be told it's affecting the community at large and not in a positive way. I suppose there could be a petition but petitions, no matter how noble the cause, come off as a bit combative and argumentative just by their very nature. Look at all those levels people make as "petitions" to MM and Sony... just not the way to make one's case in a positive light imo. I suppose we could direct Spaff and Tom to this thread - they do actively check their mail here. | 2009-11-27 22:50:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
| I'm going to try and catch Spaff on IM and link him to this thread. I think that Media Molecule are definitely aware that this sort of thing is going on, and are probably working on a few modifications to fix this. Like, only being able to rate a level once etc... The thing is, we need punishments more than anything. I don't think Media Molecule and Sony realise how serious this is for some LittleBigPlanet players. Some creators spend HUNDREDS of hours working on their levels, and I know a few that have been victims of these attacks. This is the reason why a lot of fantastic creators have possibly left LBP for good. I think these *language filter* need ip banning from LBP as Ccubbage said. | 2009-11-27 22:53:00 Author: olit123  Posts: 1341 |
| Well I can't remember correctly. But i stated before about uploading a whole bunch of your own pics on your levels since they go on 1st, Is there a limit to how many of ours stick on there? I never really experimented on this. Like have all of our own pics on there so haters can't upload and then good grief bad pics. Or is it cause they are doing this in the level iteself? Cause it sounds like if nothing has been really done on this and with Leerdammer around the corner, it might be awhile, even if we give them the message on this, before something is done. | 2009-11-27 22:55:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| There's the Grief Relief Team thread for the picture variety of this problem. https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=17390&highlight=Grief+relief The bigger problem is that it's systematic and appears to be targeting high profile levels from more noteable creators. | 2009-11-27 22:57:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
Sorry, Morgana, I must have been writing my previous post before I read yours - I wasn't criticising your methods at all!  But yes, maybe petitions aren't the way forward either. I agree that both Spaff and Tom maybe could help. I did volunteer some time ago to help moderate the community in some way. And I think there are enough mature minds on here that could help in checking levels/comments/pictures. Maybe it could be something that Sony/MM could look in to? All in all, how about Sony/MM checking to see who posted comments/pictures first, and then banning the perpetrator FIRST, before deleting the level. Sounds fair to me. | 2009-11-27 22:58:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| I've just been chatting to one of the modertors for Sony and shown him this thread. He said he'll try and find out if there's any way modded and deleted levels can be brought back, and he said he'll bring this to the attention to the rest of the team. | 2009-11-27 23:01:00 Author: Nuclearfish  Posts: 927 |
| Thats a good start! | 2009-11-27 23:02:00 Author: KQuinn94Z Posts: 1758 |
| It has been explained multiple times how they moderation work. The problem is not Media Molecule's or Sony's moderators but the system. "Good Grief" message are automatically compiled by their database system and when a level reach a certain amount of Good Grief it's taken down and automatically put in a queue. THEN and only THEN a moderator will eventually check the level to see if there's something wrong with it and they are supposed to tell the creator why it has been moderated. If it was really offensive they aren't uploading it back and if it was fuss, they upload it back. In either cases the creator is free to republish regardless, given he still had a copy of his level. SO BLAME THE SYSTEM. ASK FOR REAL MODERATION to complement the self moderating system we have right now. . | 2009-11-27 23:06:00 Author: RangerZero  Posts: 3901 |
| The problem is, along with what RZ has just said, that I could make a perfectly happy, bunny filled, kid friendly fun fest of a level then one person comes along and stickers a giant phalus upon the wall and the level can be good griefed by that person and the guys he is playing with possibly. They can do it over and over again. It would look like I intentionally put it into my level. Moderation needs to be instantly by a human and like someone said earlier in this thread it would be easy just to send us some kind of blacklist which we then look at and give our feedback. | 2009-11-27 23:09:00 Author: adlingtont  Posts: 321 |
| The problem is, along with what RZ has just said, that I could make a perfectly happy, bunny filled, kid friendly fun fest of a level then one person comes along and stickers a giant phalus upon the wall and the level can be good griefed by that person and the guys he is playing with possibly. They can do it over and over again. It would look like I intentionally put it into my level. Moderation needs to be instantly by a human and like someone said earlier in this thread it would be easy just to send us some kind of blacklist which we then look at and give our feedback. And on top of everything, the Goof Grief function is like the worse self moderation tool ever created by mankind. You can't even tell them what you are reporting and you can't even chose what you're reporting. We should be able to put a category like "levels, pictures, words, etc" and to chose what is that we are good griefing like "level, author, comments, etc". . | 2009-11-27 23:13:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901 |
| It has been explained multiple times how they moderation work. The problem is not Media Molecule's or Sony's moderators but the system. You're correct, Ranger, it has been explained multiple times. And it's also been complained about multiple times. I'm asking for help in how to try and change this, with maybe help from the community itself. | 2009-11-27 23:14:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| You're correct, Ranger, it has been explained multiple times. And it's also been complained about multiple times. I'm asking for help in how to try and change this, with maybe help from the community itself. Yes I understand. I was just making the things a bit more clear to people. I don't know what we can do outside going out of our ways to bug MM and Sony with this community's problems. If we aren't vocal and visible, they won't do jazz. It's as simple as that. . | 2009-11-27 23:19:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901 |
| Honestly, this needs to be solved more than anything else. Put water on hold if you must, as creating material only to get harassed into having your hard work destroyed is worse than any other state that may occur. This is something that needs to be taken care of to some degree if this franchise is going to survive, and SOONER rather than LATER. We don't need to find a magic button that gets rid of idiots, but we do need a system where we do not feel like we are at their mercy. | 2009-11-28 02:03:00 Author: Jagrevi  Posts: 1154 |
| Well let's see here. *Stabs eighteen haters* Well there are some dead now very many to go. Anyway I am very very *beep* off at people that are so called haters, flamers, and spammers. Instead of just modding the level, ban the people spamming for a week to make them know that flaming is no joke. This is like a big group of innocent people selling stuff in a flea market and a group of people going around knocking stuff down or saying mean stuff! I am outraged at this. If MM needs more moderators then they should hire some that are trustworthy game players. Very soon, very soon, I will stab all the little haters in the back and kick their faces onto the ground and-*continues for half an hour* Anyway let us do this, and try to destroy the haters themselves and break their lives so they stop hating. Sorry if this is offensive in any way or bad. | 2009-11-28 02:34:00 Author: ktang77  Posts: 592 |
| Wow. I can't believe this. Tell him that I.. and all of us... would love to play his levels, no matter how much spam would come his way. And MM should fix this "level being modded because of bad comments." I did (and suggest you do to) send a little private message to him telling him we all have his support. | 2009-11-28 03:11:00 Author: chezhead  Posts: 1063 |
| Couple things that could help: 1. Make sure there is NO way for a player to post a picture without their user name being attached. 2. Have a way for a level author to remove a picture from their level. 3. Ability to only allow people on your PSN friends list to upload pictures to your level. 4. Ability to report an uploaded picture and the user(s) involved. Anything that is obscene would result in the IP address/PSN user being banned from the LBP server. I'm sure there could be other things that would help, but cracking down on a few players who are abusive would prevent all of this from getting completely out of control. I've seen enough vulgar uploaded pictures to where I'm frankly afraid to let my child play the game anymore without parental supervision.... which means they may need to change the rating of the game.... but as mentioned above, punishing the innocent creators is not the answer. | 2009-11-28 03:33:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Ive got nothing constructive to add about the flawed moderation system. All I want to say is im terribly sorry mdaj for all that hard work that was wrongfuly moderated. They were a huge part of one of the most inspirational series on LBP. | 2009-11-28 03:38:00 Author: SteveBigGuns  Posts: 423 |
| Couple things that could help: 1. Make sure there is NO way for a player to post a picture without their user name being attached. 2. Have a way for a level author to remove a picture from their level. 3. Ability to only allow people on your PSN friends list to upload pictures to your level. 4. Ability to report an uploaded picture and the user(s) involved. Anything that is obscene would result in the IP address/PSN user being banned from the LBP server. I'm sure there could be other things that would help, but cracking down on a few players who are abusive would prevent all of this from getting completely out of control. I've seen enough vulgar uploaded pictures to where I'm frankly afraid to let my child play the game anymore without parental supervision.... which means they may need to change the rating of the game.... but as mentioned above, punishing the innocent creators is not the answer. Yeah... great thoughts. I like this. The only issue is the creator still has to keep a close eye on any bad stuff, though if your #3 was implemented, it should be quite a bit safer. I had a thought... What if the auto moderated level ended up in the Playstation network forum under your user name? (sorta like under your PSN account info outside of the public eye) Any action or results could take place there in your private account as well as any moderator info and the ability to have a discussion about the level and plead your case so to speak. If they see like in this case nothing wrong with the level, they simply kick it back and it returns to the same spot. The moderators could then go after the ones that report that and lock their account until they go and visit their area on the forum. If it was a bad level.. then you lose and you get a strike on your account... 3 strikes and you are out. This would probably too time intensive to implement, but it might make some folks act much differently once they got hauled into "court"  | 2009-11-28 03:48:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Well let's see here. *Stabs eighteen haters* Well there are some dead now very many to go. Anyway I am very very *beep* off at people that are so called haters, flamers, and spammers. Instead of just modding the level, ban the people spamming for a week to make them know that flaming is no joke. This is like a big group of innocent people selling stuff in a flea market and a group of people going around knocking stuff down or saying mean stuff! I am outraged at this. If MM needs more moderators then they should hire some that are trustworthy game players. Very soon, very soon, I will stab all the little haters in the back and kick their faces onto the ground and-*continues for half an hour* Anyway let us do this, and try to destroy the haters themselves and break their lives so they stop hating. Sorry if this is offensive in any way or bad. That was a bit much, but I first think everyone should find out who these "haters" are, you can't go to war without knowing who you're going to fight. Does anyone have any names that actually lead to who these haters are? While I am surprised that the EX level got moderated I'm not really shocked that the third level in the series got moderated. It did afterall have a picture of the author shirtless, in my opinion that kind of stuff does not belong in the game, if I were a parent I wouldn't want my child exposed to that kind of stuff. That said, I really feel they should improve the whole process of moderating. From the day the game launched it was obvious the system was terrible, many of you witnessed alot of great levels being deleted without any reason. Now, the system isn't as bad, but it still isn't perfect. Hopefully this thread will bring some attention to MM and finally improve the whole process. | 2009-11-28 05:36:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| auch that's sad to hear Sony/MM REALLY needs to fix this system! I've seen several good creators leaving LBP lately for this kind of childish behaviour I wondering how they handle this kind of stuff on their own story levels?! A simple option to delete pics (like you can delete comments) would solve A LOT of problems! cheers, misty | 2009-11-28 11:34:00 Author: Mother-Misty  Posts: 574 |
| poor sweet mdaj. These "language filter""Language filter""language filter" really need to sort their "language filter" lives out, if they have nothing better to do on lbp than weigh down good creators then i feel sorry for them, I feel sorry for the haters, are their lives so bad that they have to make other people feel worse? What if, instead of banning the players, we do a similar infractions system here, 1 infraction, Silence, 2 infractions 1 week ban, 3 infractions 1 month ban, 5 infractions, DLC info deleted and a permanent ban off LBP online. a real simple way for the entire thing to be sorted, is have a queue of pictures that the author have the level has to approve before they go up, and any obscene pictures, can be sent to a "Mod" and then the uploader could get a real warning, if it happens on 2 separate occasions, a infraction is added... what do you guys think? KernelM  | 2009-11-28 12:11:00 Author: Kern  Posts: 5078 |
| Good point KernelM. I said this months ago in a similar thread. It must be so easy for them to give us the option to simply delete offensive /unwanted photos. If you remember my Sheriff Sack level got moderated too. It just disappeared with no warning and I never was told why. I did get a reply from Spaff after I PM'd him saying that Mm have nothing to do with it as it's all down to Sony. As I said at the time they should tell you the problem first and give you a chance to do something about it. Just automatically deleting the level is totally wrong. | 2009-11-28 14:24:00 Author: mistervista  Posts: 2210 |
I agree with you all! Of of the koolest levels in LBP Sticker Shop 3 was moderated because someone put a pic up of them havin *launguage filters* with a sackgirl. These kinds of acts are horrid and now one of the best creators of all time! I remember someone oh griefed my level because they said quote "The level was too sukish. Looks like you need to get back to the create mode" and "Your level was ok but I dont understand it so i'm saving the people the trouble" So it got moderated!  I hate these kind of people. | 2009-11-28 14:35:00 Author: acdramon  Posts: 332 |
| I am so happy that Leerdammer is out Monday but, and it is a BIG BUT: We need to be able to delete/report pictures as well as comments. How can we report pictures? Here is my idea: The person who uploads the photo should take responsibility for their actions. Their name should be under the picture even if they are not in it so you know who it is as well. What do you think? | 2009-11-28 15:40:00 Author: Jedi_1993  Posts: 1518 |
| I am so happy that Leerdammer is out Monday but, and it is a BIG BUT: We need to be able to delete/report pictures as well as comments. How can we report pictures? Here is my idea: The person who uploads the photo should take responsibility for their actions. Their name should be under the picture even if they are not in it so you know who it is as well. What do you think? Yeah this is defo what we need... I had a pretty bad hater for a while but could never find who it was cos they never were in the pictures they uploaded. | 2009-11-28 16:42:00 Author: ladylyn1  Posts: 836 |
| When the creator of a level puts their picture on it, doesn't that just cancel out anyone else putting theirs? I love seeing other people enjoying my level and little funny tidbits, but it's better to lose that then have random haters, jealous of his awesome. | 2009-11-28 17:05:00 Author: chezhead Posts: 1063 |
| i think there should be few new options 1. The ability to delete pictures 2.The ability to stop everyone but the author posting pictures 3.The ability for an author to ban certain players/consoles from being able to play their levels, posting pictures/comments. 4.Player names should be under every pick the upload even if they aren't in it. | 2009-11-28 17:07:00 Author: Chuk_Chuk Posts: 108 |
| When the creator of a level puts their picture on it, doesn't that just cancel out anyone else putting theirs? I love seeing other people enjoying my level and little funny tidbits, but it's better to lose that then have random haters, jealous of his awesome. Yes maybe but unfortunately you can only upload 100 of your own photos. After that previous ones disappear. Almost all my uploaded photos on my old levels have gone completely. Therefore if you have anywhere near the maximum 20 levels published it's impossible to get rid of unwanted photos if they've been spammed all over your levels. That's why the moderating system needs a major overhaul. Because ultimately the creator of the level has little or no control over uploaded photos. Until we do the situation can only get worse. | 2009-11-28 17:28:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210 |
| I think that, if you put someone on ignore, then that should keep the person from playing your level. | 2009-11-28 17:53:00 Author: Art_of_Tyler Posts: 32 |
| They reeeeeaally need to do something about this. Its just obscene. | 2009-11-28 19:08:00 Author: chimpskylark  Posts: 335 |
You know what would be funny? Find the empty spot where the sci-fi worlds used to be, and report it  | 2009-11-28 19:50:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251 |
| Let's hope someone hears this then. So... - author in some kind of control over the pictures that are posted, with an option to delete them? - Sony/Mm to introduce Grief Checkers, who check the levels/photos/comments and report back with what needs doing - identify and penalise players who continuously break the rules I'm in. | 2009-11-28 21:51:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| Let's hope someone hears this then. So... - author in some kind of control over the pictures that are posted, with an option to delete them? - Sony/Mm to introduce Grief Checkers, who check the levels/photos/comments and report back with what needs doing - identify and penalise players who continuously break the rules I'm in. This^ I loved how simple you put, seems like very easy things to implement, unlike how others said it. These three things could help so much and would make many happy. | 2009-11-28 22:35:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| Well said, Jagrevi. You'd think that MM would be more aware of what's happening, or if they are aware, that they would be more proactive at coming to a resolution. Yes, there may millions of levels to moderate, but there has to be a better implementation of moderation than what is currently in use. | 2009-11-28 23:14:00 Author: Hibbsi  Posts: 203 |
| Before any more levels get undeservedly moderated, let's take stock of what we remember... - Dinosaur Island 1 and LittleDeadSpace? Why were these moderated? Anyone shed any light? - A depiction of a penis posted on CuzFeeshe's Splat III level? Which led to his 7-year-old son seeing it? This is not acceptable. One of the best things about LBP is that fathers/mothers play it with their children. None of us are prudes here, but how is it that a level can be moderated outside of the creator's control? - I seem to remember Morgana's Chroma 5 having issues with posted pictures, but this was semi resolved, no? Or was it that members here posted pictures over the offensive ones? Doing that lowered the risk of moderation, but come on, can we do this for every level? - Any other examples would be appreciated. | 2009-11-28 23:38:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| Couple things that could help: 1. Make sure there is NO way for a player to post a picture without their user name being attached. 2. Have a way for a level author to remove a picture from their level. 3. Ability to only allow people on your PSN friends list to upload pictures to your level. Three excellent suggestions. I don't see how these would be too hard to implement, and should solve the problem. I agree this should be a priority! As for the fourth suggestion Ccubbage had of ability to report images, I'm a little worried that would just bring in more problems of people reporting perfectly innocent pictures and random PSN accounts getting banned. But the 3 suggestions there seem pretty sound to me. I don't even really see the purpose of letting random people upload pictures - it makes a lot more sense to have an option - or even enforce - for only friends to upload pictures. Anyways, thanks Nuclearfish for getting the word out, and hopefully something will be done about it. | 2009-11-29 00:05:00 Author: hilightnotes  Posts: 1230 |
| First of all, I'd like to extend my condolences to all, especially the artist mdaj, who have been assaulted by these people. If I were deciding the feature to implement that would help the most to extinguish this scourge, it would be the ability to delete pictures. Simply put, it'd be the most convenient and effective way to get rid of any unsightly pictures. I'd say more, but it doesn't work for this thread. I'll slap it onto my blog, perhaps. | 2009-11-29 01:12:00 Author: SLS10  Posts: 1129 |
| Three excellent suggestions. I don't see how these would be too hard to implement, and should solve the problem. I agree this should be a priority! As for the fourth suggestion Ccubbage had of ability to report images, I'm a little worried that would just bring in more problems of people reporting perfectly innocent pictures and random PSN accounts getting banned. But the 3 suggestions there seem pretty sound to me. I don't even really see the purpose of letting random people upload pictures - it makes a lot more sense to have an option - or even enforce - for only friends to upload pictures. Anyways, thanks Nuclearfish for getting the word out, and hopefully something will be done about it. Actually, my #4 suggestion was meant to report the PSN that was used to upload the picture. So, more in line with Mrsspookybuz - hold people accountable. I don't think reporting a picture should get a level moderated - I think it should automatically remove the picture immediately and report the players who uploaded it. ACTUALLY.... that's not a bad idea - a way to moderate the uploaded picture, NOT the level.... that way anyone could immediately get a picture removed off a level without having the level itself suffer. And Mrsspookybuz - another example - someone used stickers to spell the "S" word and uploaded it into the LogicPack intro.... and my son saw that also.... | 2009-11-29 01:41:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| I really do not see how people, especially developers, can have such limited foresight. When you have a system that automatically DESTROYS (Hyperbole) levels based on the amount of reports sent by ANYONE, there is GOING to be abuse of it. I mean, it pains me to say it, but it was extremely STUPID of whoever developed the system. As I say, it pains me to use that word to describe what is most likely an MM employee, but I cannot sugar-coat it. There's no other way of describing a person that designs a system like that. It's like Sky-Net, except 10x more abusable. Seriously. In any case, while you all have marvelous suggestion regarding the pictures, I must say the one that would most fix the problem is that of ACTUAL HUMAN MODERATORS, like "Grief Checkers" (Whoever mentioned it, I was skimming through posts...) because in the end while the pictures are merely bothersome, they can't be checked by the system, and therefore are merely disturbing. Not to say it is not a problem. IN the end, they're just the foretellers of death, while Good Grief is the executioner. | 2009-11-29 01:41:00 Author: Astrosimi  Posts: 2046 |
| I really do not see how people, especially developers, can have such limited foresight. When you have a system that automatically DESTROYS (Hyperbole) levels based on the amount of reports sent by ANYONE, there is GOING to be abuse of it. I mean, it pains me to say it, but it was extremely STUPID of whoever developed the system. As I say, it pains me to use that word to describe what is most likely an MM employee, but I cannot sugar-coat it. There's no other way of describing a person that designs a system like that. It's like Sky-Net, except 10x more abusable. Seriously. In any case, while you all have marvelous suggestion regarding the pictures, I must say the one that would most fix the problem is that of ACTUAL HUMAN MODERATORS, like "Grief Checkers" (Whoever mentioned it, I was skimming through posts...) because in the end while the pictures are merely bothersome, they can't be checked by the system, and therefore are merely disturbing. Not to say it is not a problem. IN the end, they're just the foretellers of death, while Good Grief is the executioner. Keep in mind, LittleBigPlanet is really uncharted territory in a way - a game with an "everyone" rating which allows anyone to create and upload levels - lots and lots and lots of them. Having individuals moderate levels when they see an issue is the only way they can keep the "everyone" rating since they can't possibly moderate the entire LBP on their own. But, there definately needs to be order and punishment for those that abuse the system. | 2009-11-29 01:45:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| But, there definately needs to be order and punishment for those that abuse the system. Or at least some way to prevent abuse of it in the first place... | 2009-11-29 02:00:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046 |
| The photo on my level was overwritten by the Grief Relief Team before any formal moderation took place. | 2009-11-29 03:10:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
| I agree with everyone here. We really need to be able to delete pictures that were uploaded onto our levels. My condolences to everyone who lost their levels to moderation. People in the LBP community can be such ***hats. | 2009-11-29 03:28:00 Author: iGotFancyPants  Posts: 1355 |
| I really do not see how people, especially developers, can have such limited foresight. When you have a system that automatically DESTROYS (Hyperbole) levels based on the amount of reports sent by ANYONE, there is GOING to be abuse of it. I mean, it pains me to say it, but it was extremely STUPID of whoever developed the system. As I say, it pains me to use that word to describe what is most likely an MM employee, but I cannot sugar-coat it. There's no other way of describing a person that designs a system like that. It's like Sky-Net, except 10x more abusable. Seriously. LittleBigPlanet is a very unique game. I mean, I honestly never something like that in all my life and believe me I played THOUSANDS of games in the 25 last years. This game is like the most amazing and interesting achievement of this generation of gaming yet it is a game that in part is SO BADLY DESIGNED it's unbelievable. I swear, they are beating a record here I am sure. The planet menu is awkward and totally not made to receive this much stuff at once, the promotion of people's stuff is totally lacking (looks like they never seen a community website like Youtube or something) and lastly and most importantly, the moderation is bull. How could they not see it as totally flawed from the first conception steps? I'm flabergasted to this very day: To think you can't even specify WHAT IS THAT YOU REPORT. Wow. Let's laugh here to conclude the subject. I don't want to insult anybody. . | 2009-11-29 03:34:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901 |
| Actually, my #4 suggestion was meant to report the PSN that was used to upload the picture. So, more in line with Mrsspookybuz - hold people accountable. I don't think reporting a picture should get a level moderated - I think it should automatically remove the picture immediately and report the players who uploaded it. Sorry, I guess I wasn't very clear. What I meant was that if people could report the PSN used to upload a picture, then instead of a problem with levels being moderated unfairly, you might end up with people's accounts being suspended unfairly. Just imagine if a group of people started griefing PSN names that uploaded perfectly good pictures. Anyways, so yeah I still think #4 is unnecessary, especially since your #1-3 points as far as I can tell would fix everything! | 2009-11-29 03:41:00 Author: hilightnotes Posts: 1230 |
| Sounds like what happened the Azure Palace back in the day. Sucks that there are tools running around abusing the system after all this time. The thing is Mm isn't the one pressing the moderation button. | 2009-11-29 04:26:00 Author: gevurah22  Posts: 1476 |
| The thing is that nobody is. Just a server hidden deep within Sony's evil lair of torture | 2009-11-29 04:31:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046 |
| The LittleBigPlanet servers are moderated by a team that get paid (by Sony - Media Molecule has nothing to do with moderating user-made content) to do just that - moderate user-made content. The problem, I think, is that this "team" has not been effectively educated in how LittleBigPlanet works, and are instead acting on a "zero tolerance" policy in order to make sure that nothing goes under their radar. The problem I see with this approach is that you can easily end up alienating your biggest fans by simply removing a level from the servers based on false "proof" of offensive content. Knowing how rigid Sony is, I don't believe changing the policy the moderation team works from is an option, so instead I suggest changing the way the Good Grief! system works by automatically making any player-added content (stickers and decorations) invisible until the Good Grief! window is closed. I'm not sure there's a way Mm could get the code to discern between user-placed stickers/decorations and ones that are in the level by default, but if it's possible, I think it could really cut down on the amount of unfair deletions of levels. I'll send my thoughts along to Mm and see what they think, but I don't have any real influence with them aside from trying to get them to agree with me. I'll try talk to them about this, but I'm not promising results. | 2009-11-29 05:04:00 Author: ConfusedCartman  Posts: 3729 |
| That's an interesting idea. It wouldn't solve the problem of people uploading inappropriate images to the levels, but at least it would hopefully stop levels being moderated for no apparent reason. ... Unless the moderator team looks at uploaded pictures (although I doubt they do because that would take way too long). | 2009-11-29 05:19:00 Author: hilightnotes Posts: 1230 |
| That's an interesting idea. It wouldn't solve the problem of people uploading inappropriate images to the levels, but at least it would hopefully stop levels being moderated for no apparent reason. ... Unless the moderator team looks at uploaded pictures (although I doubt they do because that would take way too long). I actually don't believe they do. If they do, I would hope that the solution is not to remove the level, but to remove that specific screenshot. I'll talk to Mm in more depth and see what I can learn about the process. | 2009-11-29 05:25:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| i got my mdaj logon bak!!!!!!!!! dont ask how... LOL! and no... i didnt hire some genius hacker guy or some computor wizz... it was really stoopid how i figured it out and ill feel like a complete moron if i tell everyone how i got it back... LOOOOL! =P im gonna republish my levels as soon as i get done with the intro... and if anyone ever has issues with these "hater" guyz... i know how to fix ur level and get rid of the mod. but dont ask just because ur curious!!!!! ill help u if u really need it.... i know a lil trik to delete ridiculous mods. =) thanx for ur support every 1!!!! and thanx especially miss buz!!!!!!!!!!!!! =D | 2009-11-29 06:47:00 Author: mdaj  Posts: 119 |
| well.... i got through the intro... and finally got to mess with create mode... but my moded levels are completely deleted.... they dont exist anymore. i was excited... but now im a little depressed. =( sci-fi 3 and sci-fi ex are gone forever. ohhh well. but at least i got my half finished new level back... ill publish it as soon as i get finished.... and i hope this new level doesnt get moderated...LOL! =P | 2009-11-29 07:14:00 Author: mdaj Posts: 119 |
| They always delete the level and give no explaination in my experience with all the moderated levels ive had to date. Maybe they could lock it until the moderated aspect is altered or removed as a lot of people rely on their server based level save. | 2009-11-29 12:50:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| Definately.... the idea of "deleting" a level is terrible to me.... a level should be made "invisible" until it's been properly investigated - then, it should be reinstated with hearts and plays once they have determined whether there's an issue or not. | 2009-11-29 13:05:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| The simple solution would be to have an option on levels to deny placing stickers and decorations by players unless they are used by a sticker switch. This option should be on by default. | 2009-11-29 13:25:00 Author: Gilgamesh  Posts: 2536 |
| The simple solution would be to have an option on levels to deny placing stickers and decorations by players unless they are used by a sticker switch. This option should be on by default. Well, there are a lot of people who wouldn't like this. I know some players like to make little designs and take photos for the creator (in a positive light). Rather, there should be an option when the level is published to allow new stickers to be placed. (While they're at it, set a maximum/minimum number of players option) | 2009-11-29 13:47:00 Author: comphermc  Posts: 5338 |
| Well, there are a lot of people who wouldn't like this. I know some players like to make little designs and take photos for the creator (in a positive light). Rather, there should be an option when the level is published to allow new stickers to be placed. (While they're at it, set a maximum/minimum number of players option) There's always a trade-off between flexibility and security..... any time you allow people freedom you chance others abusing it. Then that results in having to take freedoms away. That's really what this thread comes down to - should someone be punished for the actions of someone else? To me, people having the ability to upload pictures is like allowing graffiti on a bridge.... someone is BOUND to paint something offensive on it. Do you punish the city by destroying the bridge, or do you punish the person who painted the offensive graffiti? If a level can get moderated because of offensive graffiti, then that "freedom" will need to be taken away. If they can't figure out a way to punish the person who uploaded the offensive material, then the freedom of uploading pictures will need to be removed. | 2009-11-29 14:11:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Definately.... the idea of "deleting" a level is terrible to me.... a level should be made "invisible" until it's been properly investigated - then, it should be reinstated with hearts and plays once they have determined whether there's an issue or not. i think usually when a level gets moderated it does goes invisible, accessible only to the original creator, and does not get deleted. i had this happenen to me a few times before i lost my log-on and it is easily corrected while keeping ALL my hearts and plays and comments. but since im using my log-on on a different ps3... my moon data, my moderated level data, and my character data(ie. costumes, story competion, and pix) is no longer accessable. really sux!!! ahhhhh! i dont know why itz made this way... guess itz another flaw in the "system"??? grrrrr! but DEFINATELY i can fix my moderated levels if my original ps3 didnt craaaash!!! i heard the dino level and deep space level were moderated??????????? hhmmmmmm.... i didnt know about this and i dont remember the creators names, but if anyone can give me their logon names, i can message them to teach them how to fix it!!!! i loved these levels and itz a freekin shame they got moderated. ill work with these creators to try to get these levels back to the lbp community if i can! i just hope they didnt get frustrated and completely delete these levels from their profile out of anger. | 2009-11-29 16:41:00 Author: mdaj Posts: 119 |
| Well I don't think anyone has heard from FeistyFrog (Dino's Island) for a long time, DarknessBear (littleDeadSpace) posted a message when his disappeared, but i think that was the last we heard from him. | 2009-11-29 16:46:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| I just checked the cool levels a few hours ago and found that FeistyFrog has just published dino island again. It should be somewhere in the top 5 pages at the moment. Im not at home right now so I cant check. | 2009-11-29 16:53:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| I agree with CCubbage here. Let's not forget that we also have to work with what we have. There's no way MM and Sony will redo a part of the game and change their system as much as many solutions in this thread would ask for. It all comes down to some simpler and doable solutions that are attacking the problem at heart like: -Only the creator of the level should upload pictures. -Level moderated should be put into a "locked" mode that is the same as when we lock a level except it's only the moderation that can unlock it. Just those 2 little changes, perfectly doable with mininal effort would solve the main problems we have right away. People would still be free to paste a picture of their crotch in your level if they wish to but they wouldn't be able to upload it for everybody to see. Spammer problem = gone. Levels would again go into moderation queue but would be with that special lock and not deleted. This way, nobody except the creator can play the level while its moderated. Also, there no useless tears before unjustly moderated levels aren't lost. Lastly, it would still be possible to spam a level of Good Griefs, the motivation for haters would diminish because they would no the level will not be erased and will come back soon. Sony and Media Molecule are extremely short-sighted with all this because my 2 simple solutions would also diminish their work load and therefore saving them money. Reality is that I am sure that most moderations doesn't come from people making penis levels or uploading copyrighted images. It mostly comes from pictures and spammers. . | 2009-11-29 16:54:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901 |
| Well I don't think anyone has heard from FeistyFrog (Dino's Island) for a long time, DarknessBear (littleDeadSpace) posted a message when his disappeared, but i think that was the last we heard from him. hhmmmm.... what a shame.... maybe they quit cuz their precious levels got messed-with??? itz really heartbreaking when u work so hard for something just to have nasty people mess with it. ahhhhh, so sad. ='( ill message them next time im online on my ps3... probably monday afternoon. i hope they didnt quit. but if anyone1 else has an issue or knows some1 with an issue with wrongfull moderation... i can help. or at least try some tricks to fix it. the lbp community can be soooo depressing sometimes.... so much hate and heartache. =( | 2009-11-29 16:56:00 Author: mdaj Posts: 119 |
| I just checked the cool levels a few hours ago and found that FeistyFrog has just published dino island again. It should be somewhere in the top 5 pages at the moment. Im not at home right now so I cant check. Really? He hasn't played the game in so long! Good to see another great creator return to LBP. | 2009-11-29 17:10:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| I hope the ******** PS3s blow up, and they have to go to hospital for 3rd degree burns. Ok, I wouldn't wish that on someone, but they deserve it. | 2009-11-29 19:57:00 Author: SPONGMONKEY56  Posts: 209 |
| Perhaps that's going a little too far. | 2009-11-29 19:58:00 Author: SPONGMONKEY56 Posts: 209 |
| Yeah agree simply have only creators can upload immages.Or have that as an option. Easy and in addition asny problem with spammers would be long gone. Since you can delete theie comments | 2009-11-29 21:16:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| Yeah, this is really getting out of hand. And I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but the creator could have to approve the pictures. I guess it may get annoying if your level was on cool levels and you got hundreds of pics, although there could be a 'Disapprove All' button. But if that doesn't work we could definitly go to RangerZero's "only the author can upload pics" idea. I just think the community should be able to at least have an opportunity to show themselves. By the way, mdaj, you made me feel really depressed with that post! | 2009-11-29 21:27:00 Author: piggabling  Posts: 2979 |
Great  my Unofficial Sackboy Costumes and Axel F were just moderated. I spent well over 200 hours making the costumes level. I couldnt even save the costumes level to my moon as it used more memory that the profile provided. I have a backup saved to the servers but cant copy it to my moon as it says something is moderated resulting in an error message. This has to stop. The moderation system is useless. Every successful level will eventually be moderated as it is. | 2009-11-29 23:02:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| your costumes might have something to do with copyright? it happens to alot of unofficial costume levels. can you good grief on quickplay levels? that would just be annoying if your unpublished level got modded | 2009-11-29 23:05:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Its been there for one year. Its due to jealous haters good griefing. It has the exact same assets as in the deleted version. oh wait! Ha its finally copied to my moon. Ill try to publish it locked. Now a trophy level is the most hearted. That sums the community up now perfectly. h4h trophy w****s. | 2009-11-29 23:16:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| Sorry to hear they are targeting your work now Steve. There has to be a way to see if the same guys are griefing these levels. There's just too dang many of them now not to admit it's a coordinated effort from a few individuals trying to take down the good stuff on the highest rated pages. | 2009-11-29 23:22:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
| Thanks Morgana. I feel that the Bunker is going to be next. Maybe the tutorial levels by logicPack could get moderated as they have created a lot of jealousy amoung the community. Some people are just plain bad. How can they live with themselves after ruining something which took so much time and effort to create for the community. | 2009-11-29 23:34:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| I think these guys are trying to take down as many good levels before Leerdammer comes (so they can't back them up) I also think that for the most hearted levels, they just had a # of good griefs that slowly built up over time (since they were also some of the oldest). But now that Axel F and Sci-Fi worlds have gone....its definetly now organized. I think its best for everyone to backup your levels ASAP. Who knows what else might go within the next 24 hours... SBG, maybe you could post on that one old topic i left on LBW proving whats going on, I left that link on that thread you made here when LittleDeadSpace got moderated. I can't right now i gotta head to work Oh and if this would cheer you up SBG, I did get Axel F recorded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9uYQVq0Ohk | 2009-11-29 23:38:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| Great my Unofficial Sackboy Costumes and Axel F were just moderated. I spent well over 200 hours making the costumes level. I couldnt even save the costumes level to my moon as it used more memory that the profile provided. I have a backup saved to the servers but cant copy it to my moon as it says something is moderated resulting in an error message. This has to stop. The moderation system is useless. Every successful level will eventually be moderated as it is. It is as how I had predicted months ago when you created the thread announcing the Dead Space level had just been moderated. It wasn't a question whether or not your Costumes level was going to be moderated but when. I think you should have locked the level when you had the chance, it was only obvious yours was next in line. When a level has so much attention as yours and the others did, they will unfortunately be more likely to be moderated, sorry for your loss. | 2009-11-29 23:38:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| Yes SBG I agree it's an horrendous situation but unfortunately those ******* are going to carry on doing it just because 'they can'. You can't talk sense to people like that and expect any kind of normal response. It's up to Sony to make the changes necessary to the system and quickly. Unfortunately they don't seem the slightest bit interested because I appealed to them and Mm on this very subject many months ago and they haven't done a single thing about it even though it would be extremely easy. Remember we're talking about SONY here. They need 2/3 years of complaints from consumers before they even start to listen, then another couple of years to think about it. then another couple of years to work out if doing anything about the problem is actually going to make them lots of money. If the answer to that last one is NO then I'm afraid we can complain until we're blue in the face because it won't make a scrap of difference. | 2009-11-29 23:45:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210 |
| I just managed to publish another locked copy. Now it has 0 hearts. I was so happy earlier too when I finally reached 50,000 author hearts. Now im just disapointed. | 2009-11-29 23:59:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| This is truly depressing. But we must carry on, we must be fearless against their oppression, and we must take precautions, because if we do not, they will win. And we don't want that. We fall, brush ourselves off, and we keep gunning on. We need to contact someone with INFLUENCE regarding this topic.... CC is already on it but we require more backup, I'm afraid. We need a full, outright campaign. Because Sony and MM have to realize that if this goes on, they are essentially grabbing their hard earner money and shoving it in the incinerator. But regret nothing. Ever. Know you earned those hearts. The fact that they were taken away from you, unjustly, is nothing. You, SBG, had the most hearted level in LBP. Know that. Not just you, all of you that have been affected. | 2009-11-30 01:08:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046 |
| Well since Leerdammer is not out I guess we won't have to worry about losing the level if it gets moderated. We just got to promote backing up levels | 2009-11-30 04:36:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| By the increase in these moderations, it sounds like some of the people causing problems are getting more brazen. There has been what seems to be a HUGE increase of inappropriate uploaded pictures and moderated high-profile levels. They've probably decided that MM and Sony aren't going to punish them, and wil simply moderate levels without any investigation. We probably need to smack MM in the head with all this and show them what's happening. It's really getting out of control. They probably NEED to remove the ability for people besides the creator to upload pictures quickly and punish those who maliciously good grief. | 2009-11-30 04:39:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| You know this is awfully strange, so I was checking out all the things with Leerdammer, and a couple of my levels had some old hate photos on them, well when i checked them they were gone ("This level sucks", that sort of bit) Now those levels had very few photos on them (like between 4-7) and there were no new pics, so they weren't knocked off. Could MM/Sony have actually done something about the offensive pictures problem? | 2009-11-30 06:25:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| I hope you guys realize Media Molecule takes no part in moderating levels. In fact, they play many franchise-based levels (like Mario themed ones) themselves. Sony, if not a hired third company, handles all of the moderation issues. Feel free to complain to Mm, I'm sure they'll spread the word to Sony, but do keep in mind they already have their hands full with the game itself, improving and adding things. Just sayin'. | 2009-11-30 07:48:00 Author: aer0blue  Posts: 1603 |
| I hope you guys realize Media Molecule takes no part in moderating levels. In fact, they play many franchise-based levels (like Mario themed ones) themselves. Sony, if not a hired third company, handles all of the moderation issues. Feel free to complain to Mm, I'm sure they'll spread the word to Sony, but do keep in mind they already have their hands full with the game itself, improving and adding things. Just sayin'. Definately, but MM could certainly remove the "upload pictures" feature, which is able to bypass their word censoring and allow lewd and foul language images to be uploaded. A level should never be moderated because of something the creator has no control over.... and an "everyone" rated game should not be at the mercy of the general public who have no respect for the game rating system. | 2009-11-30 13:27:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| I've passed this on to the powers that be, along with some other comments and emails and bits 'n bobs. Hopefully we can review the moderation system and see what can be done about stuff like this. it's a bit of a nightmare eh? | 2009-11-30 14:07:00 Author: Spaff_Molecule Posts: 421 |
| On that note...How are levels moderated...? I've heard about the 20 Good Grief complaints and that the level is automatically removed when it hits this, or something along those lines...But, not much else 0__0' | 2009-11-30 14:18:00 Author: KoRnDawwg Posts: 1424 |
| Thanks Spaff for taking action on this terrible situation caused by these haters that seem to be determined to ruin the game for others. Im locking my Mario PS3 at the moment as the icon has just been moderated. Obviously all my levels are being attacked by a group that has nothing better to do than ruin everything I worked hard to acvhive. Im publishing a new level today but feel that its only to get moderated anyway. Its only a quickly made survival challenge but I dont want to have to keep publish new. | 2009-11-30 14:22:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| Thanks Spaff for taking action on this terrible situation caused by these haters that seem to be determined to ruin the game for others. Im locking my Mario PS3 at the moment as the icon has just been moderated. Obviously all my levels are being attacked by a group that has nothing better to do than ruin everything I worked hard to acvhive. Im publishing a new level today but feel that its only to get moderated anyway. Its only a quickly made survival challenge but I dont want to have to keep publish new. Darn...... my 7-year-old son's favorite LBP game..... | 2009-11-30 14:31:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| It's a bit of a nightmare eh? Yes, it is, Spaff! And I know it must appear that your LBP Community is sometimes never satisfied, but I think we have a pretty clear case here. I understand and totally accept that you guys at Mm are always listening, and in this particular case it isn't Mm who are involved in the moderation process, but this is not only causing a lot of anguish for a lot of creators, but many players are going to be missing out on a lot of levels that are targeted for unfair moderation. That said, Mm gave the Community lots of tools to build some wonderful creations - so how about just one more for us? Give Creators the power to self-moderate; let us decide what pictures or comments are uploaded to our own creations. I know it sounds simple when put in a couple of sentences - and it's only a suggestion - but if the creator is given responsibility for what is or isn't uploaded onto their levels, then their fate is in their own hands. If any obscenities or offensive material is allowed passed them, they ,and only they, are responsible, and the penalty is a suspension or ban, or in extreme cases, an IP ban. Thanks for listening. | 2009-11-30 20:44:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| I agree with self moderation. I have had some people leave some not nice images on 7 Days. I don't have any children, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't want them to see something like that. Conversely, if I were a parent whose child made levels, like Ccubbage, I wouldn't want to risk someone leaving something obscene on my child's level. I would like the ability to take obscene pictures down, or ... worst case scenario, shut pictures off altogether (i wouldn't use this feature, but this might be good for someone who has a child and doesn't want to risk the child seeing something bad) I actually had to legitimately good grief a level the other day. It was a very vulgar level that ... well, I'm not going to explain it here because this is a family site. Levels like that SHOULD be removed, but there is no reason why mdaj's level should be taken down because of angry griefers out for revenge? or just to have some fun? who knows. mdaj, I'm sorry this has happened to you. At least with Leerdammer, we can back up our levels, but we shouldn't have to back up our levels just in case we are subject to a grief attack . | 2009-11-30 21:11:00 Author: xkappax  Posts: 2569 |
| Ok, now I'm getting scared here. My Starfox music had a yellow exclamation point over it, but then it went back to normal a few minutes later. That has never happened before. I can still play the level. What should I do? Should I lock it? It's on the first page of most hearted levels.... that level is a piece of history to me. I don't want to lose it. | 2009-11-30 22:32:00 Author: TheJollyRajah  Posts: 466 |
| I'd back it up, Rajah. Stopping malicious activity also stops the people who wish to genuinely play your level. | 2009-11-30 22:36:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| Besides backing it up, what I suggest you should do is Lock it but also publish a backup copy, see what happens. Give it some time before unlocking it (maybe a week or so) | 2009-11-30 22:52:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| I dont think pictures are primarily responsible. They usually just get blanked out red. There were no offensive ones on my moderated levels. We need to be informed exactly how the levels are being moderated so we can get a better understanding of a possible prention to all the possible wrongfuly delete ones. | 2009-11-30 23:09:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| The good creators should go on strike and lock all their levels One of the worst things, that no one has mentioned yet, is you can upload playstation eye snapshots too. You can take a pic of anything in the real world, upload it, and your name isn't displayed. | 2009-11-30 23:30:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251 |
| The good creators should go on strike and lock all their levels One of the worst things, that no one has mentioned yet, is you can upload playstation eye snapshots too. You can take a pic of anything in the real world, upload it, and your name isn't displayed. Oh, this is true indeed. Someone could do real bad things with that. Though said perpetrators are probably watching this thread - are you sure it was wise to mention this? | 2009-11-30 23:42:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| The good creators should go on strike and lock all their levels One of the worst things, that no one has mentioned yet, is you can upload playstation eye snapshots too. You can take a pic of anything in the real world, upload it, and your name isn't displayed. Probably because it was OBVIOUS, MrsSpookyBuz already said that a picture of a penis was uploaded on a level. @Rajah, if the exclamation mark was on a yellow sticker then I'd have no worries, I've seen that happen many times before and it just means the level's icon has not loaded yet. | 2009-11-30 23:51:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| @SLS10, you quoted me. lol @Endless_Echo, that's probably right, but a lot of people might make those themselves and take pictures of them, go to a level, and upload them. Yet another thing to complain about. You can upload pictures you've made in create mode. Lock all our levels. Boycott | 2009-12-01 00:01:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251 |
| I don't think this has been mentioned before but that bad Resident Evil level by AlfieAlpha has it's icon moderated, you can still play the level but it's icon is blank. | 2009-12-01 05:31:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| This is definitely a problem, and has been from day 1 really. I think I'd only hurt myself trying to come up with a list of all of the absolutely incredible levels which have been lost forever to a 10 year old's jealousy. Mrs. SpookyBuzz mentioned a self-moderating update, which would be an excellent upgrade as well as a way to help us solve at least part of the problem. A way to delete pictures from levels, the same as we delete comments from our levels, would be excellent. Options to shut off picture uploading would be great as well, making it so that only the author can upload pictures to their levels if they so choose. Stricter punishments would help leaps and bounds as well- One or two griefs without a decent reason = Never griefing again. One especially vulgar comment = Never commenting again. One inappropriate uploaded picture = No more power to upload photos. Just having harsh (fair) punishments like these would do a world of good simply having them out there, as these children would have to think twice before acting childishly- only the worst of the lot would have to be silenced before all of the others would catch on and shape up. There have been truckloads of great level moderation ideas tossed around here and the workshop though, I hope MM is able to get Sony to do something about it. | 2009-12-01 08:56:00 Author: Shredator Posts: 151 |
| Mm needs to maybe spend a few more pesos on people who will actually LOOK at levels which have been reported, rather than have some automatic system guess for them. Uploaded pics are an obvious sign that it has nothing to do with the level or creator itself; hell, I could go to any level and upload horrifying pictures of meat and women and report it. I mean feisty frog's level which had over 600000 plays got modded, and so did Gevurah's level when it had around 800000 plays. I didn't even know about it until he told me, and I was shocked. I say, off with you, you scallywags, you! Go back to playing hello kitty's island adventure! >:[ | 2009-12-02 05:06:00 Author: Voodeedoo  Posts: 724 |
| hhhmmm... i e-mailed m&m at their web-site and i am waiting a reply bak... but for some reason i have a feeling i wont get a reply back... LOL! itz a real shame i lost those levels!!!! now im getting messages on both my old and new account criticizing me for deleting those levels! aaaahhhh!!!! i alwayz reply back that it was due to haters getting my levels moded... but after a while i just stopped. =P it just started to annoy me... i was spending what little time i had replying to messages rather than building my new level. ahhhh well. =( both those levels took me about 2 months each to make... and it really bugs me when i think about some hater messing with all the hard work ive done. grrrrrr!!!! but i hope m&m gets my message!!!! if itz not a "third party" reading those e-mails im sure m&m will help me really soon. | 2009-12-03 02:28:00 Author: mdaj Posts: 119 |
| Mm needs to maybe spend a few more pesos on people who will actually LOOK at levels which have been reported, rather than have some automatic system guess for them. Uploaded pics are an obvious sign that it has nothing to do with the level or creator itself; hell, I could go to any level and upload horrifying pictures of meat and women and report it. I mean feisty frog's level which had over 600000 plays got modded, and so did Gevurah's level when it had around 800000 plays. I didn't even know about it until he told me, and I was shocked. I say, off with you, you scallywags, you! Go back to playing hello kitty's island adventure! >:[ FeistyFrog's level had over 700,000 plays. | 2009-12-03 02:54:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| Hopefully the new massively enhanced profile space mitigates alot of this damage now that it's so easy to back up your level ... but that doesn't make this damageless. Still though - I'd encourage everyone to back up every single level they have now if they haven't already. Maybe if it becomes clear the levels aren't lost some of the motivation for the false good-griefing will be lost? Hopefully? | 2009-12-03 02:58:00 Author: Jagrevi Posts: 1154 |
| I'm not clear on the moderating business. If your level is moderated, do you get to keep it on your moon? Do you get to re-upload it? Can you copy it and upload the copy? Same for backing up? | 2009-12-03 21:01:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I'm not clear on the moderating business. If your level is moderated, do you get to keep it on your moon? Do you get to re-upload it? Can you copy it and upload the copy? Same for backing up? when u get moderated.. ur level goes off-line... but u can access it on ur own planet and on ur moon. u will also get a message from m&m saying fix the mode to republish ur levels online. it does not get deleted from the planet or your moon! but recently i lost my ps3 due to hardware failure and had to buy a new ps3 and finally find my password and logon again... LOL... i alwayz used the "remember your log-on and password" feature so i never worried about remembering that stuff. sucked for meeeee!!! ohh well. but when u use a new ps3 with ur old log-on, your profile is completely erased on that new ps3!!!! all your costumes, downloads, pictures, moon saves, your goody bag, and story completion mode goes back to "noob mode"! the only thing you get to keep are your friends and your name. | 2009-12-04 00:38:00 Author: mdaj Posts: 119 |
| Actually, you can register your new PS3 with your PSN account and re-download the DLC you have already purchased. | 2009-12-04 00:46:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Actually, you can register your new PS3 with your PSN account and re-download the DLC you have already purchased. WHAAAAT!!!! so i wasted all that money for nothin!!!! LOOOL.. i hate online! AHHHHH... im such a NOOOOB! =P how do u register ur new ps3 account thingy??????????? maybe i can get my moded levels back!!!!!!!!!!! aaaaahhhh u gotta tell meeeeee!!!!!! | 2009-12-04 05:41:00 Author: mdaj Posts: 119 |
| Oh when on the store, select view downloads (top right corner, its a tiny icon, just under your username) That will have everything you bought before, just select them and it'll redownload them. when u get moderated.. ur level goes off-line... but u can access it on ur own planet and on ur moon. u will also get a message from m&m saying fix the mode to republish ur levels online. it does not get deleted from the planet or your moon! Wait so couldn't you just copy the moderated level to your moon and republish it as a new level? I heard that works. | 2009-12-04 07:11:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| Oh when on the store, select view downloads (top right corner, its a tiny icon, just under your username) That will have everything you bought before, just select them and it'll redownload them. Wait so couldn't you just copy the moderated level to your moon and republish it as a new level? I heard that works. hhmmmm... i dont know what u are talking about with the top right corner icon... but ill chek it out. no... i posted earlier why i couldnt copy from my moon. i lost my original ps3... it crashed. and then when i got my new ps3 and loged on, everything returns to default... you only keep ur name and all your friends. and also i couldnt access my moderated levels... they appear to be deleted. =( they are now probably only accessable if i log-on with my old ps3... which is impossible cuz it broke... and then i stuck a knife in it out of frustration... LOOOL! | 2009-12-04 10:46:00 Author: mdaj Posts: 119 |
| WHAAAAT!!!! so i wasted all that money for nothin!!!! LOOOL.. i hate online! AHHHHH... im such a NOOOOB! =P how do u register ur new ps3 account thingy??????????? maybe i can get my moded levels back!!!!!!!!!!! aaaaahhhh u gotta tell meeeeee!!!!!! You just login with your email/password. JKthree is right - you go to the "view downloads" icon in the store and you can then re-download everything. My PS3 died and I was able to do this and get everything back. Also, my levels were still on my planet and I could copy them back to the ps3 from the published levels. | 2009-12-04 12:31:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Since this thread was started, I've been informed that our suspicions are well-founded about there being groups or clusters of people targetting popular levels in an effort to get them moderated. I'm not a snitch so I won't divulge the individuals' names, but unfortunately some of these perpetrators are members here on LBPC. I found this very disappointing. | 2009-12-04 15:35:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| I'm not a snitch so I won't divulge the individuals' names, but unfortunately some of these perpetrators are members here on LBPC. I found this very disappointing. WHAT!!?!?!?! Seriously???!! That is shocking to hear... you sure? Sorry to question you, but that is just really awful news. | 2009-12-04 15:43:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Well if it is people from here they should be ashamed of themselves. This site has prided itself on having a great community of people who help each other out. I think I can speak for most people here when I say that these people arn't welcome here. | 2009-12-04 15:47:00 Author: wexfordian  Posts: 1904 |
| I'm not a snitch so I won't divulge the individuals' names, but unfortunately some of these perpetrators are members here on LBPC. I found this very disappointing. Thats awful......... | 2009-12-04 15:50:00 Author: PurpleAddiction  Posts: 119 |
| Well if it is people from here they should be ashamed of themselves. This site has prided itself on having a great community of people who help each other out. I think I can speak for most people here when I say that these people arn't welcome here. Agreed. This should not go without some sort of punishment. I mean, people spend countless days and hours and even weeks to make a level they deem worthy of being published. It is extremely rude to tear down peoples work like this. It can't be tolerated. I agree with Wex in saying these people don't deserve the privilege of being in such a great community. | 2009-12-04 15:51:00 Author: iGotFancyPants Posts: 1355 |
| Well, those people should be reported to Media Molecule with great documentation on them + divulged in public here and lastly, banned from this forum. Someone with the goal of destroying cannot be "normal" and such behavior isn't tolerated in any sphere of society so it shouldn't be tolerated on the internet that's for sure. . | 2009-12-04 16:06:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901 |
| I think MrsSpookyBuzz is doing the right thing by not to publicly name and shame the perpetrators here, simply because no matter how civil the majority of our community is, there are those here, plenty in fact, who love a good witch hunt and it doesn't take much to spark off a richeous vigilante crusade for the "greater good". It's happened before and I'd put money on it happening again. It's ugly and it's just as bad for our community to have that going on, especially when it achieves nothing. On the other hand, reporting to the proper authorities does not make you a snitch, or a tattle-tale (I'm pretty sure those terms don't even apply outside of primary school in fact ). They do need to be reported. | 2009-12-04 16:16:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| I agree with rtm. I don't think a lynch mob to lynch the lynch mob is the best answer.... Although I wouldn't mind if certain people were to suddenly become inactive members | 2009-12-04 16:20:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| And just think, who lynches the lynch-mob lynchers? | 2009-12-04 16:22:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| the lynch mob lynch m... lets just say the mods k? | 2009-12-04 16:24:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Are you serious? HIS levels got removed because of nasty spamming of pics and comments on the level? That makes me seriously furious. When I read the thread title I thought maybe he put something nasty in the level itself. This pi------ me off big time if it's true. | 2009-12-04 16:28:00 Author: BasketSnake  Posts: 2391 |
| While I agree that their names should not be made public, if they are, in fact, maliciously going after others' levels, then they should be punished for their actions. If this means to silently remove them from the forums, then I'm not sure what would happen. If they felt personally attacked by members of LBPC (or the staff in general), then they would likely go after the levels that are nearest-and-dearest to the LBPC community. On the other hand, we shouldn't turn a blind-eye to the fact that these members are doing their best to destroy the community. Why should we allow them to continue to be members? I suppose it all depends on how their actions continue. Do they bring this disruption to the forums? If so, then it would be irresponsible to allow them to continue on. I'm curious to know where/how the perpetrators were 'discovered'. If the proof is undeniable, then informing MM and Sony is the logical choice of action. There's no sense in protecting the rights of these players if they try their best to ruin the experience of others. Their rights are fore-gone at this point. Spooky, in the very least, make an effort to either a) Contact MM yourself. b) Contact CC, so that he can speak with MM on the matter. Troubled and concerned, Comph | 2009-12-04 17:03:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| I think MrsSpookyBuz is doing the right thing by not to publicly name and shame the perpetrators here, simply because no matter how civil the majority of our community is, there are those here, plenty in fact, who love a good witch hunt. Thank you for this. I've advised the person who contacted me to consider reporting this to MM and Sony, and perhaps separately contact ConfusedCartman - I'd be willing to do this on their behalf if they feel uncomfortable. Regarding publically 'naming and shaming', it's not that I wouldn't want to, far from it! It's more that I won't betray the confidence of the person who contacted me, in the fear this will lead to further trouble for them. But, you people are right: the vast majority of this community are decent people, and I would do anything to help those who need it. The forums aren't particularly strict - people can have quite deep and heated discussions, people can have fun, and the mods don't simply 'pounce' on threads at the first sign of controversy. It's all good. But no matter how open and decent most of the members are, certain things shouldn't be tolerated. It's despicable. | 2009-12-04 17:06:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| You just login with your email/password. JKthree is right - you go to the "view downloads" icon in the store and you can then re-download everything. My PS3 died and I was able to do this and get everything back. Also, my levels were still on my planet and I could copy them back to the ps3 from the published levels. Yeah thats what I meant for both things. I never could explain things right. I could make a little tutorial video on Youtube to show you what I mean on both things if you'd like. | 2009-12-04 17:33:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| Hmmm. no vigilante justice? Darn, I was just sharpening my pitchfork..... It's highly disappointing they would do things like this... I would love to know why. But, then again, why do many people do hurtful and ignorant things? I guess for every artist who can create something good, there is an immature little snot that will take a poop on it.... Hopefully knowing that some people know who they are will put a bit of fear into them. Maybe they don't realize that for every bad picture or good grief there is an originating IP address that can track back to their house, regardless of PSN login? If you cause these kinds of problems for MM, they WILL do something about it - and ConfusedCartman can totally block you from this site using this - I've seen it done before  | 2009-12-04 17:57:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| What I meant guys is to only IDENTIFY the people doing this. I DO NOT mean to insult or shame them. To put more dirt unto them is just gratuitious disrespect that isn't useful. So yeah, I would be good to know who they are just as an incentive to stop and help them realise they can get caught. Hopefully maybe they could learn something to. I would like to see them explain their motives and why they are doing this. . | 2009-12-04 18:20:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901 |
| I'm intrigued to know who are the people at this, but I know what everyone is saying. Do the right thing. The Sack Gods are guiding us. | 2009-12-04 18:37:00 Author: KQuinn94Z Posts: 1758 |
| I fixed my moderated level that was abused by photos by simply Capturing the whole level and placing it into an empty level. Infact i have done this with a few levels. Not everything will work normally but a few simple fixes and you will be vary happy. Hope this helps as it did for me. | 2009-12-04 18:44:00 Author: fijski8  Posts: 159 |
| but we also have to remember that modding sometime happens for a reason, which im sure in the case of Mdaj it didnt but if we were to do what fijski8 suggested this would be getting out of the mod, | 2009-12-04 18:46:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| but we also have to remember that modding sometime happens for a reason, which im sure in the case of Mdaj it didnt but if we were to do what fijski8 suggested this would be getting out of the mod, Totally agree, but as "Sam Protagonist" mentioned, it's kind of a nightmare right now because of the WAY moderation is done. A level should never be moderated because of something out of the creators control, if a level is moderated the creator should get a clear message telling them WHY, people who maliceously good grief should be punished, and Sony needs to be open about what criteria they are using to moderate. If they did these things, threads like this would be unnecessary. By the way, anyone who knows something about this should reveal these abusers to Sam Protagonist and ConfusedCartman. Don't be afraid.... you have FAR more people behind you than they do. | 2009-12-04 18:56:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Totally agree, but as "Sam Protagonist" mentioned, it's kind of a nightmare right now because of the WAY moderation is done. A level should never be moderated because of something out of the creators control, if a level is moderated the creator should get a clear message telling them WHY, people who maliciously good grief should be punished, and Sony needs to be open about what criteria they are using to moderate. If they did these things, threads like this would be unnecessary. By the way, anyone who knows something about this should reveal these abusers to Sam Protagonist and ConfusedCartman. Don't be afraid.... you have FAR more people behind you than they do. Great post. I totally agree. You seem to take the words right out of my mouth at times! I was hoping we would get some word back from Spaff this week on what the status of their efforts have been thus far. I know it's only been 4 days, but I was hoping that we could get some news on their efforts. | 2009-12-04 19:06:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Since this thread was started, I've been informed that our suspicions are well-founded about there being groups or clusters of people targetting popular levels in an effort to get them moderated. I'm not a snitch so I won't divulge the individuals' names, but unfortunately some of these perpetrators are members here on LBPC. I found this very disappointing. If true, this is sad that people would actually stoop so low. Spill the beans! Btw, who is your source? And are you sure they are telling the truth? | 2009-12-04 19:34:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| It wont make a difference reporting them as a whole due to the destructive mentality trait shared amoung so many in the LBP community. This will continue to occur until the power to moderate over undue reasons is taken away from the players. Obviously they still need to be punished for their actions. | 2009-12-04 19:53:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| Btw, who is your source? And are you sure they are telling the truth? Please believe me when I say I'm not revelling in this secrecy - but my source has compelling evidence of not only targetted abuse, but personal infringement attacks. I am quite certain they are telling the absolute truth. And I'm also hopeful this will resolve positively. I think the source showed a lot of courage to speak up - I wish the same could be said for the cowardly perpetrators. | 2009-12-04 20:15:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| Please believe me when I say I'm not revelling in this secrecy - but my source has compelling evidence of not only targetted abuse, but personal infringement attacks. I am quite certain they are telling the absolute truth. And I'm also hopeful this will resolve positively. I think the source showed a lot of courage to speak up - I wish the same could be said for the cowardly perpetrators. Alright, that makes it sound better. Before, I thought the person who contacted you was just naming people he did not like. | 2009-12-04 20:41:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| What these people are doing is simply destructive, and I have no nice words for them. They seem to simply be young, immature kids on some idiotic power trip - for one reason or another, they crave control and they think this is the way to get it. Sooner or later, the moderation process will need to be changed, or the bulk of the LBP community will get fed up and leave. You guys are not alone - LBPCentral and Media Molecule both are vying for these changes, the entire Creative community backs us, and I will personally continue to use what little influence I have until they're implemented. At this point, it's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". Until then, sit tight, back up your profile frequently, and keep Creating. | 2009-12-04 23:29:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| Thank you ConfusedCartman. Sincerely, thank you very much. That's a very reassuring post. | 2009-12-04 23:39:00 Author: Jagrevi Posts: 1154 |
| Until then, sit tight, back up your profile frequently, and keep Creating. This cannot be stressed enough. We all need to NOT MIND and continue to make good quality level. If only to continue nourish the community so it can more easily hold on until things are straightened up. . | 2009-12-05 01:58:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901 |
| I sent a message to a moderator on the Official PS3 forums who also helps moderate LBP levels and he said "I do help out on the moderation of LBP levels yes. I am also aware of the problem of perfectly acceptable levels being moderated because a bad user has come onto the levels and posted obscene images. If that is what you were inquiring about, then fear not. This issue has already been made aware of to the LBP moderation team and hopefully these levels wont get censored again, and the true culprits will be punished accordingly." | 2009-12-06 11:03:00 Author: Chuk_Chuk Posts: 108 |
| I sent a message to a moderator on the Official PS3 forums who also helps moderate LBP levels and he said "I do help out on the moderation of LBP levels yes. I am also aware of the problem of perfectly acceptable levels being moderated because a bad user has come onto the levels and posted obscene images. If that is what you were inquiring about, then fear not. This issue has already been made aware of to the LBP moderation team and hopefully these levels wont get censored again, and the true culprits will be punished accordingly." Well that is certainly good news!!! Thanks so much for sharing! Though how it became an issue in the first place says a bit about the common sense of those moderators. Uh oh... I'm in trouble now aren't I!? :eek: LOL! Thanks again! | 2009-12-06 13:58:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Though how it became an issue in the first place says a bit about the common sense of those moderators. Uh oh... I'm in trouble now aren't I!? :eek: LOL! Ha! Careful there, jww! 1 star ratings from the moderators for your levels! | 2009-12-06 15:03:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| Well that is certainly good news!!! Thanks so much for sharing! Though how it became an issue in the first place says a bit about the common sense of those moderators. Uh oh... I'm in trouble now aren't I!? :eek: LOL! Thanks again! i don't think he comes to these forums to busy cause he moderates quite a few games, so your safe. | 2009-12-06 15:45:00 Author: Chuk_Chuk Posts: 108 |
| Ha! Careful there, jww! 1 star ratings from the moderators for your levels! i don't think he comes to these forums to busy cause he moderates quite a few games, so your safe. Needless to say I usually walk a fine line between insanity and stupidity. It was worth the risk for a bit o' humor! LOL! | 2009-12-06 16:14:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| I sent a message to a moderator on the Official PS3 forums who also helps moderate LBP levels and he said "I do help out on the moderation of LBP levels yes. I am also aware of the problem of perfectly acceptable levels being moderated because a bad user has come onto the levels and posted obscene images. If that is what you were inquiring about, then fear not. This issue has already been made aware of to the LBP moderation team and hopefully these levels wont get censored again, and the true culprits will be punished accordingly." sounds like awesome news and those *language filters* should just get a life, whats the point in getting great, hard-worked levels moderated!? what are they crazy?! do they enjoy it?! tell me because i simply dont see a valid reason and i hope that they get what they deserve | 2009-12-08 02:16:00 Author: Racroz  Posts: 406 |
| I just checked my unofficial horror costumes levels and when trying to load it came up with a failed to load level, then failed to load level resourrces because they have been moderated. Unlike with all my other moderated levels its still on my map and visable for others to see. Are they eventually going to allow it to be played again or just remove yet another level for no good reason? | 2009-12-20 15:16:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| This failed to load level bug happened right after you republished it. I'm 'fraid there's not much you can do it about, but I don't think it's related to being moderated. I was eventually able to get into it when I tried the next day. | 2009-12-20 15:30:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| It has been a few days since I noticed but I'd like to point out that the Trophy level(the level that became the most hearted after steve_big_guns' level was moderated) has been moderated. It's clear that there is still a problem going around with the moderation process and honestly I don't care that this Trophy level got moderated. The reason I post this now is because the new Most Hearted level is Distress in Ocean, I know most people have played this level and it is still fantastic even with it's age. If history shows any indication this level will also be moderated just like Dinosaur's Island, Dead Space, and Unofficial Costumes. I hope we can actually do something to protect this level, so what do you say? | 2010-01-01 23:18:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| Hmm, yes, I noticed this, too. Even for the Trophy Level, which I didn't care for particularly, it seems things haven't changed. It doesn't seem to matter whether the targeted level is an outstanding one, or a prize-giving one - if it has the most hearts, it's next on the list. A great shame. I'm not too far from calling it a day. | 2010-01-02 01:39:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| I hope Media Molecule will talk to us about all this soon. The hearted list bug and the moderation are the main and most important problems in this game and really, all they have to do all day is to fix this game and also add to it. Sometimes I wonder where ANYTHING is going to. . | 2010-01-02 02:26:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901 |
| This is how the majority of this community is. Little ******** who hate all levels which have work put into it, and they only like bomb levels and real water levels. Not to mention they falsly let MM moderate a really cool level. I'm truly sick of all this. I know there are always trolls in a game, but this is just going too far. This is also a reason why I create levels that are immensly retarded; to me, it doesn't really work out to make a really good level anyway, while I know I can do it. A good level of mine won't get played anyway. I can see Littlebigplanet being ruled by powerhungry a#@munches in a sad feature, like Lemon_And_Gravy. They published a level called 'upcoming levels by lemon and gravy' and that level got a whole lot more plays than I could ever imagine one of my levels getting that many. | 2010-01-03 13:04:00 Author: Recurracy Posts: 166 |
| you guys DO know that Mm themselves aren't really moderating these levels...but a separate moderation team that either works in Mm or are paid by Mm to moderate these levels right? i say this only because some people are getting ****** at Mm just because some lazy mods don't want to go through the whole level so they delete them on the spot. anyways I find it retarded that these groups don't suffer an IP permab& at least that for me is a suitable punishment...I could care less what anyone else thinks but in my opinion they deserve no less then to be permanently banned from LBP forever and forced to play the single player mode people who find pleasure in creating groups to destroy LBPs finest deserve no slap on the wrist...no they deserve to be destroyed from the LBP community and never to return. just like in the real life, you rob a store? you ain't coming back, EVER >:[ | 2010-01-04 20:18:00 Author: Shadowcrazy  Posts: 3365 |
| Because IP addresses change often. In fact, my ISP changes my IP every week on schedule. That means the IP address I am using now will be shared by over 50 people in a year. That means 50 people that are not me a year could be banned. IP bans are stupid. They rarely work. They are trivial to navigate around and they do more collateral damage than targeted damage. | 2010-01-04 20:25:00 Author: ButterflySamurai Posts: 98 |
| in my opinion we should just send Spaff to sort them out, Give them a slap on the wrists and steal their PS3s (or LBP) | 2010-01-05 09:13:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Because IP addresses change often. In fact, my ISP changes my IP every week on schedule. That means the IP address I am using now will be shared by over 50 people in a year. That means 50 people that are not me a year could be banned. IP bans are stupid. They rarely work. They are trivial to navigate around and they do more collateral damage than targeted damage. You're wrong - consoles can be banned: each of them has a unique ID that is like a MAC address that is used during the access on the PSN as an autentication, so it's possible to ban them regardless of the IP - for example, a couple months ago, microsoft went on a ban spree of the modded xboxes: those consoles will never see the net again | 2010-01-11 15:00:00 Author: Shadowheaven  Posts: 378 |
| You're wrong - consoles can be banned: each of them has a unique ID that is like a MAC address that is used during the access on the PSN as an autentication, so it's possible to ban them regardless of the IP - for example, a couple months ago, microsoft went on a ban spree of the modded xboxes: those consoles will never see the net again Both mac addresses and serial keys et all are changeable, it is just harder to change and spoof than an IP address. Specifically, regarding the CPU Key for the banned XBox 360s - it is possible to change it and remove the ban, some people have and because of this, they are now buying up the cheap banned XBoxes from ebay, fixing them and selling them on again. I will not discuss it in depth because I do not want sued and I do not really have an interest in it. I am not banned from XBox Live. I did not say it was impossible to ban people, just that IP based bans were inadequate, likely to result in false positives and trivial to navigate around. It is harder to get around mac bans and console ID bans, but not impossible HOWEVER I think the barrier of entry is high enough to deter A LOT of people - for the average user, it would take too much time for too little gain - although not perfect, I think they are Good Enough. I am not saying it is impossible to ban people - what I said does not contradict what you said at all. You are preaching to the choir. We agree, which is good. I was replying directly to a post about IP bans and not about banning in general. Take care. | 2010-01-11 15:09:00 Author: ButterflySamurai Posts: 98 |
| ok no offense but how about getting back on topic on some ways to help out this moderated issue? idk im in the hopes that Mm finds a way soon | 2010-01-12 04:19:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| Im just confused as to why the level gets banned... It's not exactly the creators fault that people take photos of swearing n' stuff. There should be a "Taken By Blahdeblah" on the photo. | 2010-01-12 13:57:00 Author: BlahYourHamster Posts: 177 |
| Im just confused as to why the level gets banned... It's not exactly the creators fault that people take photos of swearing n' stuff. There should be a "Taken By Blahdeblah" on the photo. I think they adjusted the moderators on this one.... The last time it happened to me the picture was replaced by a red empty image. | 2010-01-12 14:18:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Im just confused as to why the level gets banned... It's not exactly the creators fault that people take photos of swearing n' stuff. There should be a "Taken By Blahdeblah" on the photo. levels get banned because of the following: 1.little kids who cant beat the level ragequitting and reporting 2.LBP terrorists (group bent on banning popular levels...like mdaj,etc.) and when they get reported the moderation team is too lazy to play each one to confirm anything so they just delete it as simple as that....although dont quote me on calling them lazy...with over one million levels up in LBP im sure they get maybe hundreds of reports monthly and dont want to have to take so much time doing every single one of them | 2010-01-13 00:16:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| The levels falsely moderated do re-appear. As for the ones with copyright and trademark problems - it is not media molecules job to change the laws - it is the responsibility of the voting public. I see lots of people blaming them for it, they have to stay on the right side of the law. I have never heard of any level so far permanently deleted for just being Too Hard. | 2010-01-13 14:16:00 Author: ButterflySamurai Posts: 98 |
| The levels falsely moderated do re-appear. As for the ones with copyright and trademark problems - it is not media molecules job to change the laws - it is the responsibility of the voting public. I see lots of people blaming them for it, they have to stay on the right side of the law. I have never heard of any level so far permanently deleted for just being Too Hard. guess you aren't familiar with the Azure Palace then :/ | 2010-01-14 03:45:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| To be honest I just don't understand why MM don't do anything about this, are they blind?? This was one of THE best levels of all time and now that's it... What do they do just moderate any level which someone else has made it offensive... | 2010-01-14 18:32:00 Author: XXGrEEn0Xx Posts: 75 |
| guess you aren't familiar with the Azure Palace then :/ Nope what's it like? | 2010-01-14 18:48:00 Author: Doopz  Posts: 5592 |
| thats just terrible... they are obviously just griefers. he should just ignore them, and continue to make brilliant levels. this happened to one of my friends poe1000. | 2010-01-14 20:23:00 Author: vergildmcking  Posts: 190 |
| levels get banned because of the following: 1.little kids who cant beat the level ragequitting and reporting 2.LBP terrorists (group bent on banning popular levels...like mdaj,etc.) and when they get reported the moderation team is too lazy to play each one to confirm anything so they just delete it as simple as that....although dont quote me on calling them lazy...with over one million levels up in LBP im sure they get maybe hundreds of reports monthly and dont want to have to take so much time doing every single one of them Mm doesn't really have a choice, they have to make it child friendly by law. Although the moderation system still needs a lot of work. Hopefully it gets fixed soon, but I didn't see anything inappropriate with Sci-fi world 3 and ex... | 2010-01-14 20:34:00 Author: tanrockstan34  Posts: 1076 |
| ok seriously who gives negative rep for expressing my opinion? i didnt even curse anybody out or call anybody names...wtf?!?! | 2010-02-02 03:29:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| I'm glad you updated this thread, the other night I was thinking about the famous Silent Hill level by Monkeybutler, it had been months since I played it. So I checked the Most Hearted page and noticed it wasn't there anymore. It's probably been a long time since it was moderated but I don't think I saw it mentioned before. Sad to see another great level moderated. :/ | 2010-02-02 03:42:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| What other levels have returned after moderation apart from little dead space?. I feel that it could be the only one to do so as it won level of the year. | 2010-02-02 03:53:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| None so far, LDS is the only one. | 2010-02-02 04:10:00 Author: TheFirstAvenger Posts: 787 |
| I know I'm about to be very unspecific, but there was once a level called something like "mesmerise: the ultimate effects" on the cool pages. It was moderated and it reappeared a few days later with "thanks to david_molecule for unmoderating it!", or something like that. But it seemed like the person was telling the truth. Levels get moderated and then republished a lot I think... Mistervista's Sheriff Sack #1 completely disappeared, and he told me he was able to republish it (starting from scratch) without having to change or delete anything. It seems very bizarre... RoseScythe's (horror and corpse-filled) Dead Memories #1 was moderated, but he republished that one too. Vandz's suicidal sack puzzler is another example... The list goes on. I think as long as you have enough separate copies any moderated level is technically republishable. (From Scratch.) | 2010-02-02 04:22:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251 |
| ... this still hasn't been solved? Seriously? Are new OzzyOswalds coming back from the grave?! Well, we have to think about this. We can't just blandly call out names. We can't blame the publisher and/or developer for ALL problems. I mean, you've gotta think about it: LittleBigPlanet is the FIRST of its kind (and still the ONLY of its kind); this is completely new to a company whose prior work was based off of ragdolls (That didn't have ANY SORT of online functionality, mind you). You can't expect them to fart a rainbow and say "Oh! Little children! Everything will be O.K.!!" Y'know why?: Because they're as stumped on this problem as the rest of us. I mean, sure, they're the ones who made the game, but did they expect any of this? No. Or well, at first. Yeah, and erm, how many times have I heard someone complain about "my not getting enough plays" or "people are writing icky comments about my level"? Too many, especially for a game where *minor curse word* like that shouldn't even be regarded. I'm not losing faith in the companies who run this game; oh no, far from it. I'm starting to lose faith in the people who play it. Especially at those who cause these tragedies to happen... and for those who bicker about the problem and don't do anything about it, expecting the company to take full blame for it. You never hear Infinity Ward taking on blame for people haxxing into the servers or making death threats via messaging because they were sniped. You never hear about Take Two regretting any of their decisions about the Grand Theft Auto series (and the many court cases that ensued). You never hear about Visceral Games issuing apologies for causing psychological disorders and making gamers *minor curse word* their pants thanks to Dead Space. And my god, I'm still surprised Sony hasn't been sued by Nintendo and/or Microsoft thanks to all of the copyright infringements on LittleBigPlanet alone! So it's pretty obvious that we aren't going to see change by asking. If we want to see something happen (and possibly get rid of altogether), then we'll have to take action ourselves. Because nothing good is happening when we sit around moping about our problems. | 2010-02-02 06:05:00 Author: Outlaw-Jack  Posts: 5757 |
| I have to say the moderated version of my "Hell's angels 2" level was brought back last week. I had already republished the actual version, so I'll keep the old one locked. The "Miracle of life" moderated version hasn't been brought back, but I already said to who I had to say, I'll keep the actual version. Hell's angels 2 didn't win anything, so LDS wasn't brought back just because of the level of the year award. | 2010-02-02 07:17:00 Author: poms  Posts: 383 |
| I wonder...are the majority of LBP players little kids who need shielding from exposure to violent or sexual images, or are they mostly responsible adults who should be allowed to explore mature themes through a new art form? If the former, then it's right that the moderators should wield a heavy axe, but if it's the later then MM have clearly targeted the wrong audience with LBP and are only alienating players with their over-zealous censorship. Sadly though, I suspect that the majority of LBP players are actually the wide eyed, nose pickin' little "angels", who spend their gaming hour bleating in inane pleasure at the "3D bomb-shark survival with real water" level which their best friend Dwayne built in 60 seconds and then told everyone in school to heart else he'd good grief their levels. | 2010-02-02 09:03:00 Author: Ungreth  Posts: 2130 |
| Well, add another to the list. Lost in the Pacific 3 is missing. | 2010-02-08 20:41:00 Author: fijski8 Posts: 159 |
| Well, add another to the list. Lost in the Pacific 3 is missing. good thing i got to play it before it got modded....seriously tho Mm needs to know whats happening with their moderators....they just seem to delete everything without even looking for the issue....if its going to be that easy to moderate someones levels maybe this could work into our favor of what to do with H4H and with those people who moderate levels themselves...catch my drift? | 2010-02-08 21:17:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| Also miracle of life was moderated again. Obviously no changes to the system have been made and I doubt there will be any. | 2010-02-11 04:21:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423 |
| Also miracle of life was moderated again. Obviously no changes to the system have been made and I doubt there will be any. Yep... I just couldn't help to laugh when I saw it. I honestly don't know what to do with this level. Delete the two sperm-talking-cells?, delete the baby at the end?, keep it locked and build a small intro-level?... | 2010-02-11 10:34:00 Author: poms Posts: 383 |
| This is a big problem, yet there's no clear-cut way to solve it. That's what makes it the greatest flaw in LBP today. The genre system as mentioned before would work well, I suppose, but then you'd have falsely-placed levels, and the attacks issue wouldn't be resolved... | 2010-02-11 12:16:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| Sorry to hear that Poms!! Gheeesh, you have gone though quite a bit with that level!! Yeah.. maybe an intro level asking age and some questions to validate? Not sure what to suggest really... @SLS10 - I think genre would help quite a bit to be honest. Sure there would be some that would be improperly labeled, but the Creator would be wise not to make that mistake. Any that did, well... they aren't going to do very well in that genre and possibly moderated if for example something not for kids was placed in a genre more for kids or general public. | 2010-02-11 14:09:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Yep... I just couldn't help to laugh when I saw it. I honestly don't know what to do with this level. Delete the two sperm-talking-cells?, delete the baby at the end?, keep it locked and build a small intro-level?... Swap the sperms for decapitated dolls heads, replace the dna strings with big axes / scythes, and sway the baby for some monster you have to fight. Call it scary monster land and then you'll probably be fine. The worst thing is, even though I'm joking, that kinda violence would probably be deemed more "appropriate" that a couple of sperm cells and a beautiful level celebrating life | 2010-02-11 14:16:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| I would just republish it over and over again until they tell you precisely what's wrong. (That obviously won't happen.) I think I will make a level that should definitely get moderated just to see what's happening if I republish it every time it gets moderated. | 2010-02-11 14:20:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| Wasn't there some guy that got banned for a week, because of a "serious offense" when he republished it after it had been moderated once? Some kind of zombie-level if remember correctly.. | 2010-02-11 14:22:00 Author: Tamland Posts: 106 |
| I doubt there is that much coordination between those who moderate (or the machines that react). You can always say that they didn't explain to you whats wrong. Besides getting banned wouldn't bother me. I hardly every play online. | 2010-02-11 14:25:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| http://forums.littlebigworkshop.com/lbp/board/message?board.id=pod&thread.id=120651 Moderation was supposed to be stepped up. If it still isn't, bother. | 2010-02-12 03:12:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Wasn't there some guy that got banned for a week, because of a "serious offense" when he republished it after it had been moderated once? Some kind of zombie-level if remember correctly.. SONY doesn't b& anybody from PSN....hence why Xbox360 fans hate ps3...since stuff like this and stealing levels and publishing them as your own happen....which i agree i hate sony for it | 2010-02-12 05:32:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| Wow I had no idea this kind of thing was going on seeing as how I don't get much chance to go online with this game (I don't have Internet access at my house). It makes me a little concerned that people might go into my level and place a bunch of obscene pictures just to be rude. I'm not saying that my level is anything as awesome or legendary as some of the levels that have been modded but it still worries me nonetheless. Anyway, my condolences to mdaj (who's levels I never got to play sadly) and all the creators who's hard work is gone because of this nonsense. | 2011-03-31 02:42:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Back to sleep Necro thread..... Try to check the last post date before posting. | 2011-03-31 03:33:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
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