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Adam Lambert

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The guy who didn't win American Idol and everyone was all upset, him.
I heard on Jimmey Fallon that he kissed a backup dancer and simulated fellatio (hopefully that word isn't inappropriate, it's the only clean one I have for it) and then flicked off the crowd on the AMA's.
This brings me to something that bothers me alot. I know you have freedom of speech and you can do whatever you want as long as its legal. I'm not bashing on...uh...happy people, yeah if you can't figure out what I'm talking about, its because I'm trying to balance a subject that might be more than PG on a PG site. So anyway, I like that we can choose what we want to do and be. But I don't like other people shoving their lifestyles in my face. I'm not conservative by any means but if he was doing that to all the people who hate on him, why do I have to see it? (I know I didn't, lets not split hairs) TaTu did the same thing but without the vulgarity. Well technically all of their backup dancers kissed and they didn't. But I didn't feel like I was being told go jump in a ditch if you don't like it.

Does anyone else have thoughts on this? Remember, I'm not homophobic so don't bash on me, I was raised by a lesbian and met plenty of their girlfriends. I've been around plenty of "happy" guys and the only ones I will tell you to watch out for are the ones who act like stereotypical, beware the stereotypes!

And Keep It Clean!		2009-11-25 06:00:00

Author:
thefrozenpenquin
Posts: 479

They have to put up with straight people kissing all the time, not just on tv

I think that's the level that we're trying to get it at now. People 'accept' homosexuals if that's the word, but they're still not ok with seeing it. Ideally it's just a matter of time before it's just as normal as a straight couple kissing xD

Whatever Adam did it sounds a bit dodgy, but i'd of thought the exact same if he'd done it to a women. Both sexualities have their fair share of annoying people 		2009-11-25 08:03:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

fellatio (hopefully that word isn't inappropriate, it's the only clean one I have for it)

A trouser friendly kiss.		2009-11-25 10:51:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Would you have made this thread if it had been a straight guy and he'd pretended to pleasure some lady parts? Being straight is just as much a "lifestyle" as being g-y is. I don't see why this incident is more upsetting than the daily barrage of man on woman sexy times imagery in commercials, TV shows, newspaper ads, videogames, movies, and hedge cuttings that I have to put up with every single day.

(Note that I don't think whatever Adam Lambert did was in good taste, I just don't see why it's MORE upsetting)		2009-11-25 13:16:00

Author:
CaptainCowboyHat
Posts: 153

I'd have to agree with CCH, here.

Yes, it was in bad taste, but so is every rap-video ever made. We don't think twice about those, since we tend to enjoy them... And yes, being straight is as much of a "lifestyle" choice as homosexuality, in that it's not a choice. If you're upset about the way he [Lambert] carries himself, I'm sure you could find someone straight who is a parallel.

I hope this thread doesn't self destruct. I'll keep my eye on it... 		2009-11-25 14:27:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

I thought Adam Lambert's performance was a tad over the top for broadcast television, but no more so than the other often cited over the top incidents involving Janet Jackson/Justin Timberlake or Madonna/Britney/Christina. For that matter, I thought much of that show was completely over the top, but isn't that what entertainers feel they need to do these days because subtlety has lost its magic and in your face, outrageous behavior is the way to get attention? Perhaps he wasn't necessarily trying to make a statement up there, he was just being himself and an entertainer (whether or not people indeed were entertained is a separate issue)?

I agree that an individual's freedom of expression, as empowering and beneficial to us as it may be, needs to be balanced against other important things, such as public safety, other fundamental rights and basic human dignity. I don't believe, however, that we should be using different scales for different groups of people when measuring the same thing.		2009-11-25 17:06:00

Author:
ScoutsBoo
Posts: 63

Would you have made this thread if it had been a straight guy and he'd pretended to pleasure some lady parts? Being straight is just as much a "lifestyle" as being g-y is. I don't see why this incident is more upsetting than the daily barrage of man on woman sexy times imagery in commercials, TV shows, newspaper ads, videogames, movies, and hedge cuttings that I have to put up with every single day.

(Note that I don't think whatever Adam Lambert did was in good taste, I just don't see why it's MORE upsetting)

Absolutely, I think that if you are going to do stuff like that it should be on a show that kids won't be seeing. I would make a thread about it if it was straight people if I saw it, I don't watch alot of tv. We have parental controls on our television so I'm sure they wouldn't see it. I watch things like Art Mann Presents and I like to see some outrageous stuff on channels that your kids can't find. But it was on an award show. I found Eminem's pill drop distasteful also (I did laugh) because it was on a show that younger folk watch. I used to be on a lot of drugs and I don't think its alright for pill or serious drugs to be shown in a way that looks cool. They are very hard to recover from sometimes and are horrible on your body. And ummm...Britney and Madonna, ewwwww.

Thanks for keeping clean btw. 		2009-11-25 17:42:00

Author:
thefrozenpenquin
Posts: 479

I agree that an individual's freedom of expression, as empowering and beneficial to us as it may be, needs to be balanced against other important things, such as public safety, other fundamental rights and basic human dignity. I don't believe, however, that we should be using different scales for different groups of people when measuring the same thing.

Thx Max. Its called artistic freedom, and no one seems to have minded when Britney Spears or Janet Jackson did it, so whats the matter now? Double standards.

I think folks need to take a look at the other performances that night. Crotch grabs were common place. Pretty much everything in Adam?s performance was seen by ABC and its producers during his rehearsals. The only real addition to the script was the kiss.


Absolutely, I think that if you are going to do stuff like that it should be on a show that kids won't be seeing. I would make a thread about it if it was straight people if I saw it, I don't watch alot of tv. We have parental controls on our television so I'm sure they wouldn't see it. I watch things like Art Mann Presents and I like to see some outrageous stuff on channels that your kids can't find. But it was on an award show.

His performance was on like at 11:00 pm. The kiddies should have been put to sleep a long time ago.		2009-11-25 18:09:00

Author:
SHENOA77
Posts: 184

Thx Max. Its called artistic freedom, and no one seems to have minded when Britney Spears or Janet Jackson did it, so whats the matter now? Double standards.

I think folks need to take a look at the other performances that night. Crotch grabs were common place. Pretty much everything in Adam?s performance was seen by ABC and its producers during his rehearsals. The only real addition to the script was the kiss.



His performance was on like at 11:00 pm. The kiddies should have been put to sleep a long time ago.

That makes a difference, but if they do reruns they should take anything vulgar out. Fellatio, cunninglingus, or emulation of sexual manner shouldn't be put on shows that kids can watch. I'm not old, I'm not a bible thumper (I don't believe in a higher power), and I don't want to cram my view down other people's throats. But I do come from a town that had the highest teen pregnancy in the SW US. I think we ere third in the country. I knew four 12 yr old girls that were pregnant or had babies. They were nice girls, none of the stuff you used to see on Jerry Springer. I don't want my kids having exposure to things of a suggestive nature so I keep my horseplay with my girlfriend to a low while they are up and lock certain shows.
I probably wouldn't have left the show on if I had one of my kids up if they showed crotch grabbing, but I definitely would turn it if it had things like oral simulation. I wouldn't want to see that part of the show but I wouldn't have changed the channel if I was watching it myself. But I do know that alot of tweens that like Adam (I'm not sure why yet, same with Twilight. I'm not bashing just don't understand it) and people imitate their idols. Do you guys remember 4 yr olds walking around in halter tops because they wanted to look like Britney Spears?
Now, she knew she was a role model for young kids. If your audience is young kids, and your are influencial, you should use that to make them better.
If anyone watches the WWE, then you know who John Cena is. I have to say that I don't like him anymore, well atleast as someone who entertains me. I don't think they should take him off the show because as the champion he has seriously PG'd if not G'd his actions and speech. He changed the way he talks trash, changed the names of his moves (except the 5 knuckle shuffle, why haven't they figured that out yet?) and started acting like a role model. Sure he isn't fun to watch, but its great to see kids want to be the good guy.
Anyway, didn't mean to type so much. I think the controversial schtick has been played out.
Back on Adam Lambert. I never really liked him but I couldn't figure out why. Then one day I actually paid attention to American Idol with my girlfriend (the computer is next to the television) and realized that his high note hurt my ears. He uses that high note alot in American Idol so...		2009-11-25 21:04:00

Author:
thefrozenpenquin
Posts: 479

I would make a thread about it if it was straight people if I saw it

I know this is straying from the topic a little bit but i don't think you would have

You're first post seemed very orientated on their sexuality and how you're ok with it as long as it's kept behind doors, the fact that you mentioned it at all raises suspicion.
And there's an endless supply of more controversial things that have happened on tv that i don't see you making a thread about anywhere

I know that was kind of unnecessary but i felt the urge... muhaha

I'm not judging you for it though a lot of straight guys are still getting used to it, they've had to adapt quickly so they're all like "erm.. yeah yeah i'm ok with that, g-y people are ok" when really they aren't xD

I've heard it all with my friends before, they were forced to accept it when i came out but they still acted homophobic a lot without realising. Urgh... and the awkward conversations when someone brings up my sexuality o_o
They have like a 30 minute conversation among themselves infront of me about how *** people are ok and i just sit their nodding as if i care about what they're talking about.

Erm... yeah just chill out about it anyway, it's painful watching people trying to defend themselves xD		2009-11-25 22:31:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Aah, is this the person who enraged the US, and caused over 1,500 complaints? And this happened in the same country where Oprah Winfrey has been the most popular chatshow for the last 25 years and made her a multi-billionnaire?

Hmm... (I'll watch my terms and language here) - a guy kissed a guy on stage. No problems there, really. Whatever floats your boat. My problem isn't sexuality, or the right for individuals to decide and/or believe they are of a certain persuasion.

My issue is the fact that I'm turning into an old woman who finds it increasingly amazing that the general public are being conditioned into this celebrity culture crap, and worse still, the manufactured, plastic, shallow, talentless generation of people who aspire simply to be 'famous'.

The UK is far from innocent in all this: X-Factor, Pop Idol, Britain's Got Talent, the list goes on of populist pap that passes for entertainment. And we're all hypocrites, too. We complain about the tabloid press and trashy TV, yet the papers sell in millions and the TV programmes top the ratings, so it may not be us that are watching or reading, but someone is.

Anyway, I ramble. My point is that it's no more vulgar for a man kissing a woman, woman kissing a woman, or man kissing a man. It just seems to me that with this and other examples, they're doing it to provoke the very debate we're having. Not to tell kids it's okay to do it, but to promote outrage and disgust, and to leave the public with the very opposite thoughts that they were in fact trying to highlight.

I dunno, I'll get off my soapbox and let you young ones carry on the debate. I'm too cynical these days.

2009-11-25 22:38:00

Author:
MrsSpookyBuz
Posts: 1492

It wasn't the kiss that got me posting, it was the simulation of fellatio.
@Dexiro, I don't watch alot of television. What I do watch ends up being like Wow Wow Wubbsie. Can't really see too much going on on that show to be vulgar. You won't find posts of me complaining about straight people doing stuff like that. Mainly because I don't watch television. If it is brought up in the news and I see it, then you will see a post. P.S. no attacking, bashing gets threads closed.

BTW, I don't like Oprah, share the wealth.		2009-11-26 12:31:00

Author:
thefrozenpenquin
Posts: 479

It wasn't the kiss that got me posting, it was the simulation of fellatio.


To be honest, you mentioned it ONCE in the OP and then went on to discuss the ethical remifications of homosexual kissing.

To be truthful, Dex is kind of on the spot with his argument. I don't want to get too much into this because these thigns spiral out of control, but yeah.		2009-11-26 18:45:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

Romans accepted homosexuality. so why cant we? Would you be posting about this if it were say a woman simulating "a trouser friendly kiss"

TBH i dont have a problem with homosexuals, as long as they dont try... *Ahem* what im trying to say is; its the way people have been conditioned. The problems that have occurred are a direct influence of "Religion" i "" Religion because i dont mean any religion specifically, In many books of religion it mentions how homosexuality is bad, but thats not very fair that means that the gods that are supposed to love everyone are allowed to make an exception. Ok im not going to mention the R word anymore

Essentially if he did something that offended you, Take it with a pinch of salt, For all the people that hated it, im sure one person liiked it, I mean just look at JedWard. Everyone was blabbing on about how rubbish they were what they should be doing how they couldnt sing, but they stayed in which means that someone out there was voting for them,		2009-11-26 19:34:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

simulated fellatio



I always use Australian Kiss..... (French Kiss Down Under)		2009-11-26 20:19:00

Author:
srgt_poptart
Posts: 425

I was trying to stay away from the mentioning of the fellatio alot. But if I sound like I am hating on gays then maybe I should read my posts more objectionably. It didn't particularly offend me, I think they shouldn't air sexual things on television.
Who is JedWard?

Ok, reread my post. I mentioned both the kiss and the simulated acted only once. I referenced lesbians kissing but they didn't simulate anything so I guess kiss was said twice but in reference to two different occasions. Mind you that I'm not bashing or hating or trying to make him seem like a bad person. I was thinking it shouldn't be on television for our kids to watch. Which, as be clarified for me, it wasn't. I don't think our kids should be persuaded to only like the opposite sex. And I really don't like how people whisper about my sister-in-law (the person who raised me) on how she should be ashamed to raise her daughter the way she lives. If I sounded like I'm bashing, I didn't mean to. But I still think that television is getting a little too "open". I don't want to see nipples on network TV. I don't...yet. I don't know, I've seen things that are shown in commercials in places like Germany that they wouldn't show in the US. How does it turn out there? (actually asking, not intended to be sarcastic)		2009-11-27 04:41:00

Author:
thefrozenpenquin
Posts: 479

Who is JedWard?
X Factor contestants.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1229328/Jedward-X-Factor-Everything-knew-wanted-know-twins.html



But I still think that television is getting a little too "open". I don't want to see nipples on network TV. I don't...yet. I don't know, I've seen things that are shown in commercials in places like Germany that they wouldn't show in the US. How does it turn out there? (actually asking, not intended to be sarcastic)

Its just a cultural thing, Americans are fine with depictions of violent scenes but are generally quick to censor a womans norks, European countries are more likely censor violence but are more relaxed about a womans tatty bojangles being on display.		2009-11-27 11:38:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

The few clips of European tv shows that make it to UK tv (usually as part of a comedy show) are actually kind of scary xD

They all seem to involve seemingly ordinary gameshows but with a lot of strobe lights, glitter and women wearing bikinis. They just made those countries seem really perverted and these were family shows too apparently!

I'm trying not to enrage anyone by saying that ALL European shows are like that but that's what the media's telling us over here 		2009-11-27 18:09:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100


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