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Aren't we all technically "undead"?

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Yesterday, I was talking to one of my friends about... something and we started talking about zombies and vampires and undeads of all sorts. And he said to me that we're all technically undead, since it just means not dead. I said he was wrong, that undead means that someone was dead, but then they came back, so they are un-dead. Same basic logic as undoing something. It can't be undone until it's been done. What's your take on this?2009-10-24 14:58:00

Author:
dandygandy2704
Posts: 1002

What's your take on this?

BRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIINNNNNNSSSSSS! :eek:

Technically you'd have to be dead in the first place but have still have some live in you to be called undead in my opinion.
We are not undead because we are completely alive barring a few cells.		2009-10-24 15:13:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

Being undead is basically being realive but that's not a word and sounds terrible so yeah you are right and your friend is wrong!2009-10-24 15:25:00

Author:
iGotFancyPants
Posts: 1355

But if you go with the work unkind that means not kind.2009-10-24 15:29:00

Author:
adlingtont
Posts: 321

undead is just a lamons term for reanimated or reliving you have to be dead for these things to happen so yeah you are right your freind is wrong.2009-10-24 15:34:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

The "un" means not. Simple as. There is no emphasis on being dead and coming back to life. so technically your friend is right, if you want to deconstruct the word into its component parts. However:

Undead is a term that was invented to be distinctly different from alive and dead. If you die and come back to life you are alive. If you are neither living nor dead, then you are undead.		2009-10-24 15:42:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

You're right, you're friend is wrong. End of discussion.

By the way, you may want to get some new friends. How could you live with yourself knowing that this person doesn't understand the concept of "undead"?! Next thing you know, you'll have to explain why a vampire biting you doesn't automatically make you a vampire! Noobs... 		2009-10-24 15:48:00

Author:
supersickie
Posts: 1366

Actually it's impossible to tell. If we have "one life", we might not consider us "undead" because we wouldn't have been dead before. If ever we have multiple lives (reincarnation in other bodies, not resurrection) then you could consider yourself "undead" in a way once you're not in your first life anymore.

Anyways, its discussion for nothing because "Undead" means a dead that lives. It's pure fantasy because being dead and living are opposites. (there's a name for that kind of words, I don't know how its called in english).

.		2009-10-24 16:51:00

Author:
RangerZero
Posts: 3901

well if you wanted to be stupid and take apart a word and give it a wider definition than yea. dinosuar means big lizard...that doesnt mean a monitor lizard is a dinosuar2009-10-24 16:52:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

Actually it's impossible to tell. If we have "one life", we might not consider us "undead" because we wouldn't have been dead before. If ever we have multiple lives (reincarnation in other bodies, not resurrection) then you could consider yourself "undead" in a way once you're not in your first life anymore.

Anyways, its discussion for nothing because "Undead" means a dead that lives. It's pure fantasy because being dead and living are opposites. (there's a name for that kind of words, I don't know how its called in english).

.

You're looking for "oxymoron". 		2009-10-24 16:56:00

Author:
supersickie
Posts: 1366

dinosaur means big terrible lizard

Fixed for you 		2009-10-24 16:56:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

You're looking for "oxymoron".

thank you!

I saw this word before but couldn't remember.

.		2009-10-24 17:50:00

Author:
RangerZero
Posts: 3901

Thanks for the input, guys.2009-10-24 21:20:00

Author:
dandygandy2704
Posts: 1002

I thought they were referred to as the living dead?2009-10-25 01:28:00

Author:
creelers
Posts: 275

Undead means dead before. Therefore we are not undead. I hope you have told your friend about his, potentially life threatening mistake.

....

2009-10-25 01:41:00

Author:
moleynator
Posts: 2914

If you are neither living nor dead, then you are undead.


Then why don't they call it undeadliving?		2009-10-25 01:55:00

Author:
srgt_poptart
Posts: 425

Undead means dead before. Therefore we are not undead. I hope you have told your friend about his, potentially life threatening mistake.

....


I did, don't worry. But he said something about something I don't remember and we got nowhere. I pulled the undo example out, but he didn't really buy it.		2009-10-25 14:10:00

Author:
dandygandy2704
Posts: 1002

I pulled the undo example out, but he didn't really buy it.

Is that because of the exmples of unkind, unbeliever, unknowingly, unable, unconscionable, unforgiven....

The "un" simply means not 		2009-10-25 14:22:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

You're looking for "oxymoron".

well... thats correct, but only in context, For example, if it said the living dead it would be oxymoron,
But if it said... something, it would be Juxtaposition,

and anyway, Anthropomorphism really plays a big part in this, because without a brain it wouldnt display human emotions so it wouldnt technically be alive,		2009-10-25 14:42:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Out of curiosity, I've been trying to find a precise definition of Dead as separate from Death.

Semantically, if Dead simply means "Not Alive" as opposed to "Has Been Terminated", then yes, technically we've all been dead before - for almost the entirety of the history of the universe, in fact. I have been in the state identical to the state of death by this definition, as my brain was disassembled, did not function, I held no thoughts, and my body was in pieces.

Regardless though, rtm is right in that the term undead refers to a conjectural state that is neither alive nor dead.		2009-10-25 14:48:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

I have been in the state identical to the state of death by this definition, as my brain was disassembled, did not function, I held no thoughts, and my body was in pieces.

Whaaaa...? 		2009-10-25 14:55:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

Whaaaa...?

In the sense that for a great deal of time, I had not yet been born.

If dead simply means not alive, I was dead when the dinosaurs roamed ... and honestly, I fail to find any objective difference whether we're talking about before or after my life occurs.

(In retrospect, perhaps unassembled would have been a better term than disassembled)		2009-10-25 14:58:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

Let's just say 'Survivors' and 'Zombies'.

Saves us all the comflooshin.		2009-10-25 16:37:00

Author:
TheMarvelousHat
Posts: 542

In the sense that for a great deal of time, I had not yet been born.

If dead simply means not alive, I was dead when the dinosaurs roamed ... and honestly, I fail to find any objective difference whether we're talking about before or after my life occurs.

(In retrospect, perhaps unassembled would have been a better term than disassembled)



...thats it...jagrevi is the smartest person i know!!!...and wow...		2009-10-25 18:02:00

Author:
theswweet
Posts: 2468

Let's just say 'Survivors' and 'Zombies'.

Saves us all the comflooshin.

The word "survivor" still has some implication on comparative "life status", I think.		2009-10-26 15:28:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

oh for crimonys sake2009-10-26 16:12:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Zombies are very much surviving, in fact in most zombie films / games etc. the zombies seem to do a better job of surviving than the "survivors" do. Certainly plenty of confusion there if you go looking for it 2009-10-26 17:33:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Survivor in the context of zombie horror is anyone who has "survived" the zombie epidemic by remaining human. By which I mean not a zombie, so don't start going "ZOMBIES IS HUMANS TECHNICALLY!" on me.2009-10-26 20:27:00

Author:
dandygandy2704
Posts: 1002

Survivor in the context of zombie horror is anyone who has "survived" the zombie epidemic by remaining human. By which I mean not a zombie, so don't start going "ZOMBIES IS HUMANS TECHNICALLY!" on me.

When a debate is on the appropriateness of terms in a subject, simply stating what is meant by the terms is not really substantive. We all know what is meant by these terms explicitly.

What we're talking about is the implicit, which is a very relevant issue in many cases. (Bias and unsaid assumptions in language have a large influence on culture and the way we think. It's worth taking time, for example, to reflect on various world languages and their application of gendered terms.)

Now here we happen to be talking about zombies, which may be a relevant discussion in that has us exploring the concept of death more explicitly, but admittedly, it is in somewhat of a silly context. That being said, "when I say 'X' I mean this" isn't really a counterargument.

We all know that's what you mean when you say "X". That's not what's being debated. We're debating the implicit - that which we say that we don't necessarily mean.		2009-10-26 21:17:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

Cheers for clearing that up dandy, I can't believe I never managed to work that out for myself. However, you are wrong about one thing... zombies are humans

TBH, I'd guess your friend's misinterpretation of the word is deliberate and his motive was simple: to wind you up.		2009-10-26 23:23:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

I think that undead means that something died and is now alive.2009-10-27 02:32:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

Cheers for clearing that up dandy, I can't believe I never managed to work that out for myself. However, you are wrong about one thing... zombies are humans

TBH, I'd guess your friend's misinterpretation of the word is deliberate and his motive was simple: to wind you up.*facepalm*

And, yeah, I'm sure it was. He's the kind of guy that says stupid stuff just to see what people do. I just thought I'd get your opinion on the matter.

@jag: Yeah? Well... NO U! Just kidding. I kinda get what you're going for here, but it seemed like a lot of people were missing the point of what "survivor" meant in this sense, explicitly, implicitly, connotatively, denotatively, whatever. And, anyway, I think that survivor is the best term for a non-zombie in an epidemic/breakout/apocalypse/whatever you care to call it. I mean, what else could you really say? Depending on the context of the zombies (genetic mutations, rare strains of viruses, etc.) there are different terms to describe them, deeper than "zombie". Take the virus example, for example; a zombie could just as easily be called an "infected". Thus, a survivor could just as easily be called an "uninfected" or some such, yes? With all the possibilities, sometimes it's best to just stick with zombies and survivors.		2009-10-27 20:40:00

Author:
dandygandy2704
Posts: 1002

Depending on the context of the zombies (genetic mutations, rare strains of viruses, etc.) there are different terms to describe them, deeper than "zombie". Take the virus example, for example; a zombie could just as easily be called an "infected". Thus, a survivor could just as easily be called an "uninfected" or some such, yes? With all the possibilities, sometimes it's best to just stick with zombies and survivors.

I have to completely agree here.

The word "zombie" is so loaded with mythology, that even if something similar or even almost identical were to happen in reality, we should undoubtedly not call them zombies, because the word already has so many implications.

(For the record, I am in no way giving credence to the idea that a zombie-style outbreak in the human population is within the realm of realistic probability)		2009-10-28 04:22:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

That's it. It's official.

Jagrevi is a secret zombie.		2009-10-28 04:39:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

So if undead means you were dead but came back to life...what are people who were revived after their heart stopped for a short period of time...cuz that happens...does that make them undead?2009-10-28 07:24:00

Author:
Theap Pleman
Posts: 670

So if undead means you were dead but came back to life...what are people who were revived after their heart stopped for a short period of time...cuz that happens...does that make them undead?

Now you're digging into the definition of "dead" again.

I wouldn't say "stopped heart" means you're dead, but it is A symptom!

Remember when Michael Jackson died, that UCLA hospital we all heard about that were able to revive people hours after their hearts stopped?

From here (http://newsone.com/entertainment/jacksons-hospital-had-reputation-for-reviving-the-dead/):


A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2 hours.

Tested on a few dozen cardiac arrest patients, 80 percent survived. Usually, more than 80 percent perish.

...

Buckberg?s method requires:

_Prompt CPR ? rhythmic chest compressions ? to maintain blood pressure until the patient gets to a hospital.

_Use of a heart-lung machine to keep blood and oxygen moving through the body while doctors remedy what caused the heart to quiver or stop in the first place, such as a drug overdose or a clogged artery.

_Special procedures and medicines to gradually restore blood and oxygen flow, so a sudden gush does not cause fresh damage.

Without all three elements, patients might suffer brain damage if they survive at all.

So, in this instance, the "dead" patient was given PROMPT support, in the form of technology that essentially kept the body functionally alive while they fixed what the problem was.

Being that it worked, I wonder if you could actually apply the term "dead" to them at any point in that 2 1/2 hours. Obviously we don't have a real working definition of it. We can say "it's the point of no return", but at this point, the region from whence you can return is something of a hazy gulf.

When it comes to details, I don't think we HAVE a real definition for dead!

Therefore, everyone is a zombie, forever.		2009-10-28 07:48:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

this threads getting confusing, 2009-10-28 11:03:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

this threads getting confusing,

No, no, it's easy, check it out. We're not sure at what point you become dead, and if undead means return-from-dead or "not dead", and therefore, it's a 100% certainty that everyone is a zombie, forever.

Can you spot the jump in logic?

No you can't, because there isn't one, not anywhere!

Brains for everyone!		2009-10-28 12:40:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

Ya know... I thought I was undead once.

I was doing some stuff at home then everything suddenly went dark and got all spooky quiet. I could still move around and be all animated, but couldn't see anything clearly. I got really scared and tried to call out for help, but it came out as moaning and such. Mmmmph mpmmmmmph.. murrrrrrr!!!

The all of a sudden the power came back on and realized I was fine. I found out the moaning was simply due to the peanut butter sandwich I was still munching on.

So I guess I got better! Close call huh!? 		2009-10-28 13:04:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Ya know... I thought I was undead once.

I was doing some stuff at home then everything suddenly went dark and got all spooky quiet. I could still move around and be all animated, but couldn't see anything clearly. I got really scared and tried to call out for help, but it came out as moaning and such. Mmmmph mpmmmmmph.. murrrrrrr!!!

The all of a sudden the power came back on and realized I was fine. I found out the moaning was simply due to the peanut butter sandwich I was still munching on.

So I guess I got better! Close call huh!?

Wow, that's terrifying!! I once had a zombie encounter at the grocery store. This guy had his arms straight out and he was screaming 'BRAAAINS!', and blood was coming out of his mouth, and his eyes were all crazy. Well, it should go without saying that I proceeded to scream "Get away from me, you zombie freak!", punched him in the face, and then grabbed a bag of turkish delights and got the hell out of there.

Well, it turned out I was a little mistaken. The guy had his arms out because he was reaching for a box of orange juice on the shelf. He wasn't screaming "BRAAAINS", he was saying, "Oh, cool, not from concentrate!". The blood coming from his mouth wasn't blood, but words, and his crazy eyes were actually regular eyes.

Boy did I have egg on my face!		2009-10-28 13:24:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

Wow, that's terrifying!! I once had a zombie encounter at the grocery store. This guy had his arms straight out and he was screaming 'BRAAAINS!', and blood was coming out of his mouth, and his eyes were all crazy. Well, it should go without saying that I proceeded to scream "Get away from me, you zombie freak!", punched him in the face, and then grabbed a bag of turkish delights and got the hell out of there.

Well, it turned out I was a little mistaken. The guy had his arms out because he was reaching for a box of orange juice on the shelf. He wasn't screaming "BRAAAINS", he was saying, "Oh, cool, not from concentrate!". The blood coming from his mouth wasn't blood, but words, and his crazy eyes were actually regular eyes.

Boy did I have egg on my face!

Wow! I bet you did!! Scrambled or sunny side up?		2009-10-28 14:07:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

When it comes to details, I don't think we HAVE a real definition for dead!

Therefore, everyone is a zombie, forever.

There is a trend in human thought where, for practical reasons, we find two things that are separate and give them distinct labels. Eventually, when we analyze these models, we attempt to find the border between our labels and get confused, as rather than an actual border, the things we were trying to identify were instead far removed conditions on a spectrum.

e.g., "on what day does a child become an adult? On their 18th birthday? Were they really significantly different the day before?"

"Alive" and "Dead" seem to be very much this same thing. There is a spectrum that exists of states of biological function - but in everyday life, we usually (primarily) deal with and are concerned with two specific states along this spectrum that are quite clearly distinct, so mentally, and linguistically, we set up a bit of a false duality around biological function.

Now, it's a duality that helps us, it's a model that helps us analyze things in a way to keep ourselves alive, so it has obvious "survival value". However, it is still not fundamentally accurate, and creates moral conundrums in many instances because our common analytical model is not as complex as reality.

So issues arise around things like stem cell research, where to draw distinctions in abortion practice, and so forth, I would argue, because we have trouble fitting our model appropriately.		2009-10-28 15:21:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

Basically, the way I see it, is that something that is undead is a human(or other sort of earthling) that has no soul, or in the case of ghosts and the like, no soul and/or physical form.2009-10-29 02:03:00

Author:
Searif
Posts: 10

Well in that case, since athiests don't have a religion and don't believe in people having souls, are they dead, and therefore zombies?2009-10-29 02:24:00

Author:
Theap Pleman
Posts: 670

Basically, the way I see it, is that something that is undead is a human(or other sort of earthling) that has no soul.

I'm treading down this road carefully, so if I step on any toes tell me to stop and this part of the conversation ends right now, but this is the topic we're discussing so let's let it flow naturally for the time being, because I think it's important ...

This "soul" of yours, what is it, how does it interact with living organisms, and how do you know it exists?


Well in that case, since athiests don't have a religion and don't believe in people having souls, are they dead, and therefore zombies?

Atheists are not the only non-dualists out there, there are non-dualist religious stances as well, and to be fair, there are some atheists who actually are dualists, at least historically, but these are not very common now as most modern-day atheists reach their stance simply out of some degree of rationalism, which itself tends to preclude any attributing of phenomena to supernatural/magical forces.

However, I'd like to point out that your statement presumes that whatever one believes is true for the individual. I'd put forth that this is not the case. I think the fact that people who believe they can fly under their own personal power in fact cannot makes this quite evident.

I am an atheist - more specifically and to the point, I am a rationalist - but were I for some reason wrong and, say, Mt. Olympus was real (in it's mythological form) and we all did in fact have to cross the river Styx after death, I think that that would be true of all us, regardless of what we believed.

In short, I'm claiming that when it comes to objective matters, and discounting some situations regarding quantum physics, there is one truth, and that many of us are simply wrong. You and I share an objective reality, regardless as to what degree you understand it, or I understand it.

EDIT: To clarify, I used the term "Dualism". Dualism, in the sense I'm using it, is the premise that "mind" cannot be defined based on material principles. That it would be impossible to construct a mind using only matter and energy, and that it is qualitatively separate, usually attributed to some analog to a ghost, or to some other supernatural concept of 'spirit'.

Non-dualism would simply be the opposite. That mind is emergent from matter and energy, and does not exist on any kind of special supernatural plane.		2009-10-29 02:27:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

I, too, am an atheist, and as long as we're talking objective reality, I'm going to go ahead and let the cat out of the bag.

I'm sorry about this Jagrevi, but I'm going to tell them our secret.

But yes, in fact all atheists are zombies. It's true, it's kind of a secret we don't usually tell people. For the most part we go about our daily lives regularly, but believe me, we're raging zombies every one.		2009-10-29 02:45:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

The only time the un- prefix is used is if something was like that before, but isn't now. So you are right.2009-10-29 02:46:00

Author:
Darth J464
Posts: 343

I, too, am an atheist, and as long as we're talking objective reality, I'm going to go ahead and let the cat out of the bag.

I'm sorry about this Jagrevi, but I'm going to tell them our secret.

But yes, in fact all atheists are zombies. It's true, it's kind of a secret we don't usually tell people. For the most part we go about our daily lives regularly, but believe me, we're raging zombies every one.

You aren't suppose to tell them!

Now how are we suppose to eat their delicious religious brains!?!		2009-10-29 02:47:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

really? means terrible lizard? all dinosuars werent terrible
i now change it to big lizard because they were all relatively big		2009-10-29 02:59:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

I don't know it exists or not, just saying that is the way I see it. and in terms of athiests, just because they don't believe in souls it doesn't mean they don't have one.

also, by no means am I saying that I know that souls are real or the like, but if the undead ever come into existence I may consider the fact that they are.		2009-10-30 03:27:00

Author:
Searif
Posts: 10

The only time the un- prefix is used is if something was like that before, but isn't now. So you are right.


unkind, unbeliever, unknowingly, unable, unconscionable, unforgiven....

The "un" simply means not

Can I get a dollar for everyone that ignores my perfectly valid point on the technicalities here? Is there a way we can make that happen?


I don't know it exists or not, just saying that is the way I see it. and in terms of athiests, just because they don't believe in souls it doesn't mean they don't have one.
By that logic, just because you do believe in souls, doesn't mean you do have one... Anyway, how would you detect the existance / non-existance of a soul in a zombie, to make the decision whether or not to pull the trigger?


@jagrevi: We can still eat their spiritualistic mental goo the same way we always have.... by tricking them! Religious people always fall for the "hey john, it's [insert deity] on the phone for you", so just distract them with that. They even fall for it when their name isn't john, it's crazy.		2009-10-30 14:23:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

@jagrevi: We can still eat their spiritualistic mental goo the same way we always have.... by tricking them! Religious people always fall for the "hey john, it's [insert deity] on the phone for you", so just distract them with that. They even fall for it when their name isn't john, it's crazy.

To be fair, I'm pretty sure this trick wouldn't work if you named a deity from a cultural tradition that was not their own.

I'm sure if I found one, held up my cell phone, and said "hey john, it's Xiuhcoatl on the phone for you", for example, that they would realize I was up to something.		2009-10-30 16:50:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

Or they think: "Oh, haven't heard from him in a while. Must be something important" 2009-10-30 17:26:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

I'm sure if I found one, held up my cell phone, and said "hey john, it's Xiuhcoatl on the phone for you", for example, that they would realize I was up to something.


Oh cool!! "Hello!! ...Hello? Awwww.. I think the line just went dead"


2009-10-30 17:30:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Or they think: "Oh, haven't heard from him in a while. Must be something important"

Nah, he only rings when he wants something, bloody freeloader.



Oh cool!! "Hello!! ...Hello? Awwww.. I think the line just went dead.... argh, my brains, what are you gaaarrbbllaaarrgghheszx....."

I think that's how it would actually go 		2009-10-30 17:37:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Can I get a dollar for everyone

Yaay! lack of grammar makes us money!


Braaaiiiins...		2009-10-30 18:34:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Yaay! lack of grammar makes us money!

Not really, you just quoted half of my sentence. I'm sure technically it whould be "for everyone who", but it's still open to interpretation...


I saw the man on the hill with a telescope

Who has the telescope? While your pondering that, I'm gonna saw your head open and eat your brains. Omnomnomnomnom.		2009-10-30 18:47:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

While your pondering that, I'm gonna saw your head open and eat your brains. Omnomnomnomnom.

A bit of an aside, I just have to say that "nomnom" is by far the best "onomatopoeia-esque activity imitation" I've ever known.

http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/goat-doughboy.png		2009-10-30 19:04:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

erm RTM im an atheist, RTM Stop!!!! noooooooooooooooooooooo!!! just eat jwwphotos instead!!2009-10-30 19:05:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Somehow, somewhere, my discussion of zombies turned into a discussion on the existence of the soul... I'm backing out now, before I say something religious and get in trouble...2009-10-30 22:38:00

Author:
dandygandy2704
Posts: 1002

Actually, that was discussed very little. What the thread really turned into is zombie ambush tactics.2009-10-30 23:33:00

Author:
Jagrevi
Posts: 1154

that has to go into ARDs Sig2009-10-31 00:22:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078


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