Archive: 31 posts

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I want to start saying that F4F is a smart idea. It's cool, it allows creators to share tips, it grants some more plays...it's a good thing...when it's done properly. The problem is that there's a certain lack of mature behaviour. I expect that when I play a level that is tagged with F4F, and ask a feedback, I will get it. I shouldn't have to beg people to "give me something they owe me". It's kinda rude said that way (mind my English), but it's a "certain kind of contract": I play your level and spot good and bad things, and you do the same for mine. People is starting this when puts the tag F4F on their threads. I'm disappointed to hear, after 2 or 3 weeks, that people is busy or other stories, because, with a certain degree of certainty we know what we have to do in the closest future, so we know if we have, or not have, the time to play 4 or 15 or 56 levels. I know that I'm stupid and I shouldn't expect maturity and respect on the internet, but I also think that it's correct to not tag the level F4F if you know that you are not able to reply to the feedback. There's a lot of people that plays the levels even if they're not F4F, just because they love to, and people that creates level that are not F4F...and there's people that only does an amount of F4F. What I finally ask is that people has to be mature when they decide to ask people feedback. Many people here do what they do with sheer passion, good willing, lots of time and kindness, and that's not a reason to take advantage of their friendly behaviour. So, for people that doesn't respect a F4F within 10 days, and don't even send an explanation via pm, I ask that the administration do something...a warning, a 2 day ban, whatever, but people should be mature and no one has to beg a play. Sorry for the long rant.

2009-10-13 07:27:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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Well, if you ever believe someone is abusing the F4F, you can PM any mod/admin and we'll help you get to the bottom of it, most members here are especially kind and I don't think they'd ignore you or anyone else for that matter, on purpose. You'll also have to take into account that there could be slight emergencies that hold these people back from fulfilling their jobs, so you should always give the person the benefit of the doubt. Anyways yeah, if you feel someone is being abusive about it, send one of us a PM and we'll help you get it sorted out.

2009-10-13 07:34:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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Whaale, it's not a case about abuse, it's a case about maturity. There shouldn't be a telltale...only some guide lines. People behave a little better when is well guided. Really sad...but true

2009-10-13 07:45:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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There's really no difference. Immaturity leads to abuse of the system, and without you guys reporting it, there's nothing that we can do about it. Don't expect us to be able to wrap up every situation in a neat little package if we're not even made aware of the issue in the first place. In any case, everyone is directed to this thread (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=7962) when they first enter the level/object showcase, which has instructions on dealing with F4F abuse. If you haven't been getting feedback in return, then you should have been reporting it to a staff member so we can sort it out somehow. Just be sure to follow the steps in the aforementioned thread (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=7962) so you don't report everything right away. Lots of times, it's just a case of forgetfulness, and a simple PM reminder clears it up.

2009-10-14 14:23:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Y'know, I must be honest, I've fallen into this trap before. I've tagged my level with F4F before realising that I cannot keep up with the requests. I'm hoping with most people it's not a deliberate and 'immature' act, but instead a sheer lack of time. I can't write much more, at school -__-

2009-10-14 15:39:00 Author: KoRnDawwg Posts: 1424

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I tend to play someone's level as F4F, but then totally forget to put in any feedback in there thread. I'm very forgetful guys, so PM me if I owe you F4F!

2009-10-14 16:35:00 Author: Coxy224 Posts: 2645

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Personally I usually PM when I can't return feddback in a short period of time. It happened also that I received feedback in return after 2 weeks or someting. It happened that I didn't received feedback in return but the activity rate of the user showed 0%. When I start a F4f thread I always only return feedback for the first week, and lately I begun stating in the first post that I won't return feedback to post similar to this (that can seem an abuse under certain points of view): Great level! I loved it! And all that obstacles was very fun! F4F: level title That's NOT a feedback (though it's happened the same, I returned something like: I dind't liked your level very much). Instead, when I'm catching feedback I only post in well known users' thread for not to waste my (few) spare time...

2009-10-14 17:08:00 Author: Miglioshin Posts: 336

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Whaaaale... you've copied my avatar. Sort of. Anyway, I have to confess I'm guilty of this. I still haven't returned all F4F's for Clockworx, and that was a couple of months ago now. To be honest, I didn't really know what I was getting myself in for, having only joined the forums a few days before. And I wish I hadn't bothered with F4F, because at the time I didn't realise that it would take me forever to get round to doing it. Returning feedback seemed like a great idea at the itme and I fully intended to do it, but for some reason it just didn't go as planned. Never fear though - I will be doing it soon.

2009-10-14 17:55:00 Author: Nuclearfish Posts: 927

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Whaaaale... you've copied my avatar. Sort of. Lol, off topic, but I hope you're kidding... look around...

2009-10-14 17:56:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338

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Lol, off topic, but I hope you're kidding... look around... Oh. Erm. Yes....... of course I knew...... *runs away before I look too much like an idiot for not realising what was going on*

2009-10-14 18:01:00 Author: Nuclearfish Posts: 927

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I used the tag a couple times, but didn't really bother with it after awhile.. I tried to get everyone back with feedback anyway just out of common courtesy and in hopes of finding a fun level to play either way. I always liked playing levels and giving feedback even if I didn't have a recent level out at the time. Some people just snub everyone anyway, so don't take it personal lol I actually know I still owe a couple people feedback, and it bugs me. On top of that, I wanted feedback from people who weren't looking for a favor and just gave me some honest point blank bug fixes, and likes/dislikes, or were just excited to play it... not having the F4F tag sometimes makes people skip over your thread though if they're not familiar with your name.

2009-10-14 19:09:00 Author: Unknown User

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I don't think people should only give feedback on levels just to get something in return, if i give feedback to an F4F level the return feedback is just a nice bonus You shouldn't pressure people so much into returning feedback, just sent them a PM incase they forgot and if they can't get around to it then just know what to expect next time you see one of their levels tagged F4F.

2009-10-14 19:13:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100

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I think in general it works well, and its certainly a way to get feedback where there are SOOOOO many levels being added constantly. However, a few things come to mind as a suggestion to those using it: 1. If someone gives you "Good level. F4F: Level" quality feedback... give them the same. No one says you have to give detailed feedback if they put no effort into giving you feedback. 2. When you give feedback on someone elses thread.... ASK they give you feedback. Sometimes I have not realized someone even wanted a reciprocation of the feedback (had a guy send me a message 2 months after he gave me feedback to remind me.... I looked on my thread and he had never asked me to do feedback). 3. If you want GOOD feedback, pick a creator who is mature and gives decent feedback and give them feedback on their thread. I personally leave a couple F4F threads out there JUST to give members a chance to get decent F4F.

2009-10-14 19:23:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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It's nice to F4F everyone, but it can be too hard. Look at NinjamicMZ, for example. Most of his levels are about 10 pages long in weeks! I try to do small stuff. Most people should. Threads with about 5 people giving each other F4F is decent, but 1 person giving 20 people F4F Ain't right, even when they didn't do much F4F. Edit: Darn you, You ruined the point Cuz!

2009-10-14 19:29:00 Author: Ninteen45 Posts: 67

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It's nice to F4F everyone, but it can be too hard. Look at NinjamicMZ, for example. Most of his levels are about 10 pages long in weeks! I try to do small stuff. Most people should. Threads with about 5 people giving each other F4F is decent, but 1 person giving 20 people F4F Ain't right, even when they didn't do much F4F. Edit: Darn you, You ruined the point Cuz! Sorry.... But, keep in mind - ANY creator who wants to can turn off the "F4F" setting on their thread if they don't want to do it anymore. Obviously, I have enough feedback on my levels, but I leave them out there just in case anyone wants to get my attention. Besides, I'm sure myself and other more experienced creators like helping some of the newer creators with their levels. I find it kind of fun... but if it gets overwhelming, I'll turn off the F4F designation on my levels for a bit.

2009-10-14 19:45:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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I'll use this chance to ask something that's been bugging me for a while: If you open a F4F thread, and somebody gives you feedback, but they don't specifically say "please return the feedbacks on my level..." or something along those lines, are you supposed to F4F them back? Because if you're supposed to, I sure have a problem.

2009-10-14 20:01:00 Author: Keldur Posts: 628

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F4F cannot be perfect. I don't have bad experiences personally but I wouldn't be surprised it happens. Thing is, you give feedback like good will, without asking anything in returns. If it comes back it comes back. If it doesn't, well, tuff luck. I personally don't have time to give all people feedback because i'm always creating in my short gaming time but when I receive a feedback, I return the favor. If you don't have fairly new levels or only levels with alot of feedback already, I will ask you in pm how you'd like to receive your due. Many of the popular creators also receive alot of feedback and they also give alot. This is perfect fine. Thing is, you don't necessarily need to give back feedback at the person that gave it to you. .

2009-10-14 20:04:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Keldur: Technically, the "F4F" rules say that you would give feedbac on a "F4F" thread and would REQUEST the creator give you feedback in return. I don't think its enough to put it in your sig - you MUST ask for F4F if you want it. So I, personally, don't think you have a problem - if no one requested feedback and they WANTED it, they should have read the rules (actually... I just looked and have no idea where the F4F rules are now... ) RangerZero: I agree this is true if you haven't created a F4F thread. But if you DO create a F4F thread, you should be willing to comply with the rules... which is to give feedback to those requesting it. Now, I think it's completely valid to say "I'll give F4F for the first 10 people who reply on this thread". That way, you've set a limit and can turn off the F4F when you're finished. I agree with OmegaSlayer... it's a contract. And considering the 7-days-on-cool-pages, waiting a week or two to reciprocate isn't useful. When you release a level, you'd like to know quickly the issues so you get a better reception for your level... so getting feedback is really important.

2009-10-14 20:17:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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I'll use this chance to ask something that's been bugging me for a while: If you open a F4F thread, and somebody gives you feedback, but they don't specifically say "please return the feedbacks on my level..." or something along those lines, are you supposed to F4F them back? Because if you're supposed to, I sure have a problem. Keldur, check it out. From CC himself, he was asked this question by a member... And what do I do if someone gives me feedback for my level, but they have 2 F4F levels in their signature? Do I just choose a level to review? CC replied... If they don't specify, you have two options: one, you can ask them which they prefer, or two, you can pick one yourself. When in doubt, pick the most recent level posted - usually, that's the one the Creator wants feedback on as it's probably their latest level. Yet I don't know, might want to check the thread yourself. (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=7962&)

2009-10-14 20:55:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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Keldur, check it out. From CC himself, he was asked this question by a member... CC replied... Yet I don't know, might want to check the thread yourself. (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=7962&) In the rules at the beginning of the mentioned thread: "Once someone leaves feedback, they will specify which level they'd like feedback for. Play the level, navigate to that level's thread in the Showcase, and leave feedback in their thread." This is what I've been going by, and it makes sense to me. If people are expecting F4F without asking for it, we may want to qualify that in the header of the thread so its clear.

2009-10-14 21:19:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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From now on in feedback for feedback, I'll say "Give me feedback or I'll report you for abuse." lol jk

2009-10-14 23:37:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251

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Never really got the whole F4F thing to be honest, nobody can anticipate how many responses they're going to get prior to posting, so they've no way of knowing whether they'll have time to respond to all comments or not. Plus I hate to say it, but a few of the comments have seemed a tad insincere anyway. I can't help but think that some folks will say any old beaulox just to up their chances of getting a glowing report back. If I ever get round to showcasing a level, I'd want people to comment because they enjoyed the level, not because I'm dangling feedback carrots in their faces. Just my 2 cents.. ever the cynic lol. Carry on!

2009-10-15 00:14:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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Never really got the whole F4F thing to be honest, nobody can anticipate how many responses they're going to get prior to posting, so they've no way of knowing whether they'll have time to respond to all comments or not. Plus I hate to say it, but a few of the comments have seemed a tad insincere anyway. I can't help but think that some folks will say any old beaulox just to up their chances of getting a glowing report back. If I ever get round to showcasing a level, I'd want people to comment because they enjoyed the level, not because I'm dangling feedback carrots in their faces. Just my 2 cents.. ever the cynic lol. Carry on! From reading the replies on here, it's obvious that most people don't really understand the F4F feature, which frightens me because we make it very clear in a New Update when people enter the Level Showcase. Anyway, for those of you who don't know, you can specify how many F4Fs you want to do. If you're only up for 5, say so in your Showcase Thread! Also, to touch on something brought up earlier: if someone leaves feedback for your level and you don't see any obvious signs of a level that they want feedback on, you can assume they don't want feedback. It's up to the person leaving the feedback, not to the person that will owe feedback.

2009-10-15 01:09:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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From reading the replies on here, it's obvious that most people don't really understand the F4F feature, which frightens me because we make it very clear in a New Update when people enter the Level Showcase. Anyway, for those of you who don't know, you can specify how many F4Fs you want to do. If you're only up for 5, say so in your Showcase Thread! Eek! Don't be frightened! Like I say I've never even showcased a a level, so I should've kept my mouth shut. Im sure those that actually do use the feature will be fully aware of the rules. My apologies.

2009-10-15 09:45:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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But, keep in mind - ANY creator who wants to can turn off the "F4F" setting on their thread if they don't want to do it anymore. I learn something new every day Thanks! EDIT: For those that don't know, that option is in the 'advanced' edit mode near the top of the post. you can specify how many F4Fs you want to do. If you're only up for 5, say so in your Showcase Thread! I was going to suggest this but CC beat me to it. I appreciate creators who specify exactly how many F4F's they are willing to do, because they obviously cannot F4F 50 times if their level gets popular. If more creators did this, I think it could solve F4F problems that omegaslayer originally mentioned.

2009-10-15 14:53:00 Author: Powershifter Posts: 668

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RangerZero: I agree this is true if you haven't created a F4F thread. But if you DO create a F4F thread, you should be willing to comply with the rules... which is to give feedback to those requesting it. Read me right, I said I return the favor to those who give me feedback. In short, I pretty much go like this: -You request = I give you feedback -You don't request but give good feedback = I will in your things and see if I can give you some. I might give feedback to someone else. -You don't request and don't give good feedback = sorry I don't have time. .

2009-10-15 17:31:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Read me right, I said I return the favor to those who give me feedback. In short, I pretty much go like this: -You request = I give you feedback -You don't request but give good feedback = I will in your things and see if I can give you some. I might give feedback to someone else. -You don't request and don't give good feedback = sorry I don't have time. . I may have been a bit confused of what you were saying, but it sounded like a good "philosophy" for dealing with feedback - and a darned good one. However, F4F has exact rules which are outlined in the feedback-for-feedback thread. I was just pointing that out. But, I definately agree that if someone doesn't give good feedback, it defeats the system. For instance "Love it! Great level! F4F - Please look at....".

2009-10-15 19:02:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Thats why when i post in the level showcase i dont mark my thread as F4F cause i know i just wont actually want to do it so much. Its a good system though!

2009-10-15 22:45:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419

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However, F4F has exact rules which are outlined in the feedback-for-feedback thread. I was just pointing that out. But, I definately agree that if someone doesn't give good feedback, it defeats the system. For instance "Love it! Great level! F4F - Please look at....". Yep. This is why I usually remove the F4F header after a week. But let me add a thing: It happens that I'm hunting feedback for one of my levels, and reading the showcase I usually go for the thread with less posts in it, trying to give the best and exaustive feedback I can (that do not absolutely means it will be ''positive'&apos, but, a couple of time I received back a bad feedback (the instance). I can assume it was bad luck, but, I want to stress that if someone choose to start a F4F thread; he/she HAS TO return (under the statements i.e. for the first 5 people or every condition they stated in the starter) the BEST feedback they can. Am I right?

2009-10-15 22:51:00 Author: Miglioshin Posts: 336

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Yep. This is why I usually remove the F4F header after a week. But let me add a thing: It happens that I'm hunting feedback for one of my levels, and reading the showcase I usually go for the thread with less posts in it, trying to give the best and exaustive feedback I can (that do not absolutely means it will be ''positive'&apos, but, a couple of time I received back a bad feedback (the instance). I can assume it was bad luck, but, I want to stress that if someone choose to start a F4F thread; he/she HAS TO return (under the statements i.e. for the first 5 people or every condition they stated in the starter) the BEST feedback they can. Am I right? I think you're right, but at the same time you are going to get different levels of feedback based on the person giving the feedback. Obviously, based on past experience, there are certain mature and experienced creators who are capable of giving really good feedback (and you're one of them). If you're looking for the best feedback you can get, definately seek out the creators who will give the best feedback. I don't think we can expect the same level of feedback from everyone.

2009-10-15 23:26:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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If you're looking for the best feedback you can get, definately seek out the creators who will give the best feedback. I don't think we can expect the same level of feedback from everyone. Eeerrrrr... true. -_-

2009-10-15 23:43:00 Author: Miglioshin Posts: 336

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