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Before you guys say stuff, I checked the other threads. They're all for the sequel and/or have spoilers in them. Anyway, I'm thinking about picking this game up (likely just renting) but I wanted to know what you guys thought about it first. I know hardly anything about this game, so I figured I'd ask around and see what you guys think. Is it any good? How would you classify it, genre-wise? *insert other, similar questions here*

2009-09-18 22:24:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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Genre-wise, it's an excellent shooter, balancing difficulty with decent controls and the plasmid system really mixes things up. If you're not into horror/thriller you might still be okay with it if you play during the day and/or with friends, though there are a few 'jump-out-and-scare-you' moments. The greatest part of the entire thing, though, is the story. It's worth at least one good play-through, but if you're not an achievement wh- *ahem* scrounger like me, renting's a good idea.

2009-09-18 22:48:00 Author: Unknown User

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I was planning on renting it, anyway, since I don't really have the money to pay for it. By the way, about how long would a run of the story take me?

2009-09-18 22:51:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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OK my first trophy is 18/10/2008 11:47 and the last in that run was 21/10/2008 23:58 so thats 3 and a half days for 1 playthrough. Platinum was 25/10/2008 14:12 so thats another 3 and a half days. Guess it depends on how long you can play each day I started a third play through this week only playing 1-2 hours a night and I'm estimating it'll take a week.

2009-09-18 23:51:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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Try the demo . My fastest run was just a few hours, but the first time it will probably take a few days even on easy. I got slowly obsessed with BioShock and have now played through it multiple times on both 360 and PS3. I love the style and wanted to explore every corner of the game and find every upgrade and secret. Don't miss the challenge rooms puzzles on PS3. Downloadable content. Got a link for you: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/932/932948p1.html

2009-09-19 00:29:00 Author: Kipmonlin Posts: 251

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That game is AMAZING it was especilly fun, with plasmids.

2009-09-19 02:20:00 Author: hking0036 Posts: 28

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Try the demo . My fastest run was just a few hours, but the first time it will probably take a few days even on easy. I got slowly obsessed with BioShock and have now played through it multiple times on both 360 and PS3. I love the style and wanted to explore every corner of the game and find every upgrade and secret. Don't miss the challenge rooms puzzles on PS3. Downloadable content. Got a link for you: http://ps3.ign.com/articles/932/932948p1.htmlOooh, yeah. The demo. I guess I could do that, couldn't I? Really sounds like this game has some replay value, though, which is good. I'll probably get the demo today or tomorrow or something.

2009-09-20 15:01:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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The demo will probably sell you on this game. It really, really should not be missed. It's a smart game, it's absolutely packed with references and cross-references and metaphors. It's really cool when a videogame comes out that GearsOfWarFan30x can play and totally dig, and that also a philosopher major will play and appreciate on an intellectual level. But moreso than anything else, what this game has is atmosphere, and a freaking incredible setting. The underwater utopia of Rapture is a place I didn't want to leave, and it's a place I want to see more of. I wish the sequel didn't have such a case of "sequel-itis". I'd love to see a game in Rapture that ISN'T a shooter, and takes place BEFORE the fall. Don't worry, I'm not spoiling anything there. I just replayed it again recently, and had a great time. I would do so again in fact. Highly, highly recommended.

2009-09-21 10:37:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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I love the retro ,steampunkish theme in this game. The story and the twists are pretty awesome too. We need more steampunk style games >.<

2009-09-21 10:44:00 Author: snowyjoe Posts: 509

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Okay, guys. I take it from these responses that I need to play this game. I'mma go get the demo right nao.

2009-09-21 20:24:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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'Kay, so I rented the game. I just have one thing to say: HOLY STUFF! This game is amazing. Definitely one of the best games I've played in a while, and that's counting Dissidia and Crisis Core. (I'm a big RPG fan and I don't really like shooters, so that's saying a lot) I think I've killed about 3 Big Daddies already, and I saved right in front of the fourth. This game has some really intense moments, and I love them all. So, yeah, thanks for all the advice guys.

2009-09-24 22:40:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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thanks for updating us! Yeah, Bioshock's definitley something special. So you like RPGs more than shooters, do you? Then it'll probably kill you to know that Bioshock was originally envisioned more as a 1st person RPG type of game. They CHANGED it to a traditional FPS. I'd prefer the RPG, I DREAM of the Bioshock RPG. I'm no shooter fan either. But even then, Bioshock has a very special place on my shelf.

2009-09-24 22:45:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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So, it was originally supposed to be more like Oblivion or something? That would have been so totally amazing. Yeah, I like RPGs more than shooters, I think mostly due to replay value and the fact that I generally am not very good at shooters. I tell you, if I had the money, I would go buy this game today. I'm sure that I'll be coming back eventually.

2009-09-24 22:53:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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Maybe a bit like Oblivion - but with guns, so possibly closer to Fallout in the Bethesda universe. But even then, I think the closer model to what they were going for with the original vision of Bioshock is System Shock 2 and Deus Ex, which were released about a year apart. Obviously System Shock 2 was designed by the same guy (Ken Levine), and he's described Bioshock as its "spiritual successor" so it's a safe bet to expect that Bioshock would've been similar. I for one, am HUGELY disappointed that they went with FPS for this game, and I think that's a sign that this current frenzy over shooters really is affecting the content of great games, and giving us shooters where in the past we would have had RPGs. 2K is on record as saying that one of the chief reasons for the shift to full FPS is because the game "wasn't on track to become an accessible and marketable game". Another quote: "We wanted to get to the next level, moving beyond our suite of critically acclaimed games to make a blockbuster." So their goal was to create a best-seller. At the time, shooters were selling big (they still are). Hence: Bioshock, the FPS. So there you have it. The commercial popularity of shooters killed the Bioshock RPG. That's not to say that the game isn't amazing and absolutely worthwhile. It is. I would definitely plan on picking it up as soon as you can afford it - or perhaps it'll be added to the greatest hits collection? There's a movie in the works as well. Gore Verbinski, the director of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, was on board to direct and did most of the early development work on it, including script development and casting. He said that he was extremely happy with both the cast and the script, but he had to leave the project because he wasn't able or willing to move overseas for a year or so in order to make the film - wife and kids and all that. So now it's in the hands of Juan Fresnadillo, who did 28 Weeks Later (That's WEEKS, not DAYS), and I for one am extraordinarily skeptical that they got the right guy for the job. If it were me, I'd give this to David Lynch. But no studio in the world right now would give such a massive-budget, high-profile project to him. So we get Fresnadillo, and I REALLY hope this movie turns out good. But I remain massively skeptical.

2009-09-25 00:04:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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If you're disappointed about Gore Verbinski dropping off the Bioshock project (I assume from the context that you're a fan), just think of it this way: Peter Jackson was going to work on a Halo movie, but went on to make the utterly amazing District 9 instead. In other words, he'll probably go on and make something you like more than you would have liked his Bioshock movie. (Also, I think Peter Jackson could have made a great Halo movie if he'd used the actual backstory and not stuff from the game). As for the game, they're making a second one. Maybe they'll go the way of Fallout and have a revamp third title that makes it an RPG. It'd be awesome. Power-leveling and Loot-scrounging add so much replay value

2009-09-25 02:17:00 Author: Unknown User

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This game is legendary. If you don't have this game, you are really missing out. It has an excellent story, well placed scares, and is fantastically deep, forcing you to use strategy to take out opponents.

2009-09-25 02:24:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664

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If you're disappointed about Gore Verbinski dropping off the Bioshock project (I assume from the context that you're a fan), just think of it this way: Peter Jackson was going to work on a Halo movie, but went on to make the utterly amazing District 9 instead. In other words, he'll probably go on and make something you like more than you would have liked his Bioshock movie. (Also, I think Peter Jackson could have made a great Halo movie if he'd used the actual backstory and not stuff from the game). As for the game, they're making a second one. Maybe they'll go the way of Fallout and have a revamp third title that makes it an RPG. It'd be awesome. Power-leveling and Loot-scrounging add so much replay value I'm not a big Verbinski fan, I feel like his movies are much more about the scripts than the filmmaking. But he's good in casting. I was totally uninterested in 28 Weeks Later, never saw it, didn't hear great things about it. So definitely consider me bummed - I'd easily take Verbinski over this kid. As for Peter Jackson, he was only producing Halo, the director was a kid named Neil Blomkamp. It was Blomkamp who directed District 9, funded by Jackson. And believe it or not, I really didn't like District 9! big disappointment in my book. I'm keeping my Bioshock expectations very low, but it is a property that could potentially make an AMAZING movie, so it's still going to hurt if it disappoints.

2009-09-25 02:40:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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Didn't like District 9?!?!? I'm mildly surprised, but I guess if all comes down to what you like and what you were expecting.

2009-09-25 18:44:00 Author: Unknown User

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On the subject of FPSs killing Bioshock the RPG: That saddens me deeply. Still, it's a great game, and I think it being a shooter isn't really that bad. It makes sense for this kind of game to be a shooter. I can't see myself running around killing splicers for levels. Would ruin the experience. I think. On the subject of Bioshock the movie: In my opinion, (bolded for emphasis) it doesn't matter who directs/produces/whatever the movie, it's going to suck. Why? Video game movies always suck. You lose something in the translation. Yes, it's a very atmospheric, almost cinematic experience, but if it were a movie, I don't think the tension created from walking down a dark hallway with only a revolver and a wrench would be there. Or, if it were, it wouldn't be as effective.

2009-09-25 20:57:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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Aaaah, but it seems stereotypes like that are dying off quickly. Remember when people said all movie tie-in games sucked? Then they released the Xmen Origins game and it turned out to be a good hack-and-slash game. The key is changing up the formula. Every video game movie so far has tried to be either an exact copy of the game (like tomb raider, though I did like that somewhat) or some artsy, drug-induced interpretation (the nintendo game whose movie will never be mentioned). Bioshock as a movie just needs to mix up the formula a bit, I think, and it can be great! Maybe make it a backstory, or something from the perspective of one of the side characters like Tenenbaum or Cohen (assuming you don't kill him). The one thing that is certain: Don't retell the exact story from the game. There's a good chance they'd screw it up and most gamers already know the ending.

2009-09-25 21:15:00 Author: Unknown User

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The one thing that is certain: Don't retell the exact story from the game. There's a good chance they'd screw it up and most gamers already know the ending. 100% agreement. It's easy to fall into the trap of "trying to please the fans" by being TOO true to the source material. Silent Hill the movie was a failure and an abomination in the eyes of God. I definitely think the director was a bit too true to the game in certain respects, by actually including GAMEPLAY in the movie. It was ridiculous. Bioshock has SO much potential for a film, in fact, I can imagine the movie surpassing the game. To be clear: That's not going to happen. It wouldn't happen under Verbinski, and it certainly isn't going to happen under Fresnadillo. But this world, this setting, has so much cinematic potential. And it would really be a CRIME to re-tell the same story. That would not make a good movie. Not much happens, it's a "wandering around" story, plus there'd be zero suspense if we know what happens. I think the bioshock movie would do well by seriously breaking with standard movie traditions and set out to be surprising and frightening and original. I think the way I'd approach it is to make a 2-act story. The first half of the movie takes place in Rapture before the fall, following characters who first move in to Rapture. Halfway through the movie, the revolution occurs, and everything goes pear-shaped. The second half of the movie would be an original story that takes place after the fall of Rapture, following the same characters as they attempt to survive. Either way, they wouldn't do themselves any favors by gluing themselves too much to the game. There's too much potential to lose a good movie by painting yourself into a corner. Which, I realize, is more than likely to happen.

2009-09-25 22:00:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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^Now, I would watch the stuff out of that movie! Seriously, man. I mean, I don't know if the "fall" is explained in the game or not (but please don't tell me I wanna remain spoiler-free if possible) but either way, seeing a sort of "before/during/after" perspective in a movie would be really cool. And I never said that the game didn't have potential to be a great movie (I think... I meant to in any case) I just meant that I don't think that the movie will live up to the game.

2009-09-25 22:21:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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Woah... you've blown my mind... A long-term, Before/during/after of the same characters throughout the life cycle of Rapture would be an amazing sight to behold. Let's pray the director reads this thread!

2009-09-26 01:57:00 Author: Unknown User

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Why do games with a good story have to become a movie? If you have a good story in a game, why can't it just stay a game? Just because it works in a game, maybe that's because of the extra interactivity. As long as it doesn't stay the exact same as the game, it's going to suck, like Silent Hill. And in that case, why make the movie? If they try something new with Rapture, though...that could be interesting. Instead of adapting Jack's story, make someone new in Rapture. That MIGHT be cool. Might. Probably not, but it could.

2009-09-26 03:57:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664

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Awesomemans, those were my thoughts exactly. Why fix what isn't broken?

2009-09-26 14:19:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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'kay, so i rented the game. I just have one thing to say: Holy stuff! This game is amazing. Definitely one of the best games i've played in a while, and that's counting dissidia and crisis core. (i'm a big rpg fan and i don't really like shooters, so that's saying a lot) i think i've killed about 3 big daddies already, and i saved right in front of the fourth. This game has some really intense moments, and i love them all. So, yeah, thanks for all the advice guys. yes, yes, yes! It is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!

2009-09-28 04:36:00 Author: hking0036 Posts: 28

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'Kay, just beat the game. And, thanks to the new spoilers tag in the title, I can speak freely. Right? Anyway, I definitely did not see the whole "Atlas=Fontaine" thing coming. At all. Crazyness, yo. Here's the thing, though. I saved all the Sisters I came across, so I got the "good ending" where everyone grows old and has families and whatnot. I thought this was kinda... anticlimactic in a way. And I still have some lingering questions that I thought would have been explained.

2009-10-07 20:06:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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Yeah, it sort of ends abruptly. The final cutscene just all at once assaults you with an entire lifetime in only a few seconds, and after this long "crawl" through the city of Rapture, it's just too much too fast. So it feels like an incredibly abrupt ending that doesn't really fit.

2009-10-07 21:46:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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Hopefully, that abrupt ending will be dragged out and explained more fully in the sequel, however. After all, we know at least one little sister comes back for more

2009-10-07 22:23:00 Author: Unknown User

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To be honest, I'm not happy with the looks of the sequel at all. I think they took the wrong direction and ended up just making a game that screams "sequel" - just more of the same, without anything particularly new. tack on multiplayer and throw a "2" at the end and you're in business. I'll wait so see how the reviews are, but I may not even pick it up.

2009-10-07 22:46:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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That's where the magic of renting comes in, bud.

2009-10-07 22:59:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002

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I'm including renting when I say "pick it up" actually - If the game isn't very well-received, and if my fears turn out to be well-founded, I probably won't even bother renting. Though I have taken up the old tradition of renting games, and it can be quite rewarding, you realize how short many games are. I played through all of Mirror's Edge and Prince of Persia and Prototype on rentals. Also The Conduit, but I didn't finish that game because, frankly, I thought it was kind of awful.

2009-10-08 04:09:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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