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NEW IDEA, PLEASE READ, THOUGH I WOULD BE SHOCKED IF THAT MANY PEOPLE TOOK THE TIME TO READ ALL OF THIS!!! Okay, I have an idea that in my opinion is a really good idea, but this idea has some issues I am trying to work around. I am wanting to hold the biggest 'in-game costume creation' contest in the history of LBP, but not your usual costume contest. I have a unique approach to what I am wanting to do. Instead of focusing on a specific costume, I was thinking the focus could be more on the costume creator. So here is how it would work. Each creator would enter the 3 best costumes they have made (all custom and original), and this can be costumes they already have made or brand new ones just for the contest (or any mix of the two). Another thing different about this contest would be that instead of having a panel of judges, every player would be a judge (since the community is what matters in LBP, not just a few people) and the contest would progress the same as a single elimination tournament. So pairings would randomly be chosen then displayed to the public. From there everyone would vote for their favorite costume creator in each pairing (based on their 3 costumes). Once the voting deadline comes for that round, the creator with the least amount of votes from each pairing is eliminated and the creator with the most votes moves on up in the bracket. In a way it is like costume creator vs. costume creator, except instead of actually fighting (a no no), they are trying to outdo the others by making better costumes in a friendly competition (or costumes preferred more by the community). Also, creators will not be limited by a theme. I would post a deadline for entry into the tournament and by that deadline there needs to be an even number of creators. If odd, the tournament will be postponed until 1 more person enters, which shouldn't be long I wouldn't think. I'm wanting to provide the winner with a real prize. Here are the issues though: -If so many people enter, even people from other sites also, then posting that many pairings might not work unless there is a poll that can handle a large number of creators or I just have it where the public votes by posting the user name of who they vote for, but even then who would go through all those pairings one by one (which could be over a hundred pairings) and vote? But I am sure there is a way to make a tournament of this kind work, like maybe dividing all of the pairings into multiple groups, so instead of voting among all of the pairings from the first round in a single day, make first round pairings split among multiple days so there are less pairings to look through for voting. -The real prize is also an issue. If it's money I need a way to get it to them while they stay secure, and it has to be a way where the US money is converted to their country's currency (in case winner isn't from US). Prize options: -Money (but there's an issue as listed above) -LBP Crown (but what are the chances of MM saying "Hey sure, we'll offer a Crown to the winner", sure they've done it before like in the LittleBigWorkshop Pod and Sackperson decoration contest, but very rare, and anyways I would need backup prize in case winner already has crown) -Other, like PSN voucher cards, or certain things So I'm stumped with the issues, but the tournament itself is a pretty original idea and seems like it would be fun seeing costume creators compete in a show of their skills. Please give me feedback and tell me what you think of this idea and/or the issues at hand, or any questions, etc. NOTE: I will be posting UPDATES in this thread on occasion to keep everyone up to date on the current status of this event.

2009-08-22 13:06:00 Author: Unknown User

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Other costume contests have been attempted but they always seem to have a theme, which makes it difficult and is more likely to turn folks off of the idea. I love that you are thinking differently, and especially like the option of adding our personal best three costumes. Not sure about giving money away though... not sure it's really fair for you to come up with cash for that. Vouchers might work... but again, someone has to foot the bill and if it's you then it's not fair. I'd certainly be more tempted to enter this kind of a contest than one with a theme... or where you have to include your pod as part of the entry. I also like the fact that all the players get to vote, and your process of elimination seems to hold up well. All in all, I think this is great! You can DEFINITELY count me in!

2009-08-22 21:55:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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I'm glad you see where I am going with this Rustbukkit. I too felt that having to use a particular theme limited things, and the fact that most are judged by a panel of few people just didn't seem right. The problem is that most people will see the title of this thread and assume it is limited or not any different than other constests. I just don't know how to fix the title so people might take a peek at this idea as it is a refreshing new approach that focuses on custom costume creators and their talent. As for prizes, I guess the voucher idea is good, but I also have no experience in international prize giving. It might not seem fair, but I want people to be motivated enough to put everything they have into the costumes as I am hoping this contest could produce some of the best costumes ever seen in LBP. The main problem is the pairings. As of now the only thing I can think of is dragging out each round to more than one day with different pairings to vote on each day.

2009-08-22 22:12:00 Author: Unknown User

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Count me in

2009-08-22 22:30:00 Author: L0l_L0l- Posts: 139

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Someone suggested that I change the text with all of the pink, so I made the text normal and left the headers pink. This contest is only a concept right now, which is why it is under the Ideas forum. I need feedback on the issues I am having first before this can become a reality. Once the issues are worked out I will put up the actual tournament thread in the Contests forum.

2009-08-22 22:41:00 Author: Unknown User

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I think it's an interesting idea for sure. It's really ambitious though. Figuring out how to get all those costumes displayed and then finding a way to track all the poll info would be difficult. It's a cool idea though since it's open ended. I think you'll need to give specifics out for how and where the costume pics would be displayed, where and how many times people can vote, how many rounds will there be. It's a lot of organization. Good Luck!

2009-08-23 04:05:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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I think it's an interresting idea and i think a lot of people will be in the tournament(it's only what i think) I will probably join this tournament i will tell ya later Good luck!

2009-08-23 04:23:00 Author: phil_003 Posts: 609

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Once I get everything worked out I will let everyone know, even people from every LBP site I can think of will know. As of now I am currently talking with some people about the issues through PM and also awaiting some replies, Spaff being one of them. Another problem is that I want this tournament to be open to every country that has LBP, which even means the non-English speakers. Otherwise, how could we be positive the world's best talent is truly on display in this competition? I mean this is a world title (similar to a World Championships) to decide who is the best original costume creator in all of LBP for the time being. And in case this does catch on and is as big as I hope it could be, I also need to look into a trophy. I just think that would be excellent also awarding a trophy to the winner. But a trophy isn't possible because that would imply an official competition from the source, which means only MM has that right. Okay, scratch the trophy idea. Lol. I am getting ahead of myself and don't want to overwhelm myself or increase costs by too much more than they have to be. As I am trying to keep total costs under $100. ALSO: Runner-up would earn a small prize also (maybe $10 PSN voucher if that amount exists), but not much, as something is better than nothing anyways. And the winner I haven't decided as right now I am thinking anywhere from $30 to $50 PSN plus something else maybe, not sure yet. I mean think about it, people should be grateful for getting any kind of real reward as long as it can be used.

2009-08-23 06:05:00 Author: Unknown User

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UPDATE! UPDATE! UPDATE! note: Any and all information posted in an UPDATE is subject to change at any time. Okay, I am going to start posting UPDATES in this thread letting everyone know the current state of organizing for this tournament. As of now it is still a concept. Here is what is known so far: --Images of costumes can be taken anywhere in LBP, but it would be wise to make sure the lighting doesn't effect the clarity of the costumes. So taking pics in dim, colored, foggy, dark, etc kinds of places is probably not a good idea. You can take the picture however you'd like whether it be the in-game photo option or eye cam or other cam. But remember, you want your costumes to be seen in the best clarity possible. As of now I am thinking the image can be from any direction, but you can only have one image for each of your 3 best costumes. As for expressions, stick to the default face unless your costume requires another face. An example would be if you have a smiley face inside your mouth, then your costume might require an expression where your sackperson's mouth is open as part of the costume's uniqueness. I will have all of the details on this when the actual tournament and rules are announced. --20 pairings will be put up each day of the event, and everyone will vote on their favorite from each pairing. So this means a single round will last multiple days. --There is no way of telling how many rounds there will be. No one will know this until the tournament gets close to finish. --I might have to open a site just for this event as each pairing will need there own thread since the poll system doesn't work in a way that allows each person to vote for one creator from each pairing in the same thread. Not sure yet. Hopefully not. --I am hoping to provide the winner with something that shows they are the winner of the event without it costing an arm and a leg, like a poster, plaque, medal, or something. Aside from that they will be getting another prize also as I have mentioned, maybe around $30 which can get a decent amount of stuff from the PS Store. Not sure yet. A Promotional Level: I have also decided to create and publish a promotion/advertisement kind of level for this event (but nothing too fancy), which I will be looking for someone who would be willing to come up with poster ideas and make them for me as I have no experience or software to do so. But this wouldn't happen until the tournament becomes official with an entry deadline and start date for the event as that will appear in the poster. This level should also help a little bit in spreading the word. I don't want this event to miss anyone notice-wise. Bad news for some: The PSN card prize option has been canceled because not every country has these, although there is still a chance that it might be an option if the winner is from a country that does. I am currently discussing prize options through PM. If you like the idea of this tournament, then feel free to spread the word about it so that more people will be aware of this concept.

2009-08-24 06:35:00 Author: Unknown User

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well I could do a post about this on the workshop... what do you think?

2009-08-24 07:31:00 Author: elzbenz Posts: 86

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count me in

2009-08-24 07:43:00 Author: Unknown User

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well I could do a post about this on the workshop... what do you think? That is a very kind offer, but the posting a notice thread thing on all the sites I'll be checking is something I kind of feel should come from the person running the event. It is nothing personal. But anyone is welcome to spread the word and tell other fellow Happy Gadders, maybe friends, or whoever. Actually, I just realized that if anyone wants to post a notice for this concept on a site directing them to this thread, then that is welcome. I guess what I mean is that I will be the one posting the announcement for the tournament once it's a sure thing. But for it to be a sure thing, this concept thread has to have notice also. So feel free to post a notice of this thread and idea on another site directing them here, and thanks for that.

2009-08-24 08:32:00 Author: Unknown User

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Whew, lotta text there! Sounds like a great concept, and defintely a very big undertaking. For the pairings, you may just want to have the public send you messages with their selections (same as posting, but its private), or you could try staggering the voting (ie: for this time we're voting for pairing 1, this time we're voting for pairing 2, etc.) This might cause problems with timing though =/ You could also make a few different threads perhaps (ie: voting round 1, section 1, voting round 1 section 2, etc) in order to fit all the participants. I'd try using a multi vote poll, and give people the option to pick half of the contestants (ie: one for each pairing). When setting up a poll or whatever you need to be sure to pick a common site though- if you put it on multiple sites, people have multiple accounts (ie: one on LBW and one on LBPC and one on sackcast... etc) hope my ramblings made sense or helped or something Good luck with the contest, i'll probably enter and lose

2009-08-24 19:42:00 Author: Burnvictim42 Posts: 3322

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instaed of the creator being eliminsted, how about if theres not many people in, the 5 with the least votes, if alot of people in, 10 to 20. if thers a HUGE amount, (depending on how big) 50 to 100 and if theres over 1000 i sugest eliminating 200 to 400

2009-08-26 23:53:00 Author: Schwem00 Posts: 255

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To everyone . . . Multiple people have told me that the prize I had planned is probably not a good idea, and someone even pointed out that such a prize could cause people to do illegal things to gain the prize, like cheating. My intentions for the prize were the opposite, as it was to make people want to work really hard on their costumes so that we would really see the best people have to offer. But someone mentioned photoshopping and certain things. But even then with the community voting there is a good chance that this would be spotted by someone. So I am wanting everyone's opinion on if you agree the prize shouldn't be as big as I had intended. The idea of this tournament should be good enough and of course there will be a prize. I am just trying to think of what it could be. To Burnvictim . . . The message thing won't work as the space is very little. After 25 PMs box is full. And staggering the vote in the way you mentioned wouldn't work as there could be over 250 pairings and that would draw the event out a very long time. That's why I am sticking to 20 pairings a day as I mentioned in the UPDATE. No matter what I will have to use multiple threads as you said, but the poll has to only include the two from the pairing to avoid cheating, as the poll can't be tweaked in any way a person wants. Also, the event is only going to be held on one site. Otherwise, that wouldn't make sense. I might have to make a site for it, or ask SackCast if they'd be able to provide a forum for the event (because I know LBPC won't) which means SackCast would be sponsoring it (but not running it), but at the same time SackCast would be getting notice as when it comes time for me to announce the event at many sites and places, I would be mentioning SackCast and their site as the place where it will take place. So far that's the best idea I have, but I fear that that won't be allowed unless I let them run it. Not sure as I haven't asked yet. To Schwem . . . The idea of this tournament is to use the single elimination format. Voting won't be done among all competitors against each other at once. It's one vs. one, then in next round, the winners (half of cmpetitors from recent round) from first round will compete against each other, but in pairs just like in first, and so on.

2009-08-28 08:28:00 Author: Unknown User

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To everyone . . . Multiple people have told me that the prize I had planned is probably not a good idea, and someone even pointed out that such a prize could cause people to do illegal things to gain the prize, like cheating. My intentions for the prize were the opposite, as it was to make people want to work really hard on their costumes so that we would really see the best people have to offer. But someone mentioned photoshopping and certain things. But even then with the community voting there is a good chance that this would be spotted by someone. So I am wanting everyone's opinion on if you agree the prize shouldn't be as big as I had intended. The idea of this tournament should be good enough and of course there will be a prize. I am just trying to think of what it could be. [. Well you already know where I sit on the size of the prize (oooooh... rhimey!)...erhm... anyways, I think it's nice to give something small away though. As for cheating or photoshopping, there is a simple workaround for this. All contestants MUST keep the costumes they submit as saved costumes until the end of the competition. Then when the final winner is chosen, they must add you to their friends list so that you can go into their pod online and confirm that the costume has not been photoshopped. If they don't have the costumes saved then they are out of luck and the prize goes to the second place winner. It's not a hassle for them to keep three costumes, especially since these are the creators personal favourite three. As long as they back up their profile data, there should be no problem here at all.

2009-08-28 17:53:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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I like that idea. Very nice Rustbukkit. I almost gave up on this contest as no one is biting. I didn't want to promote much until the actual event is declared to avoid confusions, but I might not have a choice but to promote even this concept thread as it seems no one is taking notice. As for the prize, I am going to PM you.

2009-08-28 23:43:00 Author: Unknown User

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Hey um I'd absolutely love to join in on the contest. I would love it if I could join. Would that be alright if I could join?

2009-08-29 05:26:00 Author: ktang77 Posts: 592

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Someone could actually make a program that people download, and it will randomly pair together creator costumes and allow players to vote on them. From there, the program would add 1 point to the winning costume and subtract 1 from the losing costume. The application would go through all the pairs (randomly generated or not), and then once the person using the application has gone through all of the pictures, it will close and not allow itself to be opened again on that computer. I could make this, but I would need a lot of time, because I am quite busy. This would significantly decrease the complexity of setting it up, once the program is in place of course.

2009-09-01 23:41:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325

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Someone could actually make a program that people download, and it will randomly pair together creator costumes and allow players to vote on them. From there, the program would add 1 point to the winning costume and subtract 1 from the losing costume. The application would go through all the pairs (randomly generated or not), and then once the person using the application has gone through all of the pictures, it will close and not allow itself to be opened again on that computer. I could make this, but I would need a lot of time, because I am quite busy. This would significantly decrease the complexity of setting it up, once the program is in place of course. That does sound interesting, although it sounds like there could be faults there. The reason I am only having 20 pairings a day is because no one is going to go through a ton of pairings in a single day as that is overwhelming and even non-lazy people wouldn't do that. Also, it's the costume creators that are paired with their 3 costumes on display to show their talent, rather than costume and costume. Don't forget, this isn't a costume tournament. It's a costume creator tournament. I do appreciate that offer though. It might still work though, not sure. Anyways, I think I will have to form a tournament staff, like prize cordinator, presentation editor (like someone that can make professional looking logos/displays/banners/etc) like many competition holders at LittleBigWorkshop display. I'm assuming they have people talented with Photoshop, GIMP (which I have but not good with), etc. Although if I did this, it would have to be people that don't expect to be payed and just do it out of love for LBP.

2009-09-02 02:17:00 Author: Unknown User

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I think finding a way to grant someone DLC would be a good fit for a prize. PSN cards themselves might be impossible because of country codes...but let me see if it's physically possible to buy something for someone else under my own PSN id...It seems like there's a "gift certificate mode" in there I don't quite understand. Giving away real money, in any other context, might actually constitute GAMBLING in some countries. Making the prize a concrete item, that cannot be exchanged for cash, should get 'round that nicely. UPDATE: Nope, no joy. Thought I'd seen a way to gift cash direct to other accounts, but no joy. I was crazy.

2009-09-08 23:13:00 Author: coyote_blue Posts: 422

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Yeah, things don't look too good for this tournament ever seeing the light of day, but I still have hopes. That was a nice thing to point out Coyote. It's too bad it doesn't allow it though or that'd work great. Someone here has offered to make a sackboy replica out of . . . well I don't remember what. But I know it's a sculpture, and he's a professional at what he does. I think he said a 1/1 scale, or I don't remember. I was thinking if the winner is from a country that has PSN cards, then that could be prize, but then I would need a prize for those that are not. But the prize should really be the same regardless of country, a universal prize.

2009-09-12 00:47:00 Author: Unknown User

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-> suggestion for prize here that will save this contest's life <- Oh yeah, I went there! I really don't think you even need to have a prize, I think people would be happy with the satisfaction knowing that they won.

2009-09-13 21:54:00 Author: gorbax Posts: 88

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I think he said a 1/1 scale, or I don't remember. How do we know what size Sackboy would be in real life. A 1/1 scale could be 3 or 4 inches! Regardless though, I've been trying to get my hands on some type of tangible Sackboy for a while.

2009-09-13 22:00:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325

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How do we know what size Sackboy would be in real life. A 1/1 scale could be 3 or 4 inches! Regardless though, I've been trying to get my hands on some type of tangible Sackboy for a while. If memory serves, sackboy comes in at just under (or is it over?) 8 cm. So yes, just about 3 inches would be the size of the sculpt.

2009-09-14 00:14:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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Well as everyone now knows, Ristbukkit was the one that mentioned making a sculpture, which is very kind of him. I am wanting to have a plaque, or trophy made also of some sort. I have already found some sources I am looking into, and they aren't expensive either. To Rustbukkit . . . I would of said your name instead of someone when I brought the sculpture up, but wasn't sure if you wanted me to name drop anything yet. To gorbax . . . That would be the easy way to do this, but like I said, this is suppose to be a large scale tournament. This isn't your usual tournament. There's no way to attract people from the other LBP site and LBP without some kind of good prize. If this was just a LBPC community costume creator competition, then that'd be different. The plan is for this event to be sort of along the lines of a world championships for costume creators, and if succussful and LBP is still strong a year from event, then I might make it annual.

2009-09-14 23:02:00 Author: Unknown User

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[COLOR="Magenta"]Well as everyone now knows, Ristbukkit was the one that mentioned making a sculpture, which is very kind of him. I am wanting to have a plaque, or trophy made also of some sort. I have already found some sources I am looking into, and they aren't expensive either. To Rustbukkit . . . I would of said your name instead of someone when I brought the sculpture up, but wasn't sure if you wanted me to name drop anything yet. COLOR] No worries at all. I appreciate the anonymity. I was just trying to confirm the scale of how big sackboy actually is. I tried to make my response as ambiguous as possible... guess that didn't work as well as I'd hoped. Anyways, yes... it's something I put forward to s3xNstilettos as part of the prize. The idea is that it would be a one-of-a-kind sculpt for the winner, cast in resin and hand painted by me as well. I'm hoping to start a few maquettes this weekend and will be sending progress shots to s3xNstilettos for her approval (as this is her baby). If s3xNstilettos is happy with the results, then I will offer it up as part of the contest prize and take care of the costs of the project myself (as s3xNstilettos is already going above and beyond in working on this and incurring all the costs alone - which I hope everyone is aware of).

2009-09-15 06:10:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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This idea sounds most excellent...I'm in!

2009-09-15 20:17:00 Author: Spider-Jew Posts: 1090

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this idea sounds great the voting seems like it could be difficult tho becuz u would have to arrange pairs i was thinking it would be great to give some lbp add ons as a prize also if u want this to be world wide u could probably download some kind of translater i think having no theme may mean u might have to pair them up by theme unless they r all too different also if u still need help with making logos and/or posters i could help u out with that also i think u should just make a freewebs site for the contest

2009-09-21 10:18:00 Author: tonman12 Posts: 1

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this idea sounds great the voting seems like it could be difficult tho becuz u would have to arrange pairs i was thinking it would be great to give some lbp add ons as a prize also if u want this to be world wide u could probably download some kind of translater i think having no theme may mean u might have to pair them up by theme unless they r all too different also if u still need help with making logos and/or posters i could help u out with that also i think u should just make a freewebs site for the contest I'm sorry, I don't quite get what you are saying about theme? As for the free website, I have definitly considered it. It would need it's own site because there will be a flood of threads for the voting and other things. And thanks for the logo/poster offer. I appreciate that. I will keep that in mind so that once this is a sure thing, then the website and promotion level could have a look/logo, etc. Simply a logo (like header) and a poster (for promotion) is all that will be needed I think, much like anyone that holds a high quality competition for LBP. And if I get the plaque/award thing made, then I could take a photo of it with eye cam and then that could be included in promotion poster, which would involve photoshopping to remove the background around the plaque/award image, I think as I'm not sure since I don't have experience with that.

2009-09-21 17:36:00 Author: Unknown User

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