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Alright guys...time to get thinking! =D Instead of just sitting there mindlessly waiting for something to happen (like maybe a certain game coming out), why not use that brain of yours and have some fun! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- The game is this: I will provide you information on a certain case; the information includes: - Incident/Crime - Back-story - Suspects - Story - What the suspects had to say for themselves All you have to do, is tell me which suspect is responsible for the incident/ crime in question. Now, in order to get you thinking, and not just guessing, here is what you have to do: 1- Provide the name of the suspect (choose ONE person from the list provided) 2- Provide at least ONE paragraph of information. In that information, state WHY you think that person guilty. Also, make sure that your information makes sense, and is not made up! 3- You can only post the official "Case Post" once. And after that, you cannot change your mind by re-posting, or editing your initial post. Discussion about the case is allowed, but it is to be kept to the MINIMAL! NO OFF-TOPICNESS PLEASE Okay, let's begin: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- (The following case includes mature content, and therefore will be placed inside spoiler tags) Case: 001 Incident/Crime: Murder Back-story: Ashley Turner, a 29 year old woman was murdered. Several cuts and bruises were found on her neck. Tools of murder: None found. Suspects: - Jonathan Bale: Businessman, and close friend. - Margarete Benz: Neighbour. - Haley Smithson: Sister-in-law. - James Nathan: Ex-husband. Story: Twenty-nine year old housewife, Ashley Turner was found dead on her kitchen floor. No tools of murder were found on the scene. The kitchen window was broken, glass shattered on the outside of the window, leading to a back alley. On the victim?s cell phone, was the number 0435689121. The number belonged to James Nathan. The first suspect is introduced. The front and back doors locked from the inside. A leather jacket found hanging near the entrance. The jacket contained an ID. One Jonathan Bale is identified. Two coffee mugs found on the kitchen table. DNA test prove that one of the mugs was used by Ashley Turner, and the other, by one Margarete Benz. Police reports claim that Ashley Turner only ever had legal disputes with one individual. And this person is her sister-in-law Haley Smithson; the fourth and final suspect. Truths are lies in disguise Jonathan Bale: ?I would never harm her, she was my closest acquaintance, I would never do such a horrible thing! The thought of her being choked and killed like that hurts my very soul? Margarete Benz: ?I was just drinking coffee with her, not even an hour ago. How could this happen? And to think that no-one saw the killer running through the back alley...This is truly horrible? James Nathan: ?Just because she was calling my number, it doesn?t mean anything! Why would she be calling her killer? It makes no sense why I am even here? Haley Smithson: ?Sure, we?ve had our shares of...heated discussion...but that doesn?t make me a killer! I never liked the woman, but that gives me no excuse for murder? None of the suspects were shown the body after the incident. And none were allowed near the victim?s house. WHO IS THE MURDERER?

2008-09-10 12:58:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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The Dingo ate my baby

2008-09-10 13:08:00 Author: QuozL Posts: 921

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Oh my God I think I'm psychic, I had a feeling this thread was being made @_@ Anyway: I think it's Jonathan Bale because he says... "The thought of her being choked an killed like that hurts my soul". Where, in the whole investigation, did they state that she was choked to death? He obviously knows how she was killed whereas no-one else does... so he must be the murderer! ...That's what happened in Minority Report =D

2008-09-10 13:11:00 Author: Unknown User

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@QuozL: xD Yeah.... Have a go why don't you? @Creative: Good observation...hmmm....

2008-09-10 13:20:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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Yay! http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn7/amynmi/alaughingsmiley.gif

2008-09-10 13:22:00 Author: Unknown User

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Too complicated for me. Now my brain hurts, aswell as my eyes ( I have really sore eyes today).

2008-09-10 13:25:00 Author: GuyWithNoEyes Posts: 1100

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Oh my God I think I'm psychic, I had a feeling this thread was being made @_@ Anyway: I think it's Jonathan Bale because he says... "The thought of her being choked an killed like that hurts my soul". Where, in the whole investigation, did they state that she was choked to death? He obviously knows how she was killed whereas no-one else does... so he must be the murderer! ...That's what happened in Minority Report =D ****it beaten to it! >_<

2008-09-10 13:31:00 Author: ScytheOfGrim Posts: 438

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Sorry I don't 100% understand the game... Is there a correct answer here? Or is it sort of a judged, 'most interesting reason/backstory wins' thing?

2008-09-10 13:35:00 Author: Capn P Posts: 100

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I have the answer, locked away in my head! You guys have to, using the minimal information I provided, find out who it was that did it. Hint: It's not always the most obvious person; be as bold as you can while reading through the case!

2008-09-10 13:37:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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****it beaten to it! >_< =D @Stix: OMG NO11eleventyone. I had another idea... :o I still stand by my decision though, I think it's Jonathan Bale. http://p-i-a.edu/Protocols/EDU/smiley.gif

2008-09-10 13:40:00 Author: Unknown User

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I believe the culprit was Margarete Benz, as the doors were locked from the inside and there were no signs of forced entry. There were signs of forced exit, the glass smashed outwards. This means that the killer must have been invited inside, and since Margarete had been (for coffee) close to the time of the murder, I deduce her as the killer. EDIT (Some additional thoughts, disregard if this is not allowed): Jonathan Bale could also have been invited inside, due to the jacket, but I believe that a detail important as this would have been in the report if it were the case.

2008-09-10 13:44:00 Author: Capn P Posts: 100

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@Creative: What is it then? =D @Capn P: Hmm...interesting!

2008-09-10 13:46:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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@Creative: What is it then? =D I thought you weren't allowed to post multiple solutions?

2008-09-10 13:50:00 Author: Unknown User

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I've already made my accusation, and I now believe I am wrong (didn't take me long to doubt myself..)... so here's some thoughts for people still in the running... What relation would Haley have to other suspects? Why would Ashley try to call James? Why might James be ex-husband? What could Margarete and Ashley have been discussing over coffee?

2008-09-10 13:55:00 Author: Capn P Posts: 100

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O_O It... all... makes... sense! *dies*

2008-09-10 14:00:00 Author: Unknown User

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James Nathan: ?Just because she was calling my number, it doesn?t mean anything! Why would she be calling her killer? It makes no sense why I am even here? Haha! A slip! probably wrong but he effectively said he killed her. Backwards logic rules!

2008-09-10 18:45:00 Author: liquidsnake96 Posts: 109

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Ashley Turner, a 29 year old woman was murdered. Several cuts and bruises were found on her neck. Ashley is the one who did it, she has cuts and bruises around her neck, she commited suicide with the rope.

2008-09-10 19:03:00 Author: Darth_Spartan Posts: 813

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Ashley Turner, a 29 year old woman was murdered. Several cuts and bruises were found on her neck. Ashley is the one who did it, she has cuts and bruises around her neck, she commited suicide with the rope. I thought this first too but up in the rules he says that you mus t pick a suspect from the list provided and Ashley is not on that list

2008-09-10 19:27:00 Author: liquidsnake96 Posts: 109

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I thought this first too but up in the rules he says that you mus t pick a suspect from the list provided and Ashley is not on that list OH well I tried, well there is only four, someone must have picked the person by now.

2008-09-10 19:53:00 Author: Darth_Spartan Posts: 813

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My Guess is Margerite, she says "no one saw them running through the alley" It is fairly usual to tell how someone dies, police will often show the suspects pictures of the deceased (on TV anyway), so the first guy may have presumed she was strangled, or this is one of the more likely things they would have been told, but wouldn't divulge HOW they got away. So, I think it was her.

2008-09-10 20:32:00 Author: flakmagnet Posts: 1084

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Bookmarked. My brain mode is currently OFF, i just got back from work and am really tired of thinking.

2008-09-10 20:38:00 Author: Killa_5150 Posts: 227

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Good job guys....keep going! I'll tell you the answer at the end of the week =D

2008-09-10 22:57:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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This is tough but really awesome. I think that Maragret, the neigbhour is innocent, simply because the seem to have been friendly, drinking coffee.. there doesn't seem to be any motivation there. Jonathon Bale is an odd case. he calls her "Aquantance" instead of freind, and knows how she was murdered when he (supposedly) hasn't seen the body, although they did seem friendly for him to have hung his jacket up, and the case states they are close friends, a gut feeling tells me he is innocent. I don't see any good motivation from the evidence. Haley Smithson and James Nathan are also an odd couple. I'm assuming that they are related, though it doesn't make much sense because then she would no longer be an in-law... but what I think is that Haley got angry at Ashley for leaving her brother, there has to be something with the legal disputes here... probably something about money, in any case, she seems to have the highest motication. If she WAS related to James Nathan, then she could easily have aquired a front door key. I think she got into an argument with Ashley in the kitchen and accidentaly ended up killing her, panic'd, took Ashleys phone and started calling her brother for advice... which would also kinda explain why he is so p'd off for being dragged into the middle of this. She won't have escaped through the window though.. nobody saw anybody in the back alley and she had a key. The smashing could have been caused by the fight. Some glass may also have been a cause of the cuts. (Also, her statement is only suggesting that she is trying to manipulate the police in to thinking she had no motivation. "I didn't like her, but thats no excuse for killing her"... she doesn't say "I didn't kill her".. its more of "I didn't kill her because I don't like her, thats a stupid reason") Well - thats what I think. A few things are still unanswered but its the best I can do

2008-09-10 23:25:00 Author: Maltay Posts: 2073

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Deep thinking there maltay. I cant even start to think of anything like that. I would have just said the butler did it. But he isn't on the list. Also, the names of three of them put together makes nathan hale. Thought it was cool...

2008-09-10 23:40:00 Author: moleynator Posts: 2914

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Very well done Maltay! Great thinking! Everyone, use Matay's post as an example as to how you should approach this case...He used all/most of the information I provided and constructed a "brainstorm", while in the meantime, canceling out what he thought didn't fit! Great job Malt! I'm not saying he's right, nor am I saying his wrong...I am just saying that you should all set out your "Case posts" like he did =D Keep it coming guys, all the things you're coming up with are fantastic xD

2008-09-11 08:00:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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Very well done Maltay! Great thinking! Everyone, use Matay's post as an example as to how you should approach this case...He used all/most of the information I provided and constructed a "brainstorm", while in the meantime, canceling out what he thought didn't fit! Great job Malt! I'm not saying he's right, nor am I saying his wrong...I am just saying that you should all set out your "Case posts" like he did =D Keep it coming guys, all the things you're coming up with are fantastic xD So.. are we allowed to post multiple solutions? >_>

2008-09-11 08:51:00 Author: Unknown User

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No. Your initial "Case post" stays, but you CAN discuss the case if you will. You might change your mind, but by then it would be too late, since I would be looking at your initial "Case Post" at the end of the week, and nothing else. What Maltay did was not posting multiple solutions, he just elaborated on every suspect's story, but he still provided me with who he thinks is the culprit. So, if you want, post another solution, but I will be looking at your first and initial "Case Post" alone, and judging from that. *w*

2008-09-11 08:55:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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No. Your initial "Case post" stays, but you CAN discuss the case if you will. You might change your mind, but by then it would be too late, since I would be looking at your initial "Case Post" at the end of the week, and nothing else. What Maltay did was not posting multiple solutions, he just elaborated on every suspect's story, but he still provided me with who he thinks is the culprit. So, if you want, post another solution, but I will be looking at your first and initial "Case Post" alone, and judging from that. *w* Yeah, i know Maltay didn't post multiple solutions, I was just asking Hmm... I might post another solution later because I'm currently on my PS3.

2008-09-11 08:59:00 Author: Unknown User

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That's alright then =D

2008-09-11 09:26:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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Haley Smithson and James Nathan are also an odd couple. I'm assuming that they are related, though it doesn't make much sense because then she would no longer be an in-law... but what I think is that Haley got angry at Ashley for leaving her brother, there has to be something with the legal disputes here... probably something about money, in any case, she seems to have the highest motication. If she WAS related to James Nathan, then she could easily have aquired a front door key. I think she got into an argument with Ashley in the kitchen and accidentaly ended up killing her, panic'd, took Ashleys phone and started calling her brother for advice... which would also kinda explain why he is so p'd off for being dragged into the middle of this. She won't have escaped through the window though.. nobody saw anybody in the back alley and she had a key. The smashing could have been caused by the fight. Some glass may also have been a cause of the cuts. (Also, her statement is only suggesting that she is trying to manipulate the police in to thinking she had no motivation. "I didn't like her, but that's no excuse for killing her"... she doesn't say "I didn't kill her".. its more of "I didn't kill her because I don't like her, that's a stupid reason") Well - that's what I think. A few things are still unanswered but its the best I can do This is the key part of your deductions, and I only see one fault with it: "The kitchen window was broken, glass shattered on the outside of the window, leading to a back alley." Now here's some interesting wording, and it would force me to assume that it was done as such to encourage confusion. "Glass shattered on the outside of the window", after reading this I immediately understood that the glass had been shattered from the outside, had it said, "Shattered glass on the outside of the window", I would have jumped to your conclusion; that the fight inside broke the glass. But here comes the last twist: the next clause reads, "leading to a back alley". When reading it as such, the mind begins to imagine the situation, and don't know about you, but when I see it as I read this last part, I see myself flying from inside the kitchen to the alley, not the other way around. Had Stix been thinking in this manner when he wrote it? This easily leaves the fact of the broken glass suspended, because we can't be sure what was meant thanks to tricky (or plain bad, in which case you'd better explain, boy) wording. James Nathan and Haley Smithson obviously do not share the last name, despite being relatives. Of course, there are a number of possibilities here too: either one could have easily changed their name, but why? Could it be linked to the dispute? Some sort of shame? I don't think so, and actually think it's irrelevant. The second reason could be because Haley is married, which brings more interest into these "legal disputes". Margarete's statement causes interest to rise too... "And to think that no-one saw the killer running through the back alley..." Even if they did, what would they do? What would they think? How would they know that he/she killed someone? And this brings me to another point... Ashley was killed in the kitchen... If the murderer entered from the window, as I like to believe for absolutely no valid reason, Ashley obviously had no time to react. She didn't escape the kitchen, but did she try? And if she did, the time doesn't make sense. How can someone break through a window, then climb through and reach her before she can run away? This would lead one to assume that the kitchen door was already locked and closed; she didn't have the time to get the keys, open the door and run. Unless, of course, she was paralyzed as everything occurred, which I doubt. But what if the killer came through the front door? Was the front door open? If not, did the killer have a key? And how? That would lead you to believe that the killer was someone really close... or someone that was really close, like an ex-husband. Or someone really close to the ex-husband, like his sister. They could have locked the door behind them to ensure that Ashley couldn't escape. They then made their way to the kitchen, where Ashley was. They must have locked the kitchen door for safe-measures. Now is where it branches. Ashley may have tried to break through the window, but the cuts were on her neck, not her hands or arms. The more plausible answer is that Ashley was smashed into the window, but even this is incorrect because it lists her injuries as only to the neck, none to the head. What I think is the answer is that after strangling her, the killer made their way out of the window, by breaking through it, but this contradicts my natural reasonless belief that the killer entered from behind. So, if this is a listing of what they did, how about who did it? Nobody was allowed near the house, and nobody saw the body. What Stix did is obvious; he gave each suspect a reason to be suspected, but this reason isn't in the listing of why they are suspects, it's in what they say. Jonathan Bale knows how she was killed, even though he never saw the body. Margarete Benz knows how the killer escaped/entered, despite not being allowed near the house. James Nathan and Haley Smithson are both relatives, and both have a reason to dislike Ashley; one was the husband, the other had "legal disputes" with her, it's no hard task to both want to get rid of her, one for the past, the other for the present. To both of them, she was a pest. The only unknown is the jacket with Jonathan Bale's ID in it. He could simply have forgotten it the last time he was over, or, as I like to believe, the jacket was actually Ashley's, and the ID was forgotten by Bale during his last business meeting with her, but why would she leave it in her jacket? She simply forgot? Knowing all this, you can't accuse one more than the other, which makes it a blind guess. Unless there's a slight misunderstanding in what Stix wrote, you might as well pick from a hat. I blame Margarete Benz for the murder. She was the last person with Ashley. She knew where Ashley was. The door may have been locked by her, and Ashley would not have suspected much of it. It would have not been so hard to sneak up on Ashley as she washed out the coffee mugs, with her back turned to her killer. Leaving through the front door was impossible, someone was sure to spot her and remember about it. The window was her best bet. Too many unknowns for my liking... Epically long too... @_@

2008-09-11 12:12:00 Author: ScytheOfGrim Posts: 438

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Everything I wrote in the first post, was written for a reason. No bad wording on my behalf there Without statements of confusion, the answer would be obvious. So obvious that the whole thinking part of this game would be ruined >_> All the (purposely) missing information is slowly being filled in, soon enough the mystery will be unraveled. If everyone uses all the information so far, from the initial information in the first post, to everyone's assumptions, they would be able to reveal who the culprit is, with relative ease. Like Scythe said, I did indeed give each suspect a reason to be suspected, otherwise, like I mentioned before, the thinking part would be ruined... All the "loopholes" are also there for a reason, and it's up to you to either work around them and use them as more of a chance for your imagination to flow, or you could just ignore them and stick to the information. Everything is up to you!

2008-09-11 12:59:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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Thought as much for the things I pointed out... Although I can't help but feel that I over-thought a couple of things... '>_> Created non-existent loopholes...

2008-09-11 13:05:00 Author: ScytheOfGrim Posts: 438

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now that you mention it, how did the neighbour know that the window was smashed? (Back alley escape route) Also, I think there is hidden messages in the phone number and names, but I can't be bothered to try

2008-09-11 16:31:00 Author: Maltay Posts: 2073

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now that you mention it, how did the neighbour know that the window was smashed? (Back alley escape route) Also, I think there is hidden messages in the phone number and names, but I can't be bothered to try Haha, I already checked the number. It doesn't lead to any of the names or any of the props mentioned, so... I tried putting letters to every number corresponding to how letters on phones work... nothing... >_>

2008-09-11 16:42:00 Author: ScytheOfGrim Posts: 438

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I shall post the answer up really soon, as well as Case 002... Anymore of you want to have a go? xD

2008-09-12 08:32:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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Scythe covered pretty much everything O_o

2008-09-12 08:55:00 Author: Unknown User

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Scythe covered pretty much everything O_o And still managed to blame a name picked out of a hat. ^^

2008-09-12 10:48:00 Author: ScytheOfGrim Posts: 438

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Okay guys, I can't give you the answer/new case at the moment...I have too much work on my hands at this time... Case 002 and the answer to Case 001 will be posted later, when all this "assignmenting" is done! Thanks guys! =D Well, I can't go into detail at the moment, so I can't give you an answer right now...I'll do so tomorrow, hopefully! Hint! It is both one male and one female...A few people have got that right so far =D The very last question, was put that way to confuse people...but I guess you lot are smarter than I thought! xD EDIT: Sorry for the double post, but a few people have been asking for the answer, and THIS is my answer to them, for now

2008-09-13 07:27:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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Hmm, interesting thread. I'll think about this and get back to you.

2008-09-20 09:31:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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