Archive: 36 posts

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That's my question. I really wonder. Does all the star rating we gave during the break actually compiled or the ratings we see on our levels now are the star ratings compiled since it's up again? Seriously, I don't understand how my Sack's On The Beach can be rated 2 stars right now. Most guys here and all my buds are rating 5 or 4 stars. ANY of my level could sustain spammers in the past. This leads me to believe that the ratings didn't compile during the break and I suffered from spammers as soon as it came back. Seriously, i'm like THE ONLY 2 stars level in the first 4 cool pages. I don't see how this is possible unless you're all being nice to me and make me believe that my level isn't total crap... .

2009-08-05 01:21:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Just republish it if it's that bad. I'm going to have to guess they just "turned the stars back on" rather than made them visible.

2009-08-05 01:27:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325

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I was thinking it got set at the average and once turned on started up like brand new. I suspect you got nailed right from the get go or something with someone faint of heart encountering your mean horrible scary boss thingy that mashes folks for fun. My level is sitting with a better than 1 - 10 ratio and at 3 stars. Which to me sounds a bit off as well as you having only 2. Oh well.. I can be poster boy for What the Ratings Bug Did for Me. I seriously doubt I will delete and start over this late in the week since I published Saturday.

2009-08-05 01:37:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I've just been to check on this & unfortunately your level really is 2 stars. you only need to read the comments & tags to see people think how your level plays needs work. we've all been there & its trial and error sometimes. i've watched the ratings from when the servers came back & they have all been very stable, not changing. This certainly suggests a large average being taken over a decent amount of time. The ratings system was always in place, we just couldn't see it.

2009-08-05 01:49:00 Author: J-Bear Posts: 85

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No rangerzero sacks on the beach is not crap, if it was crap why would i have spent around 3 hours playing it? The ratings where not recorded, and your level, people probley just didn't like the free play part, but its great! Pom's miracle of life, wow that must be a sting in the tail if it didn't get any rating yet.

2009-08-05 01:59:00 Author: Adam9001 Posts: 744

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I've just been to check on this & unfortunately your level really is 2 stars. you only need to read the comments & tags to see people think how your level plays needs work. we've all been there & its trial and error sometimes. i've watched the ratings from when the servers came back & they have all been very stable, not changing. This certainly suggests a large average being taken over a decent amount of time. The ratings system was always in place, we just couldn't see it. That might possibly be as I haven't read all of Rangers level thread posts, but if you read my thread my level, it was rated at 5 stars across the board from every poster except one, which was 4. ..In looking at my level comments, I had nothing but great reviews and the usual play my level spam. So it might be the general public just spammed the default rating or they simply set it, but I dunno. I heard from someone earlier on PSN that Poms level was a 3 as well also heard that he may have deleted and republished, but I haven't talked to Poms yet to confirm.

2009-08-05 02:18:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I was thinking it got set at the average and once turned on started up like brand new. I suspect you got nailed right from the get go or something with someone faint of heart encountering your mean horrible scary boss thingy that mashes folks for fun. My level is sitting with a better than 1 - 10 ratio and at 3 stars. Which to me sounds a bit off as well as you having only 2. Oh well.. I can be poster boy for What the Ratings Bug Did for Me. I seriously doubt I will delete and start over this late in the week since I published Saturday. Well, I sure ain't republishing either. I don't really mind ratings and such but it still felt annoying to have such a positive reception (except for star rating lol) and being rated like dirt. With Crazy Train people were frustrated to no end, I was consistently insulted in the comments and I almost received some death threats and yet it's 3 stars... .

2009-08-05 02:45:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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i hear you. i know from experience that anything with an amount of difficulty ,speech bubbles ,& instructions so people have to think is a very hard sell this level has all those & most people have short attention spans. pomms was a little tricky in places too. BUT , the people who enjoy this type of level will heart it & love it , unfortunately its not the majority. If we all start making levels to please the majority that would be a real shame which is why no stars showing i thought was done on purpose ( it really is a better system ) i'm no happier with my 4 stars than not knowing in any meaningful way but 2 stars would make me annoyed at how impatient most sacks are with gameplay. there would be more diversity & happy creators with no stars showing and less 'trends' possibly. ? maybe ?

2009-08-05 02:46:00 Author: J-Bear Posts: 85

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Needless to say, I care alot more about hardcore players outta here than kiddo-nobody online. .

2009-08-05 02:59:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Still, that level shouldn't be 2 stars. It's a really good level. I know I gave it five stars the other night when I played it

2009-08-05 03:42:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569

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[QUOTE= The ratings system was always in place, we just couldn't see it.[/QUOTE] I've already confirmed that this is not the case, but you people go right ahead and ignore me.

2009-08-05 08:27:00 Author: Reef1978 Posts: 527

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I didn't have to time to play again last night, but when I saw this thread I went back and re-rated it 5*, just in case my previous ratings weren't recorded. Either way this sucks, I don't understand 2 stars Reef, do you have a source for the fact that the ratings were being recorded and the bug was with pulling the ratings back out of the system?

2009-08-05 10:41:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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I've already confirmed that this is not the case, but you people go right ahead and ignore me. Sorry... not sure where we ignored you. Possibly you are talking about comments you made in another thread somewhere?.. Sorry I missed that. At any rate, I agree 100 percent with you!!

2009-08-05 12:29:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I didn't have to time to play again last night, but when I saw this thread I went back and re-rated it 5*, just in case my previous ratings weren't recorded. Either way this sucks, I don't understand 2 stars Reef, do you have a source for the fact that the ratings were being recorded and the bug was with pulling the ratings back out of the system? The ratings we are receiving now are new. I tested it myself. The star rating was lost. https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=14580

2009-08-05 12:39:00 Author: Reef1978 Posts: 527

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Sorry... not the case. Right, that makes a lot more sense.

2009-08-05 12:55:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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The ratings we are receiving now are new. I tested it myself. The star rating was lost. https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=14580 Yup.. So sorry I missed that one. Totally correct.

2009-08-05 12:55:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Hi, I don't think any rates during this bug were recorded. When the rating came back, all the "unrated" levels started from the default 3 stars. Firsts minutes/hours of a level being rated will decide it's future rating. I know that very well. Some levels were lucky and some weren't. When I got home TMOL had 4 stars wich it was a bit dissapointing IMO. When a level is new, and it's been rated 5 stars for the firsts players, it's very easy that any dumb, because his life is a crap, decide that this level should never get 5 stars. So you get 1 star from one or two noobs, and your level turns into a 4 star... forever. I restarted my level yesterday night. Maybe it was wrong, because it will probably get only 4 stars anyway. But I just wanted to give my level a fair chance to suceed, without having myself the doubt of it had 4 stars because of the bug or because I didn't save it in time of the spammers. *** soon as I republished I recieved a message of "montevista", good guy anyway, telling me why republish? are rates that important?. I already aswered him trough PSN message, but what I'd like to answer to anyone asking me this, is I WANT THE BEST FOR MY LEVELS, and I'll publish, republish, delete, restart, move, change icon... I'll do anything for my levels to get the best possible.... and I recommend everyone to do the same, because if the creator doesn't look after his "creature", no one will. Regards, and sorry if my words sound a bit agressive

2009-08-05 12:59:00 Author: poms Posts: 383

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Hi Poms, MonteVista shared that info with me as well. He is a pretty good guy, actually and on my friends list as he played and enjoyed a few of my levels, thought his were pretty cute and he seemed like a nice person. Sorry his message came across in that way. He sent me a note as well telling me he was really shocked mine was at 3 stars and had noticed that you republished. I told him what you did was not a big concern and would back you regardless of whatever decision you made, as I trust, respect, and consider you a dear friend. I have considered starting over, but I am not sure I am going to do that. Maybe if others here felt the same way and talk me into it, I might.. So far even crippled with a 3 star tag, it is on page 2 and from the heart play ratio, it is doing fairly well. It has been well received here where I feel feedback is most important and closer to the truth. So like I have been telling folks.. I feel I can be a poster child for what the ratings bug did to me. I feel bad that it is only 3 stars, but I would also feel bad to delete and start over. On the fence on this one. So sorry you had to start over as your level is incredible regardless of moons, hearts, stars, clover, wheat stray, or toothpicks used to record favor and adulations. Maybe MM can look at mine and say to themselves.. "Wow.. we really screwed this up"!! Maybe we should pay more attention to our tracking software and database. I am just happy they didn't write the software at my bank and make an incredible game instead.

2009-08-05 13:58:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Hi, I don't think any rates during this bug were recorded. When the rating came back, all the "unrated" levels started from the default 3 stars. Firsts minutes/hours of a level being rated will decide it's future rating. I know that very well. Some levels were lucky and some weren't. When I got home TMOL had 4 stars wich it was a bit dissapointing IMO. When a level is new, and it's been rated 5 stars for the firsts players, it's very easy that any dumb, because his life is a crap, decide that this level should never get 5 stars. So you get 1 star from one or two noobs, and your level turns into a 4 star... forever. I restarted my level yesterday night. Maybe it was wrong, because it will probably get only 4 stars anyway. But I just wanted to give my level a fair chance to suceed, without having myself the doubt of it had 4 stars because of the bug or because I didn't save it in time of the spammers. *** soon as I republished I recieved a message of "montevista", good guy anyway, telling me why republish? are rates that important?. I already aswered him trough PSN message, but what I'd like to answer to anyone asking me this, is I WANT THE BEST FOR MY LEVELS, and I'll publish, republish, delete, restart, move, change icon... I'll do anything for my levels to get the best possible.... and I recommend everyone to do the same, because if the creator doesn't look after his "creature", no one will. Regards, and sorry if my words sound a bit agressive I would have republished too, no doubt about it. I know the general idea is that 'you shouldn't care about the ratings and as long as you've enjoyed creating that's all that matters....'. That's just sentimental crap to me tbh. No one who has spent any serious amount of time creating a level likes to see it with an unjustifiably low rating. Yes, the opinions of the members here are my first concern and those matter to me a lot. But there's no doubt that if you've spent a lot of time on something that it's nice to see it do well with everyone else too. It's not as if republishing it hurts you in anyway. It takes two minutes to do and gives you a chance of getting what you actually deserve. I see no downside to it.

2009-08-05 14:07:00 Author: jackofcourse Posts: 1494

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I don't think you need all 5 star ratings to actually have 5 stars on the level. I think it is just a cumulative average of over 4.5 stars that rounds to 5 stars. For example, I've played levels with 5 stars and maybe thought they only deserved 4 stars. When I gave it 4 stars, its rating didn't jump down to 4 stars, it stayed at 5 stars.

2009-08-05 14:08:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325

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Ok let's go guys! Rating spree on Sack's On The Beach! 5 star madness. .

2009-08-05 14:27:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Sorry, this is BS (and I've never ever used the BS phrase before on here)! Sack's OTB 2 stars? Space Escape 3 stars? Absolutely ridiculous, both levels are at the very least 4 stars. But, and this is the problem, the ratings are fubar. You either look at the ratings, and decide to play or not to play a level based on the rating. Then, if you DO play it, you rate it honestly based on how it compares with either other levels you've played, or what you thought were its downfalls or good points. Then you get the reactive voting that we've mentioned before (THAT level is 5 stars, NO WAY - 1 star rating given). Rinse and repeat. And there's another problem - lots of people use lots of ways to rate - some fair, some unfair. If it comes down to what a creator thinks their level is worth, we'll all be republishing all our levels until we're satisfied. I never look at the highest rated pages personally. I don't want 600 prizes in 2 minutes thank you. But, for players who want loads of prizes, however crap, they'll rate highly. It's the way of the world. So, what to do? I don't know. I'm a bit of a sad geek, in that I keep a rough list of how many levels I've played - and currently it's just over 6,000. Now out of those, there are a couple of hundred that, in MY view, are worth 5 stars. I can't remember every level, of course, but I'm guessing there were 2,000 worth 1 or 2 stars. And yet, the bulk of levels are rated either 3 or 4 stars. Go figure. FWIW, to RangerZero and jww - personally, I find it a travesty, because I found your levels to be both enjoyable. But maybe I'm biased because I know you, or at least I know OF you. We've all played Dino Island. It's not the most technical level ever, but it's a bit of fun. But when it was FIRST published, it was something we hadn't seen before. I rated it 3 stars, almost but not quite a 4. Point is, we're all different, but it really gets on my nerves when I see ramp/bomb/BS levels get fours and you guys get shafted. Sorry for the ramble.

2009-08-05 14:56:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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On the topic of disappointing ratings... what's new about it? 2 stars is harsh, but we've all had levels start out that low or worse - it's just hard in this situation to reneg on the thousands of plays you have now and republish it from scratch to try and dodge a critical bullet, the way initial bad ratings are usually reversed early on. Even if everything had been working, we'd all be sitting here anyway communally going "3/4 stars... wtf is wrong with these people?" Wether it's someone on here, or random people on the servers giving you the hard nose treatment, it's bound to happen... don't let it eat you up. It's not worth it. I WANT THE BEST FOR MY LEVELS, and I'll publish, republish, delete, restart, move, change icon... I'll do anything for my levels to get the best possible.... and I recommend everyone to do the same, because if the creator doesn't look after his "creature", no one will. Regards, and sorry if my words sound a bit agressive I'm not saying I disagree with you, but how do you feel about spammers doing everything it takes to get their level played? I have tried my hand before at the tricks of the trade, and I end up having hundreds of republishes anyway due to post-publish fixes and changes, but I can never bring myself to just keep pushing it and pushing it to artificially increase my probability of success. I don't even really like asking for launch ratings from friends anymore, or trying to safeguard it by locking it - I don't even know enough people to make it work anyway. As much as I want the thrill of innumerable plays and positive ratings, I want to know it was because my level was good enough to stand out without having to forcefeed it to people harder than the next person. Even against people who trash levels for fun, I'd feel an actual reward if my positive rating won out against them because the overwhelming majority actually felt 100% positive about it, and not because I made it happen that way. Either way, it's nice to see someone be blunt about it, and not beat around the bush... and to pinpoint the idea that nobody will support you as much as you support yourself. I sometimes feel like I give a bit more than I get, and in that case, I might as well do what everyone else does and do for me.

2009-08-05 18:17:00 Author: Unknown User

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Hey, sorry if my earlier words may sound dissonant, I'm not any cotroversial and I loose my temper once every... I don't remember last time I did. JWWphotos, don't worry about the matter with "montevista". As I said he is a nice guy, and I'd say after 2 messages we nearly became friends. And let me tell you I'm glad you consider me a dear friend, because I consider you my best friend since I post in this forum. Jackofcourse, thanks for your "support", I'm sure you're one of the kind who always go ahead with the truth. BSprague, what you say is what everyone should do, but sadly, I bet 80% of the levels get two rates: 5* or 1*. Then the system calculates if it gets 3, 4, ot 5* RangerZero, if you restart you're level, you can count on me to help to raise its range. MsSpookyBuz, you seem quite a reasonable person, but for some reason I get a bit "lost in translation" with your posts xDD. I think you dissagree with republishing, but let me tell you a short story: - I published The Bunker in february, and it got 4 stars, very few plays, but a great heart/play ratio. I spent two months just updating it. Every update, made the ratio even better. I kept updating it untill the end of April, when the level had 4000 plays and 800 hearts. The final updates, made it's heart/play ratio something amaizing, every 5 plays, it got 3 or 4 hearts. If I didn't restart that level, no one would ever know about it. I was sure I had something big in my moon waiting to be republished. I did it, and... well, that's when you probably knew about this level. I don't know if this answer your post. But I'm just trying to justify that republish/restart a level, is not such a mad idea if you think what you've got is something that deserves more luck. I'm not saying I disagree with you, but how do you feel about spammers doing everything it takes to get their level played? When I said spammers, I was reffering to those who rate 1* every level they load (I said load, because they don't even play it). About the spammers you are reffering to, I'll tell you I've never deleted any advertisement of any of my levels. I uderstand how they feel... because I've been one of them. Regards.

2009-08-05 19:44:00 Author: poms Posts: 383

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Your rating is counting Poms. Simply rate it right now. I probably won't republish it after this week. It's tiring to publish a level during 7 days. I certainly won't do it for 14 days (also, people on my friendlist will probably kill me for the notifications). .

2009-08-05 20:01:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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MsSpookyBuz, you seem quite a reasonable person, but for some reason I get a bit "lost in translation" with your posts xDD. I think you dissagree with republishing, Poms, sorry my message got lost in translation. 1. I believe that it is UP TO THE CREATOR whether or not to republish a level to try and get a rating they think it deserves. I AGREE with this. 2. I have told friends in the past to lock their level, and republish it again, to see if they can get the rating they think it deserves. BUT... What happens when a creator gets a 5 star rating, and it appears alongside trophy/prize levels on Highest Rated? Does this make 5 stars meaningless? Do you care THAT much? Whether we create for our friends, ourselves or the community, it is the community that will decide. But some of the same people who rated an outstanding level 5 stars, will have rated a prize level 5 stars also. Are these the opinions you wanted to get? Or do you just want 5 star ratings? I tried to keep this a simple as I could, but please feel free to comment.

2009-08-05 20:38:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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Poms, sorry my message got lost in translation Hope you're not offended What happens when a creator gets a 5 star rating, and it appears alongside trophy/prize levels on Highest Rated? Does this make 5 stars meaningless? Do you care THAT much? To create a level able to compete with this scourge helps somehow to finish with it, or at least make them fade away from 1st page of high ranked. Whether we create for our friends, ourselves or the community, it is the community that will decide. But some of the same people who rated an outstanding level 5 stars, will have rated a prize level 5 stars also. Are these the opinions you wanted to get? Or do you just want 5 star ratings? In my case, I create levels first of all because I like videogames, especially platform videogames, and I like them since they were born. The idea of being able to create your own level... just makes me crazy. Ok, I think we'll agree with that (in fact I think we agree in everything). I create levels as good as my old brain allows me to, and I don't like to see them rated badly, like everyone does. 8 months ago 3 stars for me it was great, 6 months ago not that great, and now 3 stars means somehow I've failed. If I'd tell you I create levels only to get 5 stars it would be only a half true, but a whole big true is I don't create them to get 2 stars.

2009-08-05 21:39:00 Author: poms Posts: 383

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I don't see how this is possible unless you're all being nice to me and make me believe that my level isn't total crap... . Your level? A level by RangerZero? CRAP?! WTF? It's impossible, just cannot happen! (No, this was not wrapped with sarcasm tags by the way...).

2009-08-05 21:43:00 Author: KoRnDawwg Posts: 1424

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Your level? A level by RangerZero? CRAP?! WTF? It's impossible, just cannot happen! (No, this was not wrapped with sarcasm tags by the way...). Exactly what i'm telling me! .

2009-08-05 23:22:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Whoa.... just got back in town and walked into this whole thing at the tail end: Just a thought on ratings.... do I allow a rating on a level to determine how "I" think of it? Not really. But do I care what the rating IS? Absolutely... because the vast amount of kids out there who are playing levels allow the current rating to affect their opinions, and it determines how much effort THEY put into it and what their opinion is. I've proven this several times with republishing levels. So... yeah.... I'm there with some high ratings of my own on this level. Sack's on the Beach AND now Sack's in the city are absolutely fantastic levels which everyone can enjoy. And if we don't support the levels which try unique gameplay and take LBP in new directions, no one will!

2009-08-06 00:37:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Well dang it.. Quit leaving town.. we need you! So you are saying that Ranger and possibly I should delete and publish again? Or lock it and publish another copy just for an experiment. I would use another phrase having to do with grins, but I would be escorted from the forum.. I could be swayed, but as I have said I have the responses from here that tells me what I need to know. ..but then at the same time I feel with it being broken I didn't really get a fair shot and that is the part that will probably start bugging me. Thoughts?

2009-08-06 02:41:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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I've already confirmed that this is not the case, but you people go right ahead and ignore me. What do you mean "you people"?

2009-08-06 02:54:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664

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Well dang it.. Quit leaving town.. we need you! So you are saying that Ranger and possibly I should delete and publish again? Or lock it and publish another copy just for an experiment. I would use another phrase having to do with grins, but I would be escorted from the forum.. I could be swayed, but as I have said I have the responses from here that tells me what I need to know. ..but then at the same time I feel with it being broken I didn't really get a fair shot and that is the part that will probably start bugging me. Thoughts? I don't know.... this is actually a situation I had never thought of before.... What happens when the rating system is broken, and you publish and get your level way up in cool pages, and suddenly (and in a TOTALLY uncontrolled manor) the rating system comes back so that the very next player totally controls the entire rating of your level. All I can say is, if you decide to republish I am perfectly happy to put my 5 star and heart on yours, RangerZero's, AND Pom's levels again - because these 3 are absolutely, positively 5 star material.

2009-08-06 03:29:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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I don't know.... this is actually a situation I had never thought of before.... What happens when the rating system is broken, and you publish and get your level way up in cool pages, and suddenly (and in a TOTALLY uncontrolled manor) the rating system comes back so that the very next player totally controls the entire rating of your level. All I can say is, if you decide to republish I am perfectly happy to put my 5 star and heart on yours, RangerZero's, AND Pom's levels again - because these 3 are absolutely, positively 5 star material. ..well, appreciate that. I just am not sure if I will or not at this point. I should have just waited, but I got excited as usual. LOL!! I will keep you posted if I decide I do it. Thanks!

2009-08-06 04:13:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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You know what's the funniest thing right now? The LBP userbase turning on themselves!! 9 comments out of 10 left on my level Sack's On The Beach is about the unjust star rating!! Unbelievable and funny. I really wonder what happened. Now I don't know if I want to delete this part of my "LBP personal history". It's just so "special". .

2009-08-06 17:40:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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LOL!!! I know exactly how you feel. Some of the comments left on mine are the best I have ever gotten as they include the "WHAT?? How is this rated so low" type of message as well as being from a huge cast of "characters" both known and unknown. I would just hate to lose those comments!! Plus I have gotten so many cool PSN messages from folks.. just really cool to have so much support even though the ratings don't exactly show it.

2009-08-06 17:56:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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