Archive: 29 posts

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I feel compelled to stand up for LBP somewhat. I know there is a general concensus on this forum that the LBW pales in comparison to here. However, if a LBW member came to this site, I'm sure most would think the same but the other way around. The truth is, they're totally different types of communities, they both approach and see the game in totally different ways. The average age over there must be around 15, there is the odd older player, but the majority are quite young. Here, I'd say it is the other way around. The threads over there compared to here are about totally different things. Here, they are discussion based, with most posts containing a lengthy word count that reflects that posters opinion in depth. Over there, you're lucky if each post is more than a line long and they're mostly about games, DLC, and forming 'Clans and Groups'. Do we all prefer LBPC? yes. But it's just an opinion. Most over at the workshop would think differently. We just view the game from a completely different perspective. A massive part of this site is about the creation aspect of the game, and this is where a lot of the members put most of their time into. LBW is different, it's all about making friends and running around doing daft things with your fellow Sackboys. Hence why the clans and groups that I mentioned earlier are so popular. I honestly think that the H4H Bounty Hunters are doing more good than harm, sure they're a few that are taking it a bit too far with the whole, 'Anti H4H levels.' But the majority are fighting for a cause that they believe in, and having fun along the way. Isn't a big part of this game about expressing yourself? As long as they keep perspective of what they're doing and don't get carried away, I do believe it will help. A lot of the H4H'ers are young and forgive the generalistion, impressionable, if it they can get it out there more that H4H is frowned upon, maybe it will help. Anyway I digressed slightly there, I'll save discussion on whether what they're doing is good and bad for its own thread. Basically, what I'm saying is, yes we all PREFER this site, but I think it's wrong to say it's 'better'. The reason we are here is because LBPC caters our needs in a way that LBW never could. However, the members over at LBW are thinking exactly the same about their site. This started as a post in the H4H Bounty Hunters thread but my point grew slightly, so thought I'd start a topic on it. Reading it back it seems a little more aggressive than I intended. I know all you members are very fair and up for a discussion however, so please take this more as an observation than an attack

2009-07-17 19:48:00 Author: jackofcourse Posts: 1494

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Good topic. I was (and still am) a member of LBW. I'm probably not the best person to comment as I fall into the older age group, and felt a little out of place with most of the discussion centred around Nariko codes and begging Sam Protagonist for news of the latest costumes and DLC. Slightly off-topic, but I also got the distinct impression that certain members of the site drove people like Rayvolution off LBP altogether with snide jibes and over-cynical remarks. The average age may be young, but hurtful comments still cut deep. All in all, around the time of the Cool Levels reset, I remember searching on the topic, coming here, and finding people like wexfordian and CCubbage (even though he won't remember!), having a long, mature discussion about the future of LBP. Ever since, I've been coming here, and only rarely going on LBW. Cheers, MrsSB

2009-07-17 20:00:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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I still am a member of LBW and post there as much as I post here really. However, this site is far more interesting discussion wise, no doubt. I wouldn't say that anything but Rayvolutions own ego stopped him playing the game though. Everyone loved him over there, I am probably one of the only people on the site who wasn't a fan. His attitude was pretty bad, and I believe that was his downfall in the end. He couldn't take it that just as his level was about to reach page 1 on the cool levels, they did the whole reset and reshuffle of the system. So he quit the game.

2009-07-17 20:04:00 Author: jackofcourse Posts: 1494

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Oh, I remember (from MsSpookyBuz's comment)! That was when we were all just getting used to the new rules. But, I definately have nothing against LBW. This is the right site for ME. I get along well with mature kids, but a lot of the things mentioned here is why I shy away from that site. But, whereever people have fun! Thats the point of all this. From looking at other forums, I can see a slow and steady increase in the really mature, talented creators becoming more active over here, however. (and I still prescribe to my earlier views of cool pages... I think if you look back we're seeing a lot of the behavior that we forcast)

2009-07-17 20:07:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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I just think that LBW needs a design overhaul and a good mod team. Those two things are my main bugbears with it.

2009-07-17 20:13:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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Hmm, well, we'll probably have slightly differing opinions of that episode. Suffice to say, he may have seemed slightly arrogant to some, but that was the pedestal he was put upon. Perhaps, in certain eyes, it's just like you, or me, or wex, or etc etc. How many friends did you have before LBP? 1, 10, 100? I had 6. I published Dragon Rider and I had 40 friends requests in 2 days. Yes, I felt chuffed, but you'd think that I was some kind of God with some of the comments. I tried to be friendly to everyone, but invariably, some of the very same people who thought I was the best thing since sliced bread, suddenly thought I was the Devil's Daughter when I wouldn't add them, or when I said I wasn't really interested in costumes! Anyway, you're from Manc. I'm literally 20 miles away, so you know all about how different people have differing opinions on things like footie, but yet live near each other's back yard!

2009-07-17 20:13:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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Hmm, well, we'll probably have slightly differing opinions of that episode. Suffice to say, he may have seemed slightly arrogant to some, but that was the pedestal he was put upon. Perhaps, in certain eyes, it's just like you, or me, or wex, or etc etc. How many friends did you have before LBP? 1, 10, 100? I had 6. I published Dragon Rider and I had 40 friends requests in 2 days. Yes, I felt chuffed, but you'd think that I was some kind of God with some of the comments. I tried to be friendly to everyone, but invariably, some of the very same people who thought I was the best thing since sliced bread, suddenly thought I was the Devil's Daughter when I wouldn't add them, or when I said I wasn't really interested in costumes! Anyway, you're from Manc. I'm literally 20 miles away, so you know all about how different people have differing opinions on things like footie, but yet live near each other's back yard! Very true. I see your point. I am just basing my opinion on how I seen him talk about his levels over there, he did admit he was arrogant, but accompanied it by saying that he thought he made great levels so it was justified to a degree. It's all about opinions, I guess, his thread titles and just general 'god like' attitude just put me off to be honest. A lot of the older members were the same and asked of him to have a bit of humility, whilst the others 'OMGZZZ' at his levels. Thinking about it, he is a great example of how that community differs from this one. If he was on this site, he would just be 'another creator' like you and I. Over there, he was viewed as the best of the best. Just because there wasn't really anyone else on that site making consistently decent levels at that time.

2009-07-17 20:21:00 Author: jackofcourse Posts: 1494

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You're right. I still love Simplexity, but I thought he had difficulty handling praise to some degree. I'm sure, jack, you must've been in a friend of a friend's pod, and they've gone crazy with 'OMG, it's jackofcourse!' and hugged you till you had to make an excuse! I was in the same situation. One young player actually said 'OMG, it's MrsSpookyBuz, somebody pinch me!'. Now, comments like that, although charming and lovely, belong in the film star/rock star world, not mine! Let me put it another way, if we were in a pub now as LBP creators, I would be the one near the log fire quivering in fear. Yes, I am really THAT shy. But LBP, and to some degree on here, I can use a slightly different persona and one that I'm comfortable with. At home as I type this, I'm Lisa, a 39 year old woman; on LBP I'm MrsSpookyBuz, the creator who makes such-and-such. It's weird. I know you'll feel similar too. But, LBPC is the site where I feel most comfortable. Again, that's down to my age I suppose. But never have I experienced a phenomenon about a game. there's aspects I would change, but crikey, it's something I would regret if I wasn't involved with it.

2009-07-17 20:33:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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You're right. I still love Simplexity, but I thought he had difficulty handling praise to some degree. I'm sure, jack, you must've been in a friend of a friend's pod, and they've gone crazy with 'OMG, it's jackofcourse!' and hugged you till you had to make an excuse! I was in the same situation. One young player actually said 'OMG, it's MrsSpookyBuz, somebody pinch me!'. Now, comments like that, although charming and lovely, belong in the film star/rock star world, not mine! Let me put it another way, if we were in a pub now as LBP creators, I would be the one near the log fire quivering in fear. Yes, I am really THAT shy. But LBP, and to some degree on here, I can use a slightly different persona and one that I'm comfortable with. At home as I type this, I'm Lisa, a 39 year old woman; on LBP I'm MrsSpookyBuz, the creator who makes such-and-such. It's weird. I know you'll feel similar too. But, LBPC is the site where I feel most comfortable. Again, that's down to my age I suppose. But never have I experienced a phenomenon about a game. there's aspects I would change, but crikey, it's something I would regret if I wasn't involved with it. I agree 100%. That's to some degree why I am on this site more than there these days. I definitely participate with this community more than over on LBW, my posts over there are usually just to help someone out or something quick and easy. Partly, *grasps that humility* because of the reputation I have over there now. Whenever I post something I get replies 'When's your next level out?!!?' 'I love your levels!! Can you help me with mine?' etc etc. I'm sure most creators on this site have experienced it, but it's quite common now over there due to being there since the early days. Hence why I enjoy my retreat here where I'm just another Sackboy Like I said earlier this site is definitely creating focused, whereas on LBW there isn't many regulars who are 'established creators'. So the ones who are, get a lot of attention. (However, I'm not going to lie, when needed, I definitely use it to my advantage to promote my levels haha

2009-07-17 20:42:00 Author: jackofcourse Posts: 1494

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The average age over there must be around 15, there is the odd older player, but the majority are quite young. Here, I'd say it is the other way around. Not really, I'd say average here is around 15, with a few older members. On LBW the average age seems to be 11. One thing I don't like about LBW is that they're lazy. They rely on StevenI to copy and paste all the blog posts for them, instead of checking the sites, meaning they're always hours, if not days, behind us. There are also tons of H4Hers, and the other members don't seem to know what they're talking about. Yes. *goes to the Isle of Wight*

2009-07-17 21:03:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291

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There's nothing wrong with exploiting your reputation to good use. After all, yes, you create the levels that we all enjoy, but it's them that gave you the reputation! It works both ways though. I will always play the new levels of creators like you and others, because based on past experience, I know they're going to be good. Unfortunately, you and me are only two people. There are countless thousands who would prefer to play bomb levels, kill each other levels and whatever, and every other level that takes over a nanosecond to play they rate low. Hardly fair, but there you go. We may have a fan base, but it's low compared to the whole community. But before I go on, I must apologise for both my rambling, and for taking your thread a bit off kilter.

2009-07-17 21:05:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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They rely on StevenI to copy and paste all the blog posts for them, instead of checking the sites, meaning they're always hours, if not days, behind us. I've got to disagree with that, Steven is on the ball more than Mm most times. If there's any new news, Steven posts it on the forum immediately. If he's not online, then there's a few others that are on the ball in the same fashion too. While I agree, many areas of the site are lacking, I'd say the speed new information get to the forum is definitely one of it's strong points. Just because it's mostly one person who posts it, doesn't mean it's slow...it's just that Steven IS that quick.

2009-07-17 21:07:00 Author: jackofcourse Posts: 1494

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But before I go on, I must apologise for both my rambling, and for taking your thread a bit off kilter. I feel it's all quite relevant. LBW members have closer mindset to the general community than compared to this forum definitely. (No doubt there mindset is slightly better, they're people who like the game enough to go on the forum after all). So commenting on the community is somewhat related to LBW...ish haha As I said earlier this started as a post in the H4H Bounty Hunters thread because people were bashing it quite heavily...and I felt, while there's no problem with them giving their opinion, that some of it was a bit harsher than I had ever seen on this forum and may have been influenced by prejudiced that it had originated at LBW.

2009-07-17 21:14:00 Author: jackofcourse Posts: 1494

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You can't compare the two. They have their own idividual roles and apply to different sets of crowds. If you're a more serious person about the creative aspect and constructive criticism, you come to LBPC. If you're more straightforward and just want to socialize and be more interactive, you go to LBW. The reason I came here is that this site relates to almost every other forum I've been on (Criterion Games, New Element, Operation Burnout, etc.), so I feel more comfortable. Others would think the exact same thing about LBW. The only reason you would compare the two is so that out of some sort of false self-righteousness, the site you post to is by the far the more superior choice than the other. So are both sites equal? No. Not in the sense of every individual whose opinions are theirs. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but when you finally crunch up the numbers, people don't really care which is better. They're still going to go to the site they post to. And with that, I'd have to say that the comparison is obsolete. Both have their benefits, both have their withdrawls, and the public is satisfied either way. I hope this clears up any confusion, and have a nice day.

2009-07-17 21:48:00 Author: Outlaw-Jack Posts: 5757

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You can't compare the two. They have their own idividual roles and apply to different sets of crowds. If you're a more serious person about the creative aspect and constructive criticism, you come to LBPC. If you're more straightforward and just want to socialize and be more interactive, you go to LBW. The reason I came here is that this site relates to almost every other forum I've been on (Criterion Games, New Element, Operation Burnout, etc.), so I feel more comfortable. Others would think the exact same thing about LBW. The only reason you would compare the two is so that out of some sort of false self-righteousness, the site you post to is by the far the more superior choice than the other. So are both sites equal? No. Not in the sense of every individual whose opinions are theirs. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but when you finally crunch up the numbers, people don't really care which is better. They're still going to go to the site they post to. And with that, I'd have to say that the comparison is obsolete. Both have their benefits, both have their withdrawls, and the public is satisfied either way. I hope this clears up any confusion, and have a nice day. Exactly, that was pretty much what I was getting at. (Apart from the have a nice day bit...that I'm not really fussed about )

2009-07-17 21:56:00 Author: jackofcourse Posts: 1494

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I talk to CENTURION about the pros and cons of both sites alot... he gets the same "OMG itz U!" thing, and it's funny because it's all based on in-game status. I know if he had a flash drive and a PC, he could go to LBW and post a level compilation thread titling himself as king of cool pages ala Rayvolution, and be set up quite nicely... as long as he esteems himself as a cut above the rest, people will buy into it. What would he really gain that he doesn't already have? Then again, he types with a controller on his PS3 and can't really engage in the longwinded discussions and F4F here, so there's not much he can gain here either. Regardless, if you're a serious creator, LBPC is home to your peers and not your pupils... and the core base of talent here is unmatched by any fansite, evergrowing, and constantly challenging each other to improve with each subsequent release. Funny collision of worlds, though... I referred TheSeraphor and Cdubb024 here a long while ago, from TheWorkshop. I remember picking Seraphor's "Escheresque" level for the inactive spotlight, when there used to be an activity requirement to get an "active member" spotlight write up... he ended up calling the site protocol elitest and throwing a tantrum in the spotlight thread. Cdubb024 posted a "level shack" style thread, and got maybe 3 replies, 1 of which was mine. When I realized the boards were just two different worlds, I stopped trying to be a gobetween. On the flipside, I referred IceMaiden here (LadyLuck did too), and her series was too hard to ignore and very difficult to critique - it had a style that meshed perfectly with what people here aspire to... deep, engaging adventures, that take a huge level of time, discipline, and commitment to produce. She is also a humble and appreciative person (even though she could easily get away with having an ego) - all of this seems to be the formula for success on LBPC. There are no superstars here.

2009-07-17 22:19:00 Author: Unknown User

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There are no superstars here. Except me! :hero: ... I unno, just kinda odd that I'm famous here and yet a fairly horrible creator <_>... Very odd indeed :kz: But yeah... I'm not too sure I remember TheSeraphor... Name's familair, but I just checked, but, uh... <_> ... Makes sense, since back then I was holed up in the Spam can and... well, uh... Anyway, I do remember some guy who had an argument over the activity requirement for site filmers... waitwut...? <_> ... Ok, back on focus... I never even bothered to register at the workshop <_>. ... mayeb I did actually, but I forget D:. LBPC just... is my place O_o, despite not being too good a creator <_>. So yeah, there are many people who aren't too good creators, but, in my experience, many of them are the older people from here who are active stillor... well, I'll just stop talking and end with one last <_>

2009-07-17 22:28:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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I remember that guy too. He was ahead of his time. That was way back before no activity-requirements and before F4F, when you couldn't get a single reply to your threads unless you paid your dues and replied to EVERY thread in the showcase. Getting along here used to be hard work, and it was nothing but cliques. Those were the days, when OCK was the only friendly person here.

2009-07-17 22:50:00 Author: Unknown User

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if you're a serious creator, LBPC is home to your peers and not your pupils Exactly. I think this statement kind of summed it up.

2009-07-17 23:53:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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This is definitely the site for me. I VERY rarely go over there, the only reasons I go over there are to check on the threads I have subscribed to, to see if I got any PMs, or to check on the LittleBigReview Group. Most of the people over there act very childish at times whereas most of the people over here are very civilized and nice to talk to (generally).

2009-07-18 02:15:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318

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When I realized the boards were just two different worlds, I stopped trying to be a gobetween. I'm 2 for 2 on refering people here, AAAlone and Jackofcourse, both great, mature people which fit the criteria of what I believe about this site. I don't really know maybe it was just bad timing for those 2 guys but attention definitely has to be payed to the kind of person that's being referred here for the reasons that were mentioned in the thread.

2009-07-18 02:48:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318

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LBPC = FTW LBW = FTW/FTL No one is active there, and all the threads are just random things no one cares about. While here, we can actually discuss. (I never posted in LBW, only like 3 times)

2009-07-18 02:57:00 Author: Unknown User

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I knew that LBW existed but I never felt the need to go there. LBC has a community I enjoy.

2009-07-18 03:45:00 Author: RickTheRipper Posts: 345

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Well, I won't post my opinions about the subject in too much depth as most of what's to be said has already been said. I'll just say (or type?) that I agree that it's wrong to state that one site is better then the other and treat it as a fact, but I just prefer it over at LBPC much more as people here seem to be more mature and friendly, and deep discussions are made in a lot of topics.

2009-07-18 10:00:00 Author: lk9988 Posts: 1077

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I referred IceMaiden here (LadyLuck did too) May I take this opportunity to say how glad I am that you both ushered me in this direction. Thank you. I am painfully shy and lacking in confidence but the generosity and support from the members of this forum is slowly bringing me out of my shell. I have no experience of LBW so it would be unfair of me to comment either way, I am however, If I may be so bold, glad it was this forum that I was directed to! Icey

2009-07-18 22:50:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057

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I am painfully shy and lacking in confidence but the generosity and support from the members of this forum is slowly bringing me out of my shell. Icey All I can say, Icey, is that I'm exactly the same. I'm really glad you're here, and you are a very talented creator.

2009-07-18 23:05:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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I'm actually glad it called me a "Bright Young Thing" and rejected me. If it didn't do that, I wouldn't be here, and I would've continued H4H. After a while of being on LBPC, I decide to make a new user to use for PS Home, and I later used that PSN for LBW. I've only posted 3 or 4 times, but I like the wide variety of topics I can choose from. (Between the 2 forums) BARBED-WIRE Invited me to make logos for people with him, so I'm on that thread quite a bit. When I posted in the thread, I did include a link to my "Request-A-Sticker" Thread here on LBPC, to both advertise LBPC and to get more business. After I found out that the H4H Bounty Hunters had a website (http://www.h4hbountyhunters.forumotion.net/), I didn't go on LBW quite as much, I was on that website more. LBW isn't better than LBPC; and LBPC isn't better than LBW. It just matters what thread you want to post in

2009-07-18 23:09:00 Author: tjb0607 Posts: 1054

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If you're a more serious person about the creative aspect and constructive criticism, you come to LBPC. If you're more straightforward and just want to socialize and be more interactive, you go to LBW. This is what I was about to say. It's exactly what I had in mind. LBPC: CREATE LBW: PLAY It's that simple.

2009-07-19 04:15:00 Author: Chump Posts: 1712

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Don't Create and Play go hand-in-hand, I mean, where the creators are (here) is where the great levels to play are.

2009-07-19 05:24:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318

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