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How much do you care about H4Hers, Level Copiers, Spammers etc.? Do you just ignore them or do you do something about it (like message them asking them to stop)? I'm asking because I want to see if the rest of the community agrees with how I feel about it. I feel that I have to do something about it if Mm isn't going to do it. How do you feel?

2009-07-04 01:24:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318

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It's a bit harsh to label someone as "the worst LBPer ever" There are lots of annoying players like him, you just have to do your best to ignore them

2009-07-04 01:37:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100

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What about the reporting system? If he/she gets enough reports can't we shut him down?

2009-07-04 06:47:00 Author: snowyjoe Posts: 509

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Personally, I do care about issues like this. And I'm sure my viewpoint is fairly well known by now. This is a Family Game, but some individuals feel the need to publish tasteless garbage that is very offensive to many. How a resposible corporation could allow the more offensive and tasteless levels to continue is beyond me. With that said, it's apparent nothing will change unless there is a voice that can't be ignored, or a community that has had enough decides to make a difference. I have classified these in order of most to least abusive. 1. Offensive (direct attack on an ethnic or religious group, etc.) 2. Tasteless (cursing, blatant sexual overtones, pornography, etc.) 3. Blatant copying of another's work and passing it off as their own 4. H4H and Spamming. Rick

2009-07-04 07:31:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567

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I've removed the video Dexiro posted and deleted all posts unrelated to the original topic. Please keep comments on topic from now on. Thanks.

2009-07-04 07:56:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Changed the title and first post to something for better discussion.

2009-07-05 16:47:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318

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H4H'ers don't really annoy me a huge amount. but then, I've not had to contest with many of them. I don't like level copiers at all, but they seem to be more tolerated than the less dangerous H4H'ers. H4H'ers are all about getting the trophies though, so I figure they should all eventually die out and only the people who create for fun will be left

2009-07-05 16:52:00 Author: Coxy224 Posts: 2645

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This is that there are alot of problematic players so unless we are a "group", we can't influence much things outside behaving good and releasing as much as quality levels as we can / feel to. Here again I blame Molecule who had a report system but as with all their online designs, they needed to make it crappy. Why in the hell can't I write at least ONE sentence describing the problem in their good grief? How stupid is this? Good Grief could have served to report anything bad really. .

2009-07-05 16:56:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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H4H'ers are all about getting the trophies though, so I figure they should all eventually die out and only the people who create for fun will be left Oh how I look forward to that day . You would be surprised though, there many H4Hers that have a bunch of hearts and still H4H. I think some just follow what the other idiots are doing and probably don't even know what H4H means.

2009-07-05 16:59:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318

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I just ignore them. You'll never get rid of those types of players, so just pretend they're not there!

2009-07-05 17:06:00 Author: Leather-Monkey Posts: 2266

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I had to edit my earlier post in this thread, in keeping with the new thread topic. Ranger makes a good point that "groups" will have a greater impact in bringing about much needed change. Coxy also makes a good point, but I fear with the continual influx of new LBP owners, that H4H is destined to be pertuated. Rick

2009-07-05 17:06:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567

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Personally I just ignore H4Hers. You're never going to convince them to stop by messaging them. We just have to hope that with the online web portal MM will manage to stifle most of the H4H.

2009-07-05 17:27:00 Author: hilightnotes Posts: 1230

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Personally, I do care about issues like this. And I'm sure my viewpoint is fairly well known by now. This is a Family Game, but some individuals feel the need to publish tasteless garbage that is very offensive to many. How a resposible corporation could allow the more offensive and tasteless levels to continue is beyond me. With that said, it's apparent nothing will change unless there is a voice that can't be ignored, or a community that has had enough decides to make a difference. I have classified these in order of most to least abusive. 1. Offensive (direct attack on an ethnic or religious group, etc.) 2. Tasteless (cursing, blatant sexual overtones, pornography, etc.) 3. Blatant copying of another's work and passing it off as their own 4. H4H and Spamming. Rick I agree with Rick's list. As much of an annoyance as H4H levels are, it's not that hard to ignore them.

2009-07-05 17:36:00 Author: Sackdragon Posts: 427

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Coxy also makes a good point, but I fear with the continual influx of new LBP owners, that H4H is destined to be pertuated. Rick False. The more time advances, the less there is new players starting to play the game. This means that H4Hes will vanish over time. As time passes, only hardcore players, dedicated to creation and playing other people's levels for better reasons will stay around. The "mainstream" group of people will be soon playing some other new game. .

2009-07-05 18:45:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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The thing that many of you don't seem to get is that H4H don't do it just to get the trophy, but to either to make it to the top cool pages or seems to make them feel "Special" for some reason... So its not gonna "die out." We should be given an option to "Grief" all those kinds of levels. (Exept copied levels, since many copycats would use it to their advantage to remove the original level.) If we were allowed to do so THEN this whole thing would stop/ die out, or at least be less common than before...

2009-07-05 20:33:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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I'm pretty sure that when someone publishes a level they would rather have praise and criticism in comments rather than "H4H" or "PLAY MY LVLS PLZ".

2009-07-05 20:47:00 Author: Arkei Posts: 1432

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Personally, I do care about issues like this. And I'm sure my viewpoint is fairly well known by now. This is a Family Game, but some individuals feel the need to publish tasteless garbage that is very offensive to many. How a resposible corporation could allow the more offensive and tasteless levels to continue is beyond me. With that said, it's apparent nothing will change unless there is a voice that can't be ignored, or a community that has had enough decides to make a difference. I have classified these in order of most to least abusive. 1. Offensive (direct attack on an ethnic or religious group, etc.) 2. Tasteless (cursing, blatant sexual overtones, pornography, etc.) 3. Blatant copying of another's work and passing it off as their own 4. H4H and Spamming. Rick That Holocoaut level was banned as soon as it was brought to MM's attention. I saw the thread where it was originally posted, and saw their direct reply. As far as plagiarism goes... I loathe it more than anything else, as far as inconsequential matters are concerned. I used to frequent alot of lyric, music and poetry forums where there was always someone who would copy things from other sites off unknown artists and writers and pass it off as their own. Some people would even post up full audio tracks as their own, banking on the fact that the artist was completely unknown. I saw instances like this on a regular basis for years, and I became very keen at spotting these people, as I was ably to assay inconsistencies in writing that alluded to some sort of name change, or misuse of terminology... anything really. Anytime I found a person who I had a gut instinct about, I'd go wayyyy out of my way to prove it, and I was never wrong. It really doesn't affect anyone in the long run, and this is such a relatively unimportant and small time medium, but it's just the audacity, ignorance, and deceitful nature of plagiarism that irks me so much. It's just an extension and example of so many other personality traits that tie in with every negative thing about people's attitudes and values... and when it comes to anything like art, music, and expression that people hold near and dear; IMO, that's off limits. Things like that are usually really important to the people they come from.

2009-07-05 21:58:00 Author: Unknown User

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False. The more time advances, the less there is new players starting to play the game. This means that H4Hes will vanish over time. As time passes, only hardcore players, dedicated to creation and playing other people's levels for better reasons will stay around. The "mainstream" group of people will be soon playing some other new game. . RangerZero, I could agree that the total number of H4H'ers would diminish over time, as some lose interest in LBP and jump on a new game that takes the market by storm...leaving their LBP disk in the dust so to speak. Although I haven't been recording the actual number of H4H levels and occurrences of Spamming, everytime I play online, or go to leave a comment, it seems like these numbers are continuing to increase, and have not yet peaked. I wonder if anyone has actually compiled any statistical data on this? It could shed some additional light on the subject. Rick EDIT: Well stated NinjaMicWZ. I think your point..."and when it comes to anything like art, music, and expression that people hold near and dear; IMO, that's off limits. Things like that are usually really important to the people they come from."...captures the essence of an argument against plagiarism.

2009-07-05 23:07:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567

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The problem with the theory of H4H diminishing over time is that there are really only a small portion of people who spam the crap out of all of the cool pages levels. So, even if the overall user base goes way down, we can still expect there to be this small percentage of people continuing the trend. It doesn't take many people to make the problem seem bigger than it is. My AS level that just made it to cool pages is getting pretty bombarded at the moment, but a lot of the comments I get are from the same 20 or so guys, who keep coming back to post more (One kid has posted like 15 times already - I don't want to 'ply' his 'sak factory lv'...) I couldn't be happier for all of the plays, but it's frustrating trying to respond to people who are stuck in the level when their comments are buried under spam.

2009-07-06 00:44:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338

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I feel it is fairly ridiculous when levels that aren't even popular are subject to attack. I have very low plays on some of my levels, and I'll still see "H4H" or "play my level", and to me it is just disgusting. Blatant self-promotion is low, especially all for a clump of pixels that amount to a platinum trophy. Granted, I have found 1 or 2 good levels that way, but forums like these are good places to promote your levels, not someone else's work. If I work hard on something, I don't want someone to paint over it. Why would I want people defiling my comment section with comments that are completely useless to me. It's bad that it is at the point where people have to add it into their description or leave a comment saying that they don't do "H4H" and whatnot. I have to check my comments sections fairly regularly, because I don't want people adding pointless things to it.

2009-07-06 01:18:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325

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They all annoy me rather, but the only ones i pay attention to are teh level copiers. H4Hers are annoying... but they're also everywhere. in my opinion theres not much you can do to stop em, even in force. I'm not sure i like the anti H4H stuff so much either, as though they have a point a lot of the time its still promoting bad levels (i'd rather play an actual level than an explanation on why H4H is evil)... but enough about that. Spammers are annoying... but what can you do? Deleting the spam would take forever, and i generally ignore them anyway. plus, i've never had a level good enough to recieve spam Level copiers are my worst grief though. In real life, if someone copies a famous painting and passes it off as the real thing, thats forgery, its a crime, it can put you in jail for a long time. In LBP if someone copies a level and republishes, its still forgery, but they won't get in trouble, and people won't know its copied unless they've played teh original. Case in point, AAAlones moving parts level. And the problem just multiplies, which makes it even worse. Think of all the copies of that "Distress in Ocean" level, it makes me sick at all the posers trying to pass off unoriginal work in an attempt to get hearts, which is a stupid thing in itself (IMO hearts are only meaningful if they are deserved). And once the level is copied, anyone who copied it can make it copyable. Defmunky666 recently (i think) made his Desert Survival 1 level copyable, i searched for "Desert Survival" recently, and saw a ridiculous amount of copies. most didnt even bother to change anything aside from the description which said who made it. i even saw one person who said it was different because they made explosive crates go off when you shot them with a paintinator... i mean seriously, attatching a switch makes the level original? I think not. (and yes, someone had the level up for copies aside from defmunky). ...okay, enough ranting for now, you get the picture.

2009-07-06 05:16:00 Author: Burnvictim42 Posts: 3322

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H4Hers have been around for quite a while. Why, one of my "previous" Friends were one. They'd act all nice to you, play your levels, talk nicely about you, perhaps even let you help create a level... then suddenly ask you to heart both them and their level. That's when you realize they're a H4Her. Because once you heart them (and their levels),BAM! You ain't friends no more. I've always hated H4Hers... but not to a passion. They don't bug me as much as probably the others here (I don't publish levels that often ). Yet I can't help but realize this is just growing out of hand. And I know LittleBIGPlanet has the word "Share" implemented into it's motto, but seriously: Would you call whining, ranting and bickering your way to get a heart for a ridiculous trophy "Sharing"? ---- ------. You could probably fill the blanks. Again, I haven't approached this problem yet, but I know once I publish my theater (I'll explain more later), somebody will manage to copy it, whether it be an error on my part or through plain trickery. I don't see people on here getting there levels copied (except IceMaiden), but I know it's out there. This, to me, is like a modified version of a H4Her. Once their whining and horrible level-making phases are over, they'll revert to stealing others' creations.This is just so immature on so many levels. Stealing someone hard's work just so you don't have to work? Pitiful. Spammers. I swear, their smart-allecky attitudes and idiotic remarks really annoy me. Sure, I haven't got any yet, but that doesn't mean it won't happen later. Yet, as Burnvictim said, "What can you do?" There really is nothing you can do... and nothing you should do. The best way to avoid annoyances is to not even acknowledge them. You just simply ignore them. The only reason they do that is so they feel better about themselves and to make you feel bad. Besides, the community that actually "likes" your levels will ward them off soon enough.

2009-07-06 05:43:00 Author: Outlaw-Jack Posts: 5757

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haha, your comment actually reminds me of something. when i used to quick play (wow, that was a while ago) occationally i'd end up with someone for a while, and they'd send me a buddy request. As this was my only source of communication with other players (also pre joining LBPC) i'd often accept so i could have friends to play with. But a lot of the players i buddied then told me "heart me and my levels"... i didn't end up with many friends after i told them i didn't h4h, and i had to explain what i meant by that, people were confused!

2009-07-06 06:00:00 Author: Burnvictim42 Posts: 3322

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The annoy me since they get a lot of feedack and they don't deserve it. And the worst of all is that they lower the quality of the stuff. I made a level the first week I got the game. It was seriously lame (I thought it was good because I hadn't saw anything from other users yet. At that time stuff like Azure Palace was already uploaded. Anyway I created a bad level with lame mechanics, etc...but I never did anything like H4H, I never even thought about it. This is really cheatin'. Anyway, I feel you can't do anything. If someone starts to report H4H levels, then H4Hers will begin to report everything, everywhere and whenever. The only thing is that every level that reaches 500/1000 hearts should be checked by MM and they should reward it (maybe with a crown if it's a good level) or shut it down (if it's clearly rubber H4H stuff)

2009-07-06 08:05:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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I wonder if anyone has actually compiled any statistical data on this? It could shed some additional light on the subject. Actually, from my experience in the industry and personally following sales and trends, a game is having its most sales in the first 2 months of its release. As for online peaks, this happens after a month or two, unless you are some MMO. (because at that point, people have pretty much finished buying the game and now they are playing online). There's no easy statistic to tell though. Right now we can only rely in anectodal evidence with LBP.... wich tells us pretty much nothing. We have an interesting stat in the game though. I would be curious to methodically watch the number of players online at a given time, a given day of the week. I'd like to see if this number is increasing or decreasing. .

2009-07-06 15:09:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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I usually just ignore the H4Her's comments on my levels and I ignore any level that says "H4H pleaze!!@!" in the description. I've had a few people on my friends list that have sent a "H4H" messages to me before and I immediately remove them.

2009-07-06 16:34:00 Author: mrsupercomputer Posts: 1335

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Well, I don't hate people who h4h, as they're just people too, and most of em' are probably just little kids who don't understand that it's cheating for a computerised trophy. That aside, yeah, h4h is pretty, well cheating to say the least. I wish it would stop, but there's not much you can do about h4h. Sending them a message won't work, reporting a h4h level won't work, uploading anti-h4h pictures won't work, and I could just go on. As that doesn't work, I just ignore h4h comments on my levels. If there's really something that's bad on LBP though, it's stealing other's creations.

2009-07-06 20:46:00 Author: lk9988 Posts: 1077

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The two things that annoy me about H4H are: 1) The comment spamming. Irritates me no end sifting through a million H4H requests to get to proper feedback. 2) New comers have to search for quality levels in a sesspit of H4H levels. The first port of call for the uninitiated will be cool levels and I think that would put many off. I find myself telling people who are curious to look up my hearted levels so they can see what`s really out there. I harbour no hatred of H4H, it is only a game after all but I do think that Mm should be doing more to shunt it out of view so that it doesn`t become the unofficial 'face' of the user created levels.

2009-07-06 23:16:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096

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i think h4h is funny. it's done tons of damage to the community, but there is one good thing it's done. with so many people participating in h4h, it makes the creators that actually make good levels try harder, which in turn brings out better levels. now it was inevitable for people to make better levels as time went on, but h4h seems to have sped up the process.

2009-07-06 23:56:00 Author: RickTheRipper Posts: 345

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i think h4h is funny. it's done tons of damage to the community, but there is one good thing it's done. with so many people participating in h4h, it makes the creators that actually make good levels try harder, which in turn brings out better levels. now it was inevitable for people to make better levels as time went on, but h4h seems to have sped up the process. I don't see how it encourages us to make better levels. It's the opposite actually. If we had proper feedback instead of "YO PLZ H4H LULZ" and if we had decent ratings instead of spammers, we would totally be encourage in creating more. .

2009-07-07 01:15:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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I don't see how it encourages us to make better levels. It's the opposite actually. If we had proper feedback instead of "YO PLZ H4H LULZ" and if we had decent ratings instead of spammers, we would totally be encourage in creating more. . well, when you see a crappy level get lots of plays/hearts when compared to your good/great level, it makes you either want to give up or make an even better level. of course, getting positive feedback from actual creators that don't do h4h encourages you more, but i know that i try harder to overcome those h4h pricks when i see them getting all the plays

2009-07-07 06:43:00 Author: RickTheRipper Posts: 345

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RangerZero and RickTheRipper, it's apparent by your two drastically differing viewpoints, that both of you are correct. For Ranger, H4H is a nuisance, and not a motivator for creating better levels. And for RickTheRipper, H4H influences his desire to create better levels, to outshine the competition so to speak. So, both perspectives are valid opinions, although they may differ in weighting when you consider the impact of H4H on a majority. It's the intent of this thread to determine what everyone's unique opinion is regarding the topics of Copying, Tasteless or Offensive, H4H and Spamming. And as such, there has been some great feedback in this thread. Rick

2009-07-08 03:31:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567

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Very well said, Rick. It's nice how you made everyone be right . About the thread, I used to think H4H and spam were as bad as copiers but this thread has made me realize that H4H and Spam are NOTHING compared to copiers. Copiers do way more damage. How we can't report these ******** is just a shame...

2009-07-08 06:15:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318

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I agree with Copiers being more abusive brnxblze, as this can often have a devastating impact on a creator. Many artists, regardless of what the art form is, put their heart and soul into their creation...they breathe life into it...and it becomes their child. To have that creation stolen, is as much a loss to some as losing a child. And it can leave a very painful void. I use this analogy to hopefully enlighten others of the severity of the issue, as it's difficult, if not impossible, to understand if one has never given their entire being, the essence of who they are, to something they have created with their own two hands and mind. Rick

2009-07-09 06:14:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567

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