Archive: 35 posts

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Good news for those people that have a newer SKU PS3 without BC built-in seems like Sony maybe bring it back in a form, using software instead of the ship they used to use. Makes me feel better about if my launch 60GB goes I have the option to get a new one and still be able to play my old games. Even if they sell the download at something like $60 bucks to me it would still be worth it. Source (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/999/999829p1.html)

2009-06-30 23:01:00 Author: OverWork Posts: 873

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I never play my old games on mine even though I have launch model. I never need to with all the new games out now. I guess this is good news to a lot of people though.

2009-06-30 23:21:00 Author: moleynator Posts: 2914

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So they are bringing this back then? Wasn't the software emulation a little sketchy before? Hopefully they will have got it working properly this time. Think I'll be sticking to my PS2 for PS2 games until it dies though.

2009-06-30 23:24:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Hmm? It's still not backwards compatibility if it's not not using the same chipset. It's just emulated really well. I don't know, my 80 GB From '07 seems to run all PS2 games fine, but it's emulated in software.

2009-06-30 23:27:00 Author: Foofles Posts: 2278

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I lost all my PSone games, so I downloaded them. And PS2 games run fine on my PS3. So, um...yeah. There ya go!

2009-06-30 23:38:00 Author: crazymario Posts: 657

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I hope this happens. Shame there are no ps2 controller ports on the ps3. Even if this happens I can't use my 2 ps2 GH controllers.

2009-07-01 08:51:00 Author: midnight_heist Posts: 2513

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Foofles - I'm pretty sure backwards compatibility is the ability to be compatible with old technologies, regardless of the method used to achieve that goal. With regards to the emultation being sketchy, I just thought I read that somewhere, I could very well be wrong. Have to wonder why they would reinvent the wheel if it already worked fine.... Midnight heist - I bought a 2-port ps2 to USB adapter for ?5 on eBay, works like a charm. Saved me ?60 on 2 extra dualshock3s

2009-07-01 09:22:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Ih great, NOW they bring it, after i already traded off all my PS2 games... Altho i still have my .Hack// ones so i can still use those (and maybe finally buy the last 2...)

2009-07-01 09:33:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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Hurray, this is great news!! I dusted of my ps2 a month ago, bought a component cable to have some visual quality on my hdtv and started playing some of my old favourites. But, now thanks to this news I can look forward to playing them upscaled and through and hdmi cable!! Jak II is going to look gorgous, haha!!

2009-07-01 10:47:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173

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This is great news, I'm glad i kept my MGS2 and MGS3 now! Hopefully we will see this up and running in the next couple of months. Plus, have you seen the price of PS2 games now? If you go to the likes of Gamestation in the UK they have PS2 games there for like 50p pre-owned. If you missed out on th classics then buy them cheap when this BC hopefully comes out.

2009-07-01 11:07:00 Author: Arikardo Posts: 158

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O_O. Yeah... I would love to see that happen XD

2009-07-01 12:16:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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does the 80GB PS3 only play PS2 games or can it play both PS1 and PS2 games like the launch models because at some point I thought they made it only limited BC....I could be wrong I maybe the only one that still has the urge to play my really old PS1 games and love that I can in my PS3.

2009-07-01 13:21:00 Author: OverWork Posts: 873

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all PS3s can play PS1 games. The 60 gig and maybe the 20 gig (not sure really :/) have a PS2 built in, and the OLD 80 gig could play software style PS2 games (emulation). The 40 gig, the new 80 gig, and the 160 gig can't.

2009-07-01 13:24:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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This is great news, I'm glad i kept my MGS2 and MGS3 now! Hopefully we will see this up and running in the next couple of months. Plus, have you seen the price of PS2 games now? If you go to the likes of Gamestation in the UK they have PS2 games there for like 50p pre-owned. If you missed out on th classics then buy them cheap when this BC hopefully comes out. In the gamestation in my area i still have to pay ?10-20 for most games Once they've finished this emulation update I think it'd be great to see some PS2 games in the psn store!! Or the least they could do is put ICO and SotC back into production Neither of them are sold anywhere!

2009-07-01 14:28:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100

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Oh i can't wait

2009-07-01 14:48:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662

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I have an '06 launch model and it plays Ps2 games wonderfully.

2009-07-01 14:53:00 Author: Arkei Posts: 1432

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I have a launch 60 GB and a new 80 GB. The only thing that I use the BC for is Ratchet and Clank games, because I love all of them. I just finished playing through the first four again. I have yet to pick up Tools Of Destruction, but it's next on my list. More on-topic: I think it would be great if Sony could cook up 100% software emulation for Playstation 2 games. I know there are a lot of people who just aren't ready to let go of their beloved Playstation 2's, but didn't want to pay $600 for the original Playstation 3, or just missed out on the 80 GB with BC.

2009-07-01 15:52:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325

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This would be useful. Originally I thought 'I'll get a shiny new 80gb cos I'm keeping my PS2 anyway' Thing is, I can't be bothered to unplug my PS3 to plug my PS2 in.

2009-07-01 16:10:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291

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Foofles - I'm pretty sure backwards compatibility is the ability to be compatible with old technologies, regardless of the method used to achieve that goal. With regards to the emultation being sketchy, I just thought I read that somewhere, I could very well be wrong. Have to wonder why they would reinvent the wheel if it already worked fine.... Well, that's already getting into a battle over semantics. lol I guess as far as the end user is concerned it doesn't truly matter, as long as it works... but you see... there's a huge difference between emulation and backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility means natively supporting the old format in hardware. This is pure with no error. Emulation means you are fooling a system into thinking it is another system, with significant processing overhead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backwards_compatible Backward compatibility is the special case of compatibility in which the new component has a direct historical ancestral relationship with the old component. If this special relationship does not exist then it not usually spoken of as "backward" compatibility but is instead just "compatible"?a consistent interface allowing interoperability between components and products that were each developed separately. In other words, the PS3s with the Emotion and other relevant PS2 chips are backwards compatible because they natively support the format - it is guaranteed. PS3s emulating PS2 are not backwards compatible because it's guessing what it should be and is therefore not guaranteed - though it works pretty well. Just like 32-bit operating systems are not necessarily backwards compatible with 16-bit - people generally need to use emulators to play DOS games and such.

2009-07-01 16:14:00 Author: Foofles Posts: 2278

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yeah if you dont have it already i recomend you add backwards compatability, it works really well and if you have a psp as well you can put ps1 games in the ps3 and play them on your psp through the link

2009-07-01 17:32:00 Author: redmagus Posts: 667

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I sold all my ps2 games and now this! O' well.

2009-07-01 17:54:00 Author: Leather-Monkey Posts: 2266

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Well, that's already getting into a battle over semantics. lol I guess as far as the end user is concerned it doesn't truly matter, as long as it works... but you see... there's a huge difference between emulation and backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility means natively supporting the old format in hardware. This is pure with no error. Emulation means you are fooling a system into thinking it is another system, with significant processing overhead. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backwards_compatible In other words, the PS3s with the Emotion and other relevant PS2 chips are backwards compatible because they natively support the format - it is guaranteed. PS3s emulating PS2 are not backwards compatible because it's guessing what it should be and is therefore not guaranteed - though it works pretty well. Just like 32-bit operating systems are not necessarily backwards compatible with 16-bit - people generally need to use emulators to play DOS games and such. Journalist at IGN or PR people front Sony and their press releases never mean something technical like this. When they say "it's backward compatible" it only means you can put your PS2 dvd in there and it works, whatever the means behind. At least they are telling people it's through emulation. Something interesting to note, the patent in question in the article also mention about enhancements. This might mean the simply upscaling but it also leaves a possibility of rendering options. That would be awesome to see this happen. .

2009-07-01 18:15:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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That's great news! I not sure I'd use it much myself though, as I now very rarely play PS2 games.

2009-07-01 18:47:00 Author: lk9988 Posts: 1077

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Well foofles, I stand corrected - I always though that Backwards compatibility was something you could have varying degrees of, like partial compatibility. Probably as RangerZero says because these terms get used so much outside of technical situations. Of course if they made an emulator that could be proven to be 100% guaranteed, then you could have software backwards compatibility... but I don't think Sony are gonna go to that much effort lol.

2009-07-01 21:20:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Midnight heist - I bought a 2-port ps2 to USB adapter for ?5 on eBay, works like a charm. Saved me ?60 on 2 extra dualshock3s Oh coolies, I'll have to pick one of those up if this happens

2009-07-02 12:19:00 Author: midnight_heist Posts: 2513

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Yeah, it's pretty awesome. They are compatible with PS3 gaes as well as long as you don't need sixaxis control and for some reason mine don't have vibration, although this could be due to buying such a cheap adapter You also might want some extension cables, those PS2 controllers really expect you to sit up close!

2009-07-02 12:56:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Sweet. I knew there was a reason I didn't sell my old games.

2009-07-04 23:38:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287

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So any idea when this is getting released?

2009-07-05 01:05:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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i've got one of the old 80 gigs (was lucky enough to get the metal gear bundle, the last available PS3 with PS2 emulation... until now). but my question is this. if the old 80 gig could play PS2 games through software emulation this entire time, why couldn't all of them do it? it was software being handled by the PS3 chipset... the same PS3 chipset that is in all PS3s. so.........................? part of the answer is clearly they all can (since they are all going to), so then the only barrier i can see is configuring ps3s with that software. one would think it would be easy to do as a system update (like they are about to do...), but even if there was some difficulty with that, why wouldn't you just put the software you had already developed on all new PS3s right out of the box?? i'm very confused by this whole thing.

2009-07-05 01:06:00 Author: Conall-Star Posts: 157

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So any idea when this is getting released? Nobody knows. There's no annoucements made by Sony about either a new PS3, a pricedrop or a firmware update containing the PS2 emulation. .

2009-07-05 01:55:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Someone please feel free to correct if I'm wrong here. I bought an 80GB in November, and based on the discussion above, I'm assuming this is the newer 80GB PS3...I never bothered with researching the entire history of PS3...just read product reviews for what was being marketed at that time. If I'm correct in this assumption, when I contacted Sony in November, I was told the PS1 games could be played on the 80GB. This was also stated on their website. I could have been being fed a line of u know what, but I was also told "some" of the PS2 games would work also, but they would never tell me which ones. I wanted to buy a few for my daughter, but was leary.

2009-07-05 02:16:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567

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@Rick: Bought mine in about the same time (You mean of 2008, right?), also an 80 Gig, those don't play PS2 games as far as i know, but play all play PS1 games perfectly fine, so if you want to play PS1 on the PS3 you're good to go, but if you want to play PS2 games you're out of luck m8.

2009-07-05 04:03:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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Wow... I guess PS2-compatibility is worth more than I thought . Unfortunately, the only consoles to play PS2 games are the first 20G, both 60Gs and the first 80G. Due to production costs, both the "emulation" and "Emotion" engines have been cut from manufacturing. They're too expensive to produce now these days. Also, since it's almost time for the PS2 to cease it's 10-year cycle, developers will turn to the PS3 sooner or later. It's a fact of life; as technology becomes obsolete, new technology takes it's place, and it's about time for the PS2 to pass on the torch. Besides, all PS2 games will eventually wind up on the shelves of PSN at a much cheaper price. So don't worry, you'll still be able to play your games (so long as you have the old consoles or a PS2, that is ). At least you don't have to deal with your PS3's "Emotion"s (Shut up, dangit. I'll play games tomorrow. Let me sleep.)

2009-07-05 07:31:00 Author: Outlaw-Jack Posts: 5757

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i've got one of the old 80 gigs (was lucky enough to get the metal gear bundle, the last available PS3 with PS2 emulation... until now). but my question is this. if the old 80 gig could play PS2 games through software emulation this entire time, why couldn't all of them do it? it was software being handled by the PS3 chipset... the same PS3 chipset that is in all PS3s. so.........................? part of the answer is clearly they all can (since they are all going to), so then the only barrier i can see is configuring ps3s with that software. one would think it would be easy to do as a system update (like they are about to do...), but even if there was some difficulty with that, why wouldn't you just put the software you had already developed on all new PS3s right out of the box?? i'm very confused by this whole thing. Yeah this is a good point though I do remember hearing that it was not as good as the older models with the chip in it. things like constant freezing and bad rendering would happen also some games flat out wouldn't play. Maybe they finally perfected the software so that the games maybe get unscaled a bit and load faster or something. Not sure if its even possible to have a old ps2 game be unscaled but would be pretty cool to see games like Shadow of The Colossus be in HD.

2009-07-05 08:22:00 Author: OverWork Posts: 873

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there's actually a great little tool to test the compatibility of any ps1 or ps2 game on either of the applicable systems: http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus it's a little silly to put the 20/60 gig model in that tool as it contains an ACTUAL ps2, so of course all titles will work perfectly, but if you start searching titles you like for the 80 gig you'll find that just about everything plays with very little problem. i've never had any problems. i never had a ps2 so this is my way of playing some great games that i never got to. i played god of war 2, shadow of the colossus, blood omen, and final fantasy X with no problems what so ever. i can't say the "HD" is really all that impressive, but it definitely does smooth out the graphics and all in all things look very pretty. but like i said, i never had an actual ps2 so i can't really compare.

2009-07-05 17:39:00 Author: Conall-Star Posts: 157

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