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Z0MG TEH EKONOMY AND GLOBAL WARMING!		2009-06-24 00:26:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

I'm doubtful of Global Warming but I'm very concerned about the economy...

The thought of a recession doesn't bother me, it helps clear up a lot of the bad practices on the market and helps re-stabilize the economy.

What does worry me is all the money Ben Bernanke and the Federal Reserve are printing to prop up these failed businesses. It punishes the businesses that are actually making a profit, crippling their ability to expand and rewards the businesses that have become unprofitable for whatever reason.

And I don't like to think of any business as "too big to fail," so I actually use the phrase "too politically connected to fail."

Which leads me to another point, the jobs the government is trying to save aren't going to all be lost due the business failing, they will merely be split between other more profitable companies, and the ones that don't produce enough capita will be cut, just like what's happening now, except the fatcats don't get out too.

Also, I think it's sad that the free market is getting blamed for the collapse of the sub prime mortgage sector and the housing bubble, and people think that it was due to lack of regulation, when in fact the sector was and is the most regulated area of in the market! Even before the collapse of the bubble. I'm inclined to say it's overregulation that is the cause of all this mess.

As for srs business, I think this should suffice.

(warning: weird)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npP73QIApFEp		2009-06-24 01:57:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Code1337 speaks 100% truth. It was way too much government interference that led to this market being the way it is now and the whole "too big to fail" corporations existing. The government (whether on their own or by lobbyists) were pushing everything to happen that led to this. And now the government is just doing more of it. This would never happen in a "free market" because nobody would be so above everything as to get bailed out no matter what, you can't compete with something that's not allowed to fail.

And don't joke about global warming, or Al Gore will eat you.		2009-06-24 02:20:00

Author:
Foofles
Posts: 2278

Global warming is a serious issue that will far outlast the detrimental effects of the current economic situation. The world's overconsumptionism and excess industrialism, specifically America's and China's, currently have a ridiculously harmful effect on the state of the Earth's natural defense system that prevents a harmful destabilization of the planet's basic form of homeostasis. The incredibly unhealthy amounts of CO2 put out by cars and manufacturing plants is building up in our atmosphere and causing heat from Earth's surface to not dissipate at it's usual rate, trapping in more heat than previously in our short history here. The effects of global warming are becoming increasingly clear, higher temperatures in turn lead to more extreme weather, and the results are disastrous events such as Hurricane Katrina. The effects of global warming are also showing up on the polar ice caps, because as they melt we are seeing a slow but steady increase the world's average ocean levels, which will eventually result in the submersion of all coastal, or below water level cities beneath the newly melted oceans. The polar ice cap situation also spells out death for all of the ecosystems that dwelled on or around the ice caps, including the now infamously troubled polar bear. This problem cannot be solved or reversed using any current technology, it can only be stopped or slowed by creating new methods of production and transportation that can be widely distributed, and they must not burn fossil fuels or otherwise result in the release of CO2 gas.2009-06-24 02:45:00

Author:
BSprague
Posts: 2325

We can't *not* release greenhouse gases, it doesn't matter what we do.

Sucks.		2009-06-24 03:00:00

Author:
Foofles
Posts: 2278

Temperature has gone down recently.
http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/Temperature%201979%20Satellite%20data%20blog.jpg

I have no doubt that we do release some pollution into the atmosphere, but not nearly enough to change the global climate. Volcanoes cool off the Earth, plants eat up the CO2 in the atmosphere. We obviously do pollute the Earth, but the idea that the Earth will become Venus anytime soon is absurd. The real cause of climate change is Earth's orbit. We're not in a perfect orbit, after all.

The melting of the polar icecaps would not lead the whole world to be engulfed by water, 1 or 2 costal cities get some water damage, and turn into a Venice type thing, but that's not all our fault. There are volcanoes under West Antarctica, the part that's melting.

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/volcanoes-and-antarctic-warming/

Not saying that we shouldn't develop new cleaner technology, but I don't like Global Warming over exaggerated and used as a political tool.		2009-06-24 03:24:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

In RE4L srz bizness, i'm concrnd bout teh lack of cheezburgers for mai kitteh friends. Teh governmint shud srz lay off teh bruger tax. it'z hurtin' teh kittehz. :kz:2009-06-24 03:37:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

Temperature has gone down recently.
http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/Temperature%201979%20Satellite%20data%20blog.jpg

I have no doubt that we do release some pollution into the atmosphere, but not nearly enough to change the global climate. Volcanoes cool off the Earth, plants eat up the CO2 in the atmosphere. We obviously do pollute the Earth, but the idea that the Earth will become Venus anytime soon is absurd. The real cause of climate change is Earth's orbit. We're not in a perfect orbit, after all.

The melting of the polar icecaps would not lead the whole world to be engulfed by water, sure some costal cities may be washed away, or turn into a Venice type thing, but that's not all our fault. There are volcanoes under West Antarctica, the part that's melting.

http://tierneylab.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/volcanoes-and-antarctic-warming/

Not saying that we shouldn't develop new cleaner technology, but I don't like Global Warming over exaggerated and used as a political tool.

Watch "An Inconvenient Truth", its a real eye-opener. And "some coastal cities would be washed away" means that me and the 100,000 other people near me alone lose their houses, not to mention everyone bordering an ocean.		2009-06-24 04:08:00

Author:
BSprague
Posts: 2325

Watch "An Inconvenient Truth", its a real eye-opener. And "some coastal cities would be washed away" means that me and the 100,000 other people near me alone lose their houses, not to mention everyone bordering an ocean.
That's a propaganda film designed to scare you into voting for Al Gore and has many inaccuracies. :/

YouTube - The Great Global Warming Swindle - Produced by WAGTV		2009-06-24 04:17:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

That's a propaganda film designed to scare you into voting for Al Gore and has many inaccuracies. :/

It may be exaggerated in some points, but the majority of it is true and seriously disturbing information.		2009-06-24 04:59:00

Author:
BSprague
Posts: 2325

It may be exaggerated in some points, but the majority of it is true and seriously disturbing information.

But it isn't even called global warming any more. It's called global climate change. Proving that everything in that movie could be out of date by now. And the globe isn't warming any more.

And you should watch that video Code posted.

And thank you Code, for making a serious thread out of my first post. You get a cookie.		2009-06-24 05:28:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

http://www.eia.doe.gov/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

^Both links have information to back up this chart, showing the Total CO2 Emissions Worldwide vs. Yearly Average Temperature^

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/699/gwchart.jpg

Of course this is relative data, not absolute, but there is a clear correlation here.

But I am not a scientist, and therefore I can only rely on the work of others, and base my opinions on that. It may very well be political propaganda in part, but I think something is clearly going on here. How can there be absolutely no consequences for pouring billions of tons of CO2 into the air?		2009-06-24 06:07:00

Author:
BSprague
Posts: 2325

http://www.eia.doe.gov/
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/

^Both links have information to back up this chart, showing the Total CO2 Emissions Worldwide vs. Yearly Average Temperature^

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/699/gwchart.jpg

Of course this is relative data, not absolute, but there is a clear correlation here.

But I am not a scientist, and therefore I can only rely on the work of others, and base my opinions on that. It may very well be political propaganda in part, but I think something is clearly going on here. How can there be absolutely no consequences for pouring billions of tons of CO2 into the air?
No there isn't, and that chart only shows the times that the temperature increased. :/

http://www.threesources.com/global%20temperature%201979-2008.jpg

http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm		2009-06-24 06:44:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

From that very same site that Code got that information from:

Skeptical Science was created by John Cook, an ex-physicist (majoring in solar physics at the University of Queensland). My interest in global warming began when I got into some discussions with a skeptical family member who handed me a speech by Senator Inhofe. It took little research to show his arguments were misleading and lacking in science.

Since then, I've scoured peer reviewed scientific literature in an attempt to penetrate the political agendas and cherry picking. I've noticed two patterns in global warming skepticism. Firstly, many reasons for disbelieving in anthropogenic global warming (AGW) seem to be political rather than scientific. Eg - it's all a liberal plot to spread socialism and destroy capitalism (or sometimes just plain dislike for Al Gore). As one person put it, "the cheerleaders for doing something about global warming seem to be largely the cheerleaders for many causes of which I disapprove".

In other words, SkepticalScience.com was made to COMBAT Global Warming Skeptics.

Check out that link you posted, Code, and take another look. It debunks the argument you are using:


The skeptic argument...

Joe Barton to Al Gore: "An article from Science magazine explains a rise in CO2 concentrations actually lagged temperature by 200 to 1000 years. CO2 levels went up after the temperature rose. Temperature appears to drive CO2, not vice versa." (Source: Office of Congressman Joe Barton)

What the science says...

The CO2 record confirms both the amplifying effect of atmospheric CO2 and how sensitive climate is to change.		2009-06-24 15:21:00

Author:
Orangutan
Posts: 6

Temperature has gone down recently.
http://www.jennifermarohasy.com/blog/archives/Temperature%201979%20Satellite%20data%20blog.jpg


But you have to look at the long term not the short term.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/Fig1.gif		2009-06-24 15:57:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

But you have to look at the long term not the short term.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/Fig1.gif
Exactly, the temperature is currently like the stock market. If you look at it on any given day or month, it may seem to be going down, but zoom out into the long-term and you'll see that it always goes up. Unfortunately, we don't want the temperature to be continually climbing in the way that it is.		2009-06-24 16:02:00

Author:
BSprague
Posts: 2325

But you have to look at the long term not the short term.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/Fig1.gif


We've all gotta die some time.

Who cares? We're all gonna die and it doesn't make a difference, especially because Earth itself also has to end.

At the end of the day we're as useless as ants. We should all just kill ourselves. :eek:		2009-06-24 22:29:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

We've all gotta die some time.

Who cares? We're all gonna die and it doesn't make a difference, especially because Earth itself also has to end.

At the end of the day we're as useless as ants. We should all just kill ourselves. :eek:

How very optimistic of you. 		2009-06-24 22:40:00

Author:
BSprague
Posts: 2325


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