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Tim Burton's "Alice in Wonderland"

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Burton is working on a dark version of the classic childrens film.
The film details Alice's return to wonderland when she is 17 only to find Wonderland a bit darker than when she was last there.
Stephen Fry has been cast as the voice of cheshire cat.

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http://i44.tinypic.com/vrew5c.jpg		2009-06-22 16:01:00

Author:
PlayBeyond
Posts: 123

That looks absolutely beautiful! And Steven Fry will make a wonderful Cheshire Cat!2009-06-22 19:39:00

Author:
Kog
Posts: 2358

oh wow! Looks amazing.2009-06-22 19:42:00

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Morgana25
Posts: 5983

Does the last shot remind anyone else of the Gardens concpet ? And have anyone seen the characters yet, i heard they look wierd as hell.2009-06-22 19:53:00

Author:
Gtuned
Posts: 11

Does the last shot remind anyone else of the Gardens concpet ? And have anyone seen the characters yet, i heard they look wierd as hell.

you can see tweedle dee and tweedle dum (i think. thats what they reminded me of.) in the first pic. there's the flower people in pic 2. and the rabbit in the last. they all look weird D:

edit: on that first pic, id say thats them. they got the high pants and heavier look just like the old ones ( yeah i looked up a picture of them XD )		2009-06-22 19:58:00

Author:
gofurr360z
Posts: 886

!!!!!

I've heard of this but i never knew it was Alice in Wonderland

I've always loved dark versions of AiW, and on top of that Tim Burton is my favourite filmmaker

Stephen Fry is awesome too 		2009-06-22 20:03:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Hmmm, they talk of this as a dark version Wonderland, but I always thought of Wonderland as a really, really sinister place, right underneath the surface. Anyone else get that feeling?

BTW, the cast list is actually fantastic, Stephen Fry is just the tip of the iceberg		2009-06-22 20:12:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

I love Tim Burton's work! yesss! And with Stephen Fry part of the cast, even better!! 2009-06-22 20:49:00

Author:
noddle111
Posts: 174

I wish he would go back to stop motion, computer animation should be left to the masters at Pixar!

And oh my god, wait, Johnny Depp isn't a part of this, this is the antichrist [/sarcasm]

EDIT

False alarm, the sky is blue, the grass is green, Johnny Depp works with Tim Burton.		2009-06-23 13:33:00

Author:
mcgrory1991
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@mcgrory1991

Jonny Depp is part of this I think, I saw some pictures of the characters in the paper and one of them looked just like him, or it could be pure coincidence! But this film does look good in a wierd way. :S		2009-06-23 14:19:00

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Leather-Monkey
Posts: 2266

Hmmm, they talk of this as a dark version Wonderland, but I always thought of Wonderland as a really, really sinister place, right underneath the surface. Anyone else get that feeling?


Yeah i've heard the original book DEFINATLY wasn't suitable for kids xD
For a start the book has a ton more than any movie/game about it has shown you, and it's meant to be very dark and psychological - I think the theme is meant to be insanity

I'm not 100% on any of that it's just what i've gathered over time, but i've definatly heard that the original is very dark below the surface

Anyway i think people just assume that it's meant to be all fairytale-ish because of the Disney film

Oh and i love this picture
It's from a game with a similar storyline to Burtons movie
http://wallpapers.bpix.org/wallpapers/18/American_McGee%27s_Alice.jpg		2009-06-23 14:36:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Yes, Jonny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter have major roles in the film (suprise suprise). Also Alan Rickman, Michael Sheen, Christopher Lee... it's a banging cast. Dex, the book has a very fairytale surface as well, but that just makes it even darker, a bit like pennywise the clown.2009-06-23 16:12:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Yeah, I only found out about this recently.
I was following Imaginism on deviantart. And it turned out that they were a group of people who were working on some of the concept and character designs for the film.

http://imaginismstudios.blogspot.com/2009/06/alice-in-wonderland.html

Those pics aren't done by them, but they did come up with designs for the White Rabbit and Tweedledee and dum

They have some awesome stylized stuff worth checking out.		2009-06-23 16:18:00

Author:
Pitcard
Posts: 779

And oh my god, wait, Johnny Depp isn't a part of this, this is the antichrist [/sarcasm]

Jonny Depp is part of this I think, I saw some pictures of the characters in the paper and one of them looked just like him, or it could be pure coincidence! But this film does look good in a wierd way. :S


yeah, actually, he is in it D: he plays the mad hatter. they turned him into a creepy looking, red-head clown thing.		2009-06-23 16:40:00

Author:
gofurr360z
Posts: 886

This looks wicked. Finally an adult themed version! Now if only Tim could be convinced to go in and do this for the Wizard Of Oz as well!2009-06-23 16:45:00

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Rustbukkit
Posts: 1737

... Now if only tim could be convinced to go in and do this for the wizard of oz as well!

...genius! D:		2009-06-23 16:50:00

Author:
gofurr360z
Posts: 886

I think Johnny Depp and Tim are like best friends or something xD
He's in EVERY one of his movies as far as i'm aware

An evil Wizard of Oz would be pretty interesting 		2009-06-23 16:51:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

But the Wizard of Oz IS really evil....

Does anyone else not think that the scene where the flying monkeys swoop in through the forest and fly off with Dorothy and Toto is probably the most terrifying scene in movie history.
And then there's this
YouTube - Wizard of Oz 1- Wicked Witch Melting		2009-06-23 16:59:00

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Pitcard
Posts: 779

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1014759/fullcredits#cast

This is what I call All-Star!		2009-06-23 17:46:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

If anyone is intrested, i imagine most people will remeber American McGee's horror video game based on Alice In Wonderland for the PC

Well a remake has been confirmed by EA for the PS3
Official artwork for the game
http://i42.tinypic.com/2eajcrq.jpg		2009-06-23 19:58:00

Author:
PlayBeyond
Posts: 123

Omg... a steam punk snail!?! That is the greatest thing EVER! 2009-06-24 06:49:00

Author:
Kog
Posts: 2358

Crispin Glover?!?, Crispin Glover!?! Yeah Crispin Glover.2009-06-24 07:55:00

Author:
Gravel
Posts: 1308

I'm still quite surprised Disney hired Tim Burton to make this dark vision of the classic tale.

That said, I'm extremely excited for this movie!!
The concept art looks amazing and I can't wait to see this translated onto the big screen.

On a sidenote: also looking forward to American Mcgee's remake/sequel of Alice!		2009-06-24 12:26:00

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Zwollie
Posts: 2173

This is going to be great! Tim Burton is always an interesting director, and his visual style is amazing.

And I have to say, I always thought that his adaptation of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is really underrated. I love the original as much as anyone else who grew up with that film, but I think he brought something really interesting to the story. Can't wait to see what he does with this one.		2009-06-24 12:34:00

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CheesyMcFly
Posts: 211

And I have to say, I always thought that his adaptation of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is really underrated. I love the original as much as anyone else who grew up with that film, but I think he brought something really interesting to the story. Can't wait to see what he does with this one.

I loved his take on the Chocolate Factory!!
It has some plot holes like most of Burton's films but this is something I can easily overlook just because it oozes with charm.

I only wished the Oompa Loompa songs were a little better.		2009-06-24 12:41:00

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Zwollie
Posts: 2173

This is going to be great! Tim Burton is always an interesting director, and his visual style is amazing.

And I have to say, I always thought that his adaptation of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is really underrated. I love the original as much as anyone else who grew up with that film, but I think he brought something really interesting to the story. Can't wait to see what he does with this one.

I LOVED his take on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

It had that sort of underlying darkness and some really artistic scenes which are only expected in his movies
I imagine he'll be doing the same thing with Alice anyway 		2009-06-24 13:56:00

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Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Crispin Glover?!?, Crispin Glover!?! Yeah Crispin Glover.

Hah, that surprised me too. George McFly is back on the prowl... too bad he's got a minor role.		2009-06-24 15:51:00

Author:
Pitcard
Posts: 779

Burton is working on a dark version of the classic childrens film.

Gyah! It was a book written by Lewis Carroll in the mid-1800's. Sorry to be nit-picky but it's kind of like saying "Steven Spielberg is working on a new version of the classic Leonardo Dicaprio movie Romeo & Juliet."

This movie seems kind of like an obvious choice. Tim Burton's films take a lot of influence from the artwork created by artists like Salvador Dali who were inspired by the original book.

But does anyone remember American McGee's Alice in Wonderland game? That in turn took very strong influences from Tim Burton. That's pretty much what I imagine the film to look like.

http://www.gamasutra.com/db_area/images/feature/3968/eap_alice.jpg

http://www.x-sky.ru/uploads/posts/2008-11/1227119420_13_american-mcgees-alice.jpg		2009-06-28 17:04:00

Author:
Sosaku
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Briefly off-topic: Sosaku, your Mukashi Mukashi levels are really fun!

And about Alice. I'm big into Alice in Wonderland the same way I'm into Dr. Seuss. That stuff is for children, but there's a lot beneath the surface, so it's fun to revisit every so often with a different perspective. Although I've yet to reread Alice in Wonderland and get the feeling it was as messed up as American McGee's Alice.

Take one of the Cheshire cat's riddles:
When is a croquet mallet like a billy club?
Whenever you want it to be
Yeah, Lewis Carroll definitely wasn't messed up like that. If you want to go into his fondness of little girls, sure, but that's a different messed up.

My wires may be crossed, but I'm pretty sure a movie adaptation (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/11385/status-of-american-mcgee-s-alice) of American McGee's Alice is still in the works. Is Alice in Wonderland becoming the new Nightmare Before Christmas?		2009-06-28 17:25:00

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tashi
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Oh dear gawsh... this is like The Labyrinth meets Nightmare Before Christmas. Shame that it's not stop-motion, though. Would've made it much, much darker. I swear, once this is over, they might as well make a stop motion movie of Professer Layton. Boy, would that be freaky.2009-06-28 21:02:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

Somebody else here has seen The Labyrinth?! Wow...The internet gets smaller everyday.
But, anyways, I've known about this movie for a while now. Didn't know about the whole Stephen Fry as the Cheshire Cat, though, that kinda took me by surprise.		2009-06-29 04:50:00

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iiiijujube
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woah woah woah woah woah. a remake of american mcgee's alice?! :O im buying that one2009-06-29 06:23:00

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gofurr360z
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iiiijujube, everyone has seen labyrinth. Ok so maybe not the younger people, but in my generation (20s), if you haven't seen labyrinth then you probably just didn't have a childhood

Best thing is, you can watch it as an adult and it's still fantastic!		2009-06-29 10:06:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Oh. Well I'm only 15 and not many people I know have seen it, so that's probably why I was in that train of thought.2009-06-29 10:32:00

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iiiijujube
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iiiijujube, everyone has seen labyrinth. Ok so maybe not the younger people, but in my generation (20s), if you haven't seen labyrinth then you probably just didn't have a childhood

Best thing is, you can watch it as an adult and it's still fantastic!


^^ This man speaks the truth.		2009-06-29 12:14:00

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CheesyMcFly
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woah woah woah woah woah. a remake of american mcgee's alice?! :O im buying that one

A sequel to the game is coming out, and a movie based on the original game. Just mincing words, but I wanted to make sure it was clear.		2009-06-29 12:36:00

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tashi
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iiiijujube, everyone has seen labyrinth. Ok so maybe not the younger people, but in my generation (20s), if you haven't seen labyrinth then you probably just didn't have a childhood

Best thing is, you can watch it as an adult and it's still fantastic!

Word! I'm 25 and pretty much everyone I know around my age has seen Labyrinth. Bowie's ping pong balls are still as hillarious as an adult as they were when you were 10 years old.

Dark Crystal is another dark childrens classic.		2009-06-29 14:27:00

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Sosaku
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Briefly off-topic: Sosaku, your Mukashi Mukashi levels are really fun!

Thanks! You could alwayd do me a favour and post in the level thread to boost it up a little. 		2009-06-29 14:38:00

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Sosaku
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I agree with what Sosaku said. This whole thing just seems too obvious. Tim Burton doing a dark version of Alice in Wonderland? Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter and Helena Bonham Carter as the Queen of Hearts? I'm a bit worried that Tim Burton's becoming a parody of himself. This stuff's all a bit too obvious, and I'm not sure it's going to be imaginative enough or surprising enough to work. I wasn't a fan of his remake of Chocolate Factory, and didn't see it as particularly necessary. And this is already looking like it's going to be so reliant on visuals and zany costumes and make-up.

The original books by Lewis Carrol weren't about madness, they were more about youthful imagination, and were written for kids. Well, one kid in particular, but we won't get into that. They did have a smidgen of darkness to them, as any good children's story does. And if anyone here remembers playing as a kid, you'll probably recall that the funnest things to play involved monsters and dangerous imagined places and jabberwockies lurking about. Although I think what happens is, when you start playing in that zone of danger and imagination in a children's story, it can become about all manner of things, particularly as you get older - You see madness in it, and you see the hallucinations of drug use in it (which is certainly a theme in Alice, as the 19th century saw more than its fair share of opium usage). Remember Walter Murch's sequel to The Wizard of Oz? It was called Return to Oz, and in it, Dorothy's endless ranting about Oz has landed her in a mental asylum. These old children's stories are so imaginative and so strange, that looked at from just slightly askew, they can be utterly wild, mad things.

Anyway - I'm definitely more excited about the American McGee remake of Alice than the movie though. I didn't know they were doing one! So that's exciting.

And, as an aside, I'd like to post a link to this song/video, which I think very well captures the magic of the story and old Disney movie.

YouTube - Alice		2009-06-29 22:15:00

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Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

[QUOTE=Teebonesy;230843] ... The original books by Lewis Carrol weren't about madness, they were more about youthful imagination, and were written for kids. Well, one kid in particular, but we won't get into that. .../QUOTE]

i dont think the books were intended for children. disney made it for children. just like they did for so many other fairy tales. in fact, most of the stories (the non-disney-original ones) that disney remade weren't children's stories to begin with. most of them were completely based off of old myths and folk tales (or whatever you want to call them) that were meant for an older audience.

there are some references in the alice series that would make it not for children. i mean really. what kind of childrens book has a huge caterpillar smoking a hookah? (yes, i know, alice was actually really small)		2009-06-30 06:13:00

Author:
gofurr360z
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What I think this highlights is the growth and mutation of both the audience's and director's point of views. When I first looked at Alice in Wonderland when it was a Disney film, I thought it was creepy as is. Just Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum were enough to psyche me out. Now, when I look at the movie, it feels much more kiddish than I used to imagine it being. It's sorta like a reverse-psychology effect. The product was originally targeted at one audience, but results pleasing the opposite crowd.

A fine example is Spongebob. Sure, the characters are absolutely kiddish, but if you see some of the scenes, it gets pretty grotesque (remeber his Halloween costume? ). Another is Family Guy. It's obviously made for adult audiences (why with the cussing and alcohol reference and what-not), but seems to please people in, say, my age group (13-17, respectively). So just looking plainly at this remake, there'll be more audiences of younger ages than audiences of the pre-determined range.

Will this be a complete flop? No, not entirely. It might not see success with the critics, but may as well make millions for the people it'll entertain (I mean, how could you not love the Mad Hatter's... er... haberdashery ).

All I hope is that the younger generations won't look to this as fond childhood memories...		2009-06-30 07:43:00

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Outlaw-Jack
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i dont think the books were intended for children. disney made it for children. just like they did for so many other fairy tales. in fact, most of the stories (the non-disney-original ones) that disney remade weren't children's stories to begin with. most of them were completely based off of old myths and folk tales (or whatever you want to call them) that were meant for an older audience.

there are some references in the alice series that would make it not for children. i mean really. what kind of childrens book has a huge caterpillar smoking a hookah? (yes, i know, alice was actually really small)

I don't get it - this isn't really a matter of maybe-this or maybe-that... We're right around the bend from Victorian England. It wasn't so long ago that there isn't a wealth of information to research. It's written in the man's own diaries, as well as the accounts of publishers and friends from the period - Old Chuck Dodgson (aka Lewis Carrol) first told the story of Alice in Wonderland to the children of the Liddell family, after which 10-year-old Alice begged him to write it down in a book.

He did so, and sent it to a friend in order that they have their kids read it and tell him what they thought. They loved it, so he sought and found a publisher. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland was the title, and it was followed up later by a sequel, Through the Looking Glass. It was conceived and written entirely for children. Specifically, the Liddell children.

As for the caterpillar smoking the hookah - This is Victorian England we're talking about. Opium use was widespread. It wasn't seen as a sinful. 4 out of 5 families consumed opiates, many available over the counter. As for smoking it, well it may not have been on the level as cigar and pipesmoke, but it was all over, and quite available. there was nothing seen as wrong or adult about its use in Alice.

But here, in the 21st century, we overlay our own current popular culture over old literature and find certain things "adult" or "offensive", when they were never intended as such, nor originally seen that way.

And now pot-head teens everywhere have Alice in Wonderland posters in their bedrooms...		2009-06-30 10:19:00

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Teebonesy
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Hookahs are generally used for smoking tobacco, in fact that was what it was originally designed for. Also:


There, on top of the mushroom, was a large caterpillar, smoking a pipe. After a while the Caterpillar took the pipe out of its mouth and said to Alice in a slow, sleepy voice, 'Who are you?'

Teebonsey is right about the original intended audience of alice in wonderland, but I still find many of the concepts very dark and disturbing under the brightly coloured and excentric veneer. The problem I see with Tim Burton making this film is that he doesn't actually make anything particually dark. Much of his work is visually dark, but that's just surface deep. The themes and concepts of his work, for the most part, really aren't dark at all. So Tim Burton making a "dark" version of Alice in Wonderland is a bit of a non-starter for me.		2009-06-30 10:39:00

Author:
rtm223
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I was kind of hoping this would be animated, i think it'd work much better with a film as fantasy orientated as this

I'm sure he'll pull it off well anyway



i dont think the books were intended for children. disney made it for children. just like they did for so many other fairy tales.

On that subject have you read the original Cinderella? o_o

The ugly sisters actually cut off their toes and chunks of their feet to try to fit inside the slipper, and in the end they get punished by having birds peck out their eyes.
Makes you wonder why Disney saw a potential kids film in this xD		2009-06-30 10:44:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

This movie is gonna be great!

No!

SPECTACULAR!		2009-06-30 11:23:00

Author:
Stix489
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YouTube - Alice In Wonderland Official Teaser Trailer (HD) 720p

March 5th! I won't get my hopes too hight, but it looks good.		2009-07-22 20:57:00

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hilightnotes
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Outside the fact that they focus a little too much on the fact that they got Johnny Depp to play Mad Hatter, this looks great!!

Thanks for that, Hilight!!

Another magical, dark Burton tale awaits us...		2009-07-22 21:10:00

Author:
Zwollie
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i think that i'm the only person ever that doesn't know the storyline to this, i really need to catch up2009-07-22 21:24:00

Author:
springs86
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i think that i'm the only person ever that doesn't know the storyline to this, i really need to catch up
Basically, a girl falls down a rabbit hole and then has some wild and crazy adventures where not much makes sense. There's also some poetry, some parties, and some cheshire cats.		2009-07-22 22:03:00

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dandygandy2704
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Thanks, i get the general idea, awesome how you made the whole story in 2 lines2009-07-22 22:11:00

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springs86
Posts: 785

Well, there's really not a lot of "story" to it, it's just Alice trying to get home, really. It's been a while since I've read the books, but that's the gist of it, yeah.2009-07-22 22:31:00

Author:
dandygandy2704
Posts: 1002

I'm guessing this is the same teaser Hilightnotes posted.. but the link is down so
YouTube - Alice in Wonderland Official Trailer

Man.... This movie looks like everything Alice in Wonderland shouldn't be.......
I know its trying to put across that dark cuckoo land atmosphere... but it just looks really disney/hollywood to me. Same with Charlie and the Chocolate Factory... I didn't watch the whole thing, but what I saw I didn't enjoy. I doubt either film lives up to the book.		2009-07-25 17:37:00

Author:
Pitcard
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Oh come now! It doesn't look that bad at all. They got the rabbit hole spot on with all the floaty bits. The Cheshire Cat looks incredible in this film. Quite a different take than in the original. And was that how the Mad Hatter is going to talk in the film? It just sounded all sagey, not manic at all. I have high hopes for this film, don't you all give up yet just because of one trailer. (Also, one more thing, Was that the Jabberwock that scooped up Tweedle Dum & Dee? They made it look like a vulture...)2009-07-27 07:31:00

Author:
iiiijujube
Posts: 594

Honestly, Tim Burton is an albatross around his own neck. Nobody else quite captures that 'dark playful foreboding feel' quite as well as him... he is a unique artist with a unique vision... however more often than not his films fail to deliver the 'emotional' goods in order to make them anything more... I own them all! I'm a huge fan of his vision but his direction can be very hit or miss for me. I think he has a tough time pulling it all together.

So I don't expect much from 'Alice'. I know it'll be a great place to visit and upon its DVD release I will soak up all its glory but after that ...Dust-pile.

I own but really never watch anymore; Beetlejuice, Batman Returns, Ed Wood, Mars Attacks, Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the chocolate factory and Corpse Bride.		2009-07-27 14:05:00

Author:
Gravel
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looks fantastic! Tim Burton is magnificent, Johnny Depp is mad, and Alice n Wonderland...wow...insanity2009-07-31 03:17:00

Author:
miltonTPS
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I'm not digging this movie at ALL. There's ONE point in the trailer that I really like, and that's the close-up of Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter.

I mean, yes, the casting is obvious, the make-up is utterly overdone...

But have you EVER, in ANY movie you can think of, seen anyone put so much CRAZED effing lunacy in a single look??? My god the guy looks ****ing CRAZED out of his gourd! When I see this movie, it will be for Johnny Depp alone. And I'm not even a Johnny Depp fan!		2009-08-18 22:44:00

Author:
Teebonesy
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If you want Johnny Depp off his nut........ watch Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas 2009-08-21 00:53:00

Author:
Pitcard
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I'm quite fond of Johnny Depp's Hunter S. Thompson. Seems very true-to-life. But it's a testament to his ability that his tripping-balls is a world away from his crazed-out-of-his-gourd.2009-08-21 01:31:00

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Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

Hmmm, they talk of this as a dark version Wonderland, but I always thought of Wonderland as a really, really sinister place, right underneath the surface. Anyone else get that feeling?

BTW, the cast list is actually fantastic, Stephen Fry is just the tip of the iceberg

We all know that Alice in Wonderland was about trippin' on drugs.

And I'm pretty sure in the book the Cheshire Cat was smoking crack or something. 		2009-08-29 03:26:00

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qrtda235566
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If you want Johnny Depp off his nut........ watch Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

haha..."This is bat country"...."As your attorney, I advise you to take these"...		2009-08-29 13:32:00

Author:
miltonTPS
Posts: 126

I'm diggin up a two month old thread like soiley-fingered grave robber
cause....
I just found this by chance:
YouTube - Alice by Jan Svankmajer

Its a clip of Jan Svankmajer's adaptation of Alice in Wonderland.
After seeing this clip and a couple other short films of his, I'm convinced that he must be one of the masters of stop motion. And that Alice movie, to me, looks like one of the best adaptations of Lewis Carrols original story. I'll have to watch the whole film though.... its probably not for everyone, its a peculiar one alright :/		2009-10-16 22:54:00

Author:
Pitcard
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I'm diggin up a two month old thread like soiley-fingered grave robber
cause....
I just found this by chance:

Its a clip of Jan Svankmajer's adaptation of Alice in Wonderland.
After seeing this clip and a couple other short films of his, I'm convinced that he must be one of the masters of stop motion. And that Alice movie, to me, looks like one of the best adaptations of Lewis Carrols original story. I'll have to watch the whole film though.... its probably not for everyone, its a peculiar one alright :/

I think I caught the end of this movie many years ago, and always wanted to see the rest of it. I've never gotten around to it, though I've seen it at the video store a million times.

Definitely appears to be an eerie take on Alice. It doesn't seem to have the exuberance of the book, but it does have the sense of wonder, and the changes he makes in the adaptatio definitely keep me wanting to see what happens next - even though I'm familiar with the story! It's hard to watch that clip and not want to keep watching!		2009-10-16 23:10:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

I don't think this will be good after seeing the trailer.2009-10-19 02:20:00

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Jack
Posts: 999

Oh come now! It doesn't look that bad at all. They got the rabbit hole spot on with all the floaty bits. The Cheshire Cat looks incredible in this film. Quite a different take than in the original. And was that how the Mad Hatter is going to talk in the film? It just sounded all sagey, not manic at all. I have high hopes for this film, don't you all give up yet just because of one trailer. (Also, one more thing, Was that the Jabberwock that scooped up Tweedle Dum & Dee? They made it look like a vulture...)[/QUOTE]


No that's the Crow. It's a giant bird from the poem Tweedledum and Tweedledee. If you've read the poem then you should know about it.

[QUOTE]Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel; Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel.


This film looks awesome, and I'm exited for the remake of the game as well I remember I would look at the back of the box when I was about 4 in PC World, every time we went and nag my dad to get it for me. He never did because it was a 15 and I was 4 		2009-10-22 12:46:00

Author:
Plasmavore
Posts: 1913

I am (obviously by my levels) a huge Tim Burton fan, and have followed this movie since auditions and productions began. You can ask me just about anything about this movie from who plays who, to what happens, ect. If anyone has questions, don't be afraid to ask 2009-11-13 16:06:00

Author:
AresSmith
Posts: 18

New posters, btw :
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_2GMlhUrYuhI/SwKT-4E2E3I/AAAAAAAAITU/Frn3vkqbCA4/s1600/Alice_In_Wonderland_Full_Banner_Pic.jpg		2009-11-13 17:15:00

Author:
Zwollie
Posts: 2173

Its a double post on a post made 4 weeks ago, so hope you don't mind

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r80/Zwollie/Naamloos-1.png?t=1260964831
Love the look on him

The new trailer is out and it looks really, really good in my eyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9POCgSRVvf0&feature=player_embedded		2009-12-16 11:55:00

Author:
Zwollie
Posts: 2173

No, actually, I don't mind I'm still excited for this movie.

Would you happen know what character that is?		2009-12-16 23:29:00

Author:
gofurr360z
Posts: 886

http://www.alice-in-wonderland.net/alicepic/disney-movie/march-hare-5.jpg2009-12-16 23:32:00

Author:
iiiijujube
Posts: 594

D: I completely forgot about that guy. 2009-12-17 02:35:00

Author:
gofurr360z
Posts: 886

Wow, do not want.

I'll still see it, just for the card and chess knight army.		2009-12-17 23:39:00

Author:
Jack
Posts: 999

Oooh, yikes. I have to be honest, I am so incredibly not sold on this movie. I'm cringing. Everything is just SO MUCH. The giant Helena Bonham head. the crap flying into the camera lens. Depp's makeup. The whole thing is such a gaudy, grotesque thing, I don't feel anywhere in this the slight, dreamy, delirious, almost melancholy magic of the Alice stories.

will I see it? Oh yes! But I'm going in with a shield and a tin foil hat. I have a feeling this movie wants to eat my eyes for jujubes.		2009-12-22 10:09:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

Oooh, yikes. I have to be honest, I am so incredibly not sold on this movie. I'm cringing. Everything is just SO MUCH. The giant Helena Bonham head. the crap flying into the camera lens. Depp's makeup. The whole thing is such a gaudy, grotesque thing

I saw the trailer last week for the first time and this was exactly my reaction. I do like Tim Burton and his cronies, together and separately, and that's the only thing that's making me think this might be worth seeing. The trailer just makes it look all kinds of bad.		2009-12-22 11:43:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Yeah i've heard the original book DEFINATLY wasn't suitable for kids xD
For a start the book has a ton more than any movie/game about it has shown you, and it's meant to be very dark and psychological - I think the theme is meant to be insanity

I'm not 100% on any of that it's just what i've gathered over time, but i've definatly heard that the original is very dark below the surface

Anyway i think people just assume that it's meant to be all fairytale-ish because of the Disney film

Oh and i love this picture
It's from a game with a similar storyline to Burtons movie
http://wallpapers.bpix.org/wallpapers/18/American_McGee%27s_Alice.jpg

I don't think it's meant to be dark and psychological at all. Just really stupid. Someone decided that they should make they most retarded book ever and bet it would be a huge hit, and it did.

Oh, and American McGee's Alice is an old game that pushed the boundaries way further than this movie is going to, especially if it's like those trailers.		2009-12-23 22:42:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

Guys, there is an invention called the "internet", wherein a vast swathe of human knowledge is assembled and accessible for your very own perusal. All the research you could ever want about the original Alice stories is all there. So are the stories themselves, for free, in full!

Yes, the original stories were meant for children, in fact they were explicitly written for specific children, one in particular, about whom the character of Alice is thought to be loosely based.

They weren't meant to be dark and psychological, merely about a child's wondrous imaginings.

Of course, they are very dreamlike and strange, being about the imagination, and full of surreal imagery, so the series been of great interest to adults, and is very easily translatable to a darker adaptation.

People may be getting the Alice books, of which there are two, confused with the "Oz" books instead, of which there are about 40, and which do tend to get quite a bit darker than what we're used to seeing in the original Wizard of Oz movie, particularly toward the end of Baum's run.		2009-12-24 00:29:00

Author:
Teebonesy
Posts: 1937

The cat's mouth is awesome 2009-12-24 03:12:00

Author:
Incinerator22
Posts: 3251

THIS is awesome. Can't wait.

I loved the disney film. I did feel it was dark and surreal but in a way that wasn't very... direct (?)		2009-12-24 03:18:00

Author:
iGotFancyPants
Posts: 1355

though im not a big fan of the cartoony tim burton style, i love his vision.

just like last year after seeing sweeney todd, im sure i'll not speak for a while after seeing the film and give blank stares at everyone, wishing i was in some far away place where things were better.		2009-12-30 09:15:00

Author:
Voodeedoo
Posts: 724

EPIC REZ!

The Hollywood Reporter likes it (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/film-reviews/alice-in-wonderland-film-review-1004071135.story?imw=Y)...		2010-03-01 00:18:00

Author:
supersickie
Posts: 1366

This film looks awesome. You can always trust disney to make a great film!2010-03-07 20:42:00

Author:
Fastbro
Posts: 1277

Epic Mad Hatter Dance for the win.2010-03-07 20:46:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

I heard it sucks and I bet it does. I would like Tim Burton's movies so much better if he didn't hold back all the time and make his movies kid friendly.2010-03-07 22:53:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

I saw it Friday and thought it was awesome! The movie is full of Tim's style here and there, the characters are well rendered and Johnny Depp is simply genius in this movie(once again). It has everything a 2010 animated movie should have.
Love it!
Every fan of Tim Burton should see it in 3D.		2010-03-07 23:11:00

Author:
Chump
Posts: 1712

I saw it yesterday with my wife and left feeling pretty "meh" about it. I appreciated what Burton was trying to do by adding an overarching storyline, but I thought his storytelling was a bit disjointed. And the Mad Hatter dance would have been bearable, if it wasn't for the music that played during it. Even my wife, who really enjoyed the movie, felt that scene completely pulled her out of it. Hmm... I don't really have much else to say about it, it was just "ok".2010-03-07 23:13:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer
Posts: 1335

I liked it, the end was wierd but hey why not. I agree with mrsupercomputer, the dance was just dumb, the music, the moves, the whole time. I didn't know it was a sequel so that was a nice twist for me.2010-03-09 08:50:00

Author:
thefrozenpenquin
Posts: 479

Tim Burton bothers me. I don't know what it is but I hate everything he makes.
This'll move loads of products at Hot Topics across the nation, doubtless.		2010-03-10 03:16:00

Author:
monstahr
Posts: 1361

I really like this one. Maybe it's just because I'm a freak when it comes to Tim Burton, but who knows? 2010-03-10 03:26:00

Author:
Frinklebumper
Posts: 941


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