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| I was playing through some levels and came across this one that has some elements that look extremely similar to my Rise Of The Snow Queen Level... The level is: "A level that plays itself" by "X-Sonni-X" I know mimmicary is the highest form of flattery, but has this gone too far? Sonni's>http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/APhoto_1-1.jpg Mine>http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/APhoto_3-1.jpg Sonni's>http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/APhoto_2-1.jpg Mine>http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/SQ6.jpg Sonni's>http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/APhoto-1.jpg Mine>http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/APhoto_5-1.jpg This level was NOT copyable for very good reason.. they took ages to create from scratch. The level design itself is also a copy of "CENTURION24"s levels. I know people look for ideas from other levels but I can't help feeling this has gone a little bit too far. | 2009-06-20 11:43:00 Author: IceMaiden  Posts: 1057 |
| I wouldn't worry too much about it considering your designs are much better than the pathetic copy. LittleBigPlanet is about originality and it irritates me when people copy level models to get onto the cool pages. Three of the most common examples: "Level that plays itself", "-something- Bomb Survival!" and of course "Hardest Level EVER!!". | 2009-06-20 12:01:00 Author: Killian  Posts: 2575 |
Yours puts theirs to shame. I would find this amusing.  | 2009-06-20 12:05:00 Author: midnight_heist  Posts: 2513 |
| this is one of those things I'm afraid. not much to be done. when I created my tortuga level, I looked out some other pirate levels and in the comments section, suggested that they try mine if they like that sort of thing. a month or two later, I looked up pirate themed levels again and found that some things had been lifted straight out my level. at first I was miffed, but then thought that the level obviously had an impact on that person. if people are copying it, it must be good. everyone gets inspired by other levels. eg you didn't invent the music player levels but the 2nd of the trilogy is one. this person just isn't as artistic as you (not many of us are) and can't create the way you can. don't feel aggrieved, feel proud that you made something worth copying. good ideas catch on in lbp. don't be surprised to see more of your stuff appear here and there. | 2009-06-20 12:06:00 Author: Matt 82  Posts: 1096 |
| I wouldn't be that bothered too much, I would simply laugh it off. It's actually kinda cute, in a way. Like when you make a really cool lego mech and you tell your younger brother not to mess with it, so he attempts to make one himself. The guy who made the first Bomb Survival challenge must be really full of himself for creating a new genre  | 2009-06-20 12:07:00 Author: AwesomePossum  Posts: 446 |
| The level you're photocapping is definitely going too far... Mimicry is usually a form of flattery, but when it's copy-paste mimicry, I can't really defend it at all. At least the [censored] bomb levels all usually tried something different. There's only so much you can do with bombs, but there were cats&dogs, babies, nukes, and more. This seems to be a blatant copy, as opposed to an 'inspired-by' piece. Angry eyes. That said, it's so much worse-looking than yours it's laughable. | 2009-06-20 12:12:00 Author: Loius  Posts: 342 |
| Thanks for your consoling words... I think that my reaction is because this is all new to me. Maybe I should stop behaving like a girl.. no wait... I am a girl! Icey | 2009-06-20 12:14:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| That first duo of screenshots looks like it would be from two different levels in a series. But as Killian said, yours looks much better both aesthetically and, from the looks of the second set of shots, much more fun to play. You really don't have anything to worry about. Look on the bright side, they do have taste in which levels they copy. | 2009-06-20 12:26:00 Author: BSprague  Posts: 2325 |
| In my personal opinion, I'm horrified that someone would do that. The above posts are right in that your levels look much better, but I'm still horrified! I also saw the number of plays on each and his level has now reached 20,000+ - which makes it a complete farce. *Hands Icey a tissue to dry her eyes* Rhy | 2009-06-20 12:30:00 Author: Rhyfelwr  Posts: 606 |
| He got inspired by your level, which is a good thing man. Proved you got a well decent level! Don't bother it to much though, things always happen like this. There must be a hundred more levels that got inspired by else . | 2009-06-20 12:39:00 Author: TheCrestfallen  Posts: 40 |
| If I was a game developer and I created a game that was a blatent copy of LittleBigPlanet, Mm would have me in court before I say "infringment of copyright". I know LBP is all about community and sharing but, blatant plagiarism is wrong. I agree with everyone else here in saying that your level looks superb when compared to the copy. It`s like looking at the Mona Lisa, then looking at a copy that I knocked up, the quality isn`t even close. You`ve obviously put serious time into building your level and baring in mind the fact that this joker has had so many plays on their level, there should be a grievence proceedure put in place to get levels removed or have them exempt from being hearted and rated. Maybe that`s harsh but, I`m old and I`m becoming less forgiving in my old age, | 2009-06-20 13:17:00 Author: killbot  Posts: 25 |
| I am old too and I never was very forgiving! I was beginning to think I had published it "copyable", but on closer inspection, even I have to admit it is a pathetic copy!!  Icey | 2009-06-20 13:58:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Oh heck, not another one... Man, can't anyone think of anything original these days? Geez, makes me sick how many people are just copying off other's stuff in a game that is supposed to be about creativity Seriously, the worst part is that they won't admit it was a copy and there's no recognizion to the original makers, if it was flattery as many say, wouldn't they be ok to recognize who they're copying? | 2009-06-20 18:58:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| I hate that guy, and anybody like him. I loathe plagiarists, and biters more than anything else. The problem here, is that none of his stuff works right, is a completely broken and busted rip off of other people's work, but he gets just as much or more plays with it as the authors that he emulates. I'm going to send him a message. | 2009-06-20 19:02:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| It's annoying, but LBP is all about stealing for some people. Oh look, a bomb-survival level! I'll do that then In this case, yes it's gone very far, but you've got to remember that yours do look a lot better and theirs is just a poor copy. BTW, I love the style of your levels  | 2009-06-20 19:05:00 Author: Coxy224  Posts: 2645 |
| I'm trying to feel better about it but whether I'm over-reacting or not, I don't want to go anywhere near LBP at the moment. I did send him a message vis PSN just asking how he managed it because I didn't think I'd published my level copyable (because I was doubting I'd made that mistake). He said... and I quote... "I haven't copied it or took a picture. Ive made it..improved... And now I played your trilogie..Great work." He then placed a comment on the first level.. "No, I havent played your snow trilogie.. I will play all 3 later," What I'm most amazed at is that 1 thing came out of two seperate minds.. scary! The thing that worries me is that because his level has so many plays, anyone playing it before they play mine will think I copied him!!! That does make me angry.  Icey | 2009-06-20 20:01:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| That is really sad. Your levels are light years better than that poor attempt at plagiarism. I am too forgiving usually but I would be burned by this too. | 2009-06-20 20:12:00 Author: Morgana25  Posts: 5983 |
| I'll form together the justice team again. Aside from the bridge it's pretty obvious copy (unless you were inspired by something else) I think if you start panicking every time someone makes an arched bridge people will laugh at you. But yeah your level seems miles better; I'm gonna play it now. | 2009-06-20 20:18:00 Author: Shermzor  Posts: 1330 |
| Just popped in to say I don't think it's necessary to bash the other level... I had played your level first Ice, then I stumbled onto the other and hadn't really noticed the similarities since I didn't play them back to back and I thought it was good. I don't know if I wrote this in your threads or not but your levels are awesome btw I work in the fashion industry, if there's someone here who knows all about copies it's me I work in high end stuff so we're the ones who get coppied, and I see it the same as others, it's flattery, it's slightly annoying, but when you think about it, they are looking to you to see what's cool, what works. Of course it's alot more interesting to see someone be inspired by your work rather than to try to imitate it straight out, but both are nothing but positive to you, and seriously... no need to bash someone else's work just because they copied some stuff. Your work speaks for itself | 2009-06-20 21:19:00 Author: KAPBAM  Posts: 1348 |
| This guy have been copying you and doing like Centurion's too by having multiple levels in the cool pages at the same time. This is why he got alot of plays for his crapfest. This happens in LBP as it happens in the world too. In real life, there's 20% of people directing, creating, thinking, etc and then the other 80% follows, copy and get manipulated. Just a reminder that since this apply EVERYWHERE (and please take a look at the state of the music industry as the worse offender), you'll have to live with it in LBP. . | 2009-06-20 21:22:00 Author: RangerZero  Posts: 3901 |
| (and please take a look at the state of the music industry as the worse offender) lol, so true | 2009-06-20 23:09:00 Author: KAPBAM Posts: 1348 |
| Stuff like these make me think that some people don't know the exact meaning of SHARE. I know the guy liked your level, but copying someone else's level just because they liked it is a bit too far. Sorry to hear about that, but copying is one thing that's a constant in this world. | 2009-06-21 11:39:00 Author: lk9988  Posts: 1077 |
| I think if you start panicking every time someone makes an arched bridge people will laugh at you. I must admit it was a bit petty of me posting the pic of the bridge.There are probably thousands of them on LBP. I think the thing that got to me was the dragon because it's so close to my original. I'm considering removing that from my level and replacing it with something else and then my problem will be solved!!!! Icey | 2009-06-21 12:39:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| I'm not sure the picture of the bridge was exactly petty..... if you compare all the pictures at once it's impossible to argue that it was all a coincidence. Especially when you look at the exact design of the bridge. This is clearly someone who wants attention but doesn't have the imagination... but in the end KAPBAM and RangerZero are right, there's very few really good ideas that aren't stolen. | 2009-06-21 12:53:00 Author: CCubbage  Posts: 4430 |
| Tons of people have copied my Cause And Effect levels, and I know how you feel. It's irritating. Be happy it's just a dragon and not every single idea you thought of. I'd like to believe that they were just inspired by me, but coincidentally all the people I've talked to who borrowed from my series are complete jackasses. So save yourself the trouble, and don't talk to them at all. And don't remove anything from your level just because someone copied it, that dragon is cool. | 2009-06-21 14:55:00 Author: TripleTremelo  Posts: 490 |
| Tons of people have copied my Cause And Effect levels, and I know how you feel. It's irritating. Be happy it's just a dragon and not every single idea you thought of. I'd like to believe that they were just inspired by me, but coincidentally all the people I've talked to who borrowed from my series are complete jackasses. So save yourself the trouble, and don't talk to them at all. And don't remove anything from your level just because someone copied it, that dragon is cool. The Cause And Effect Levels are great, but they are much more general that IceMaiden's specifically-themed level. There are hundreds, if not thousands of Rube Goldberg-esque levels. The first thing I did when I got LBP was make an action-reaction level, draped in black so people couldn't see the intricate mechanisms at work. I mean if they published a level called Cause And Effect and copied the style to a T (fingers, cat) didn't cite you as inspiration, then they are in the wrong there, but some people just may have had the same idea that ran parallel to yours, not stemming from it. | 2009-06-21 15:35:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| I left him a comment on the level, it definetly is a copy of yours no doubt about that. | 2009-06-21 15:49:00 Author: GruntosUK  Posts: 1754 |
| The Cause And Effect Levels are great, but they are much more general that IceMaiden's specifically-themed level. There are hundreds, if not thousands of Rube Goldberg-esque levels. The first thing I did when I got LBP was make an action-reaction level, draped in black so people couldn't see the intricate mechanisms at work. I mean if they published a level called Cause And Effect and copied the style to a T (fingers, cat) didn't cite you as inspiration, then they are in the wrong there, but some people just may have had the same idea that ran parallel to yours, not stemming from it. Hmmm.... I don't know.... The "Cause and Effect" levels by TripleTremelo weren't just Rube Goldberg devices.... they had an absolute distinct style about them - they were definately unique until a number of other creators started copying them (although they definately didn't do as good a job). The thing that made them unique was the pacing, the graphical layout, the graphical style, the way they began and ended - all of these things were copied to a tee. I would agree if you compared them against "A level that plays itself" by CENTURIAN, but Rob29 definately has a point here. I'm sure he isn't referring to just any Rube Goldberg-style level. | 2009-06-21 18:33:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| He should have just called it "Frosty Princess" and be done with it. | 2009-06-21 18:44:00 Author: julesyjules  Posts: 1156 |
| He should have just called it "Frosty Princess" and be done with it. Hey, that's not bad! How about "A snow queen that plays by herself" | 2009-06-21 19:42:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Hey, that's not bad! How about "A snow queen that plays by herself" I mis-read that and uh, yeah. Move along. | 2009-06-21 19:57:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| The dude has obviously played your awesome levels and also seen the success of CENTURIAN's Plays By Itself series and put 2 and 2 together and thought hhhmmmm Cool levels pages here I come. This is so blatantly copied from your series it's LBP theft. I get that people get inspired and the Play's by itself bit doesn't really bother me as much (although the blatant use of the name to grab the idea does  ) as it's a style of play for me that people can try to build upon.But the obvious objects that have been STOLEN from your level is bad and the "creator" should be ashamed of himself. COPYING IS COPYING:kz: | 2009-06-21 20:38:00 Author: dorien  Posts: 2767 |
| sigh this relates to something i saw the other day, The creator of the scientific island levels (a creator whos levels i greatly enjoy and who i admired greatly) published a level that is a complete and utter copy of johnee's creations, it had the mantis, the dropships, the buffalo, it even had the bit with the signal flare, all done with significantly less magnitude and detail but done none the less it wasnt a tribute level, the description and the level gave no mention of johnee at all, not even an inspired by, the creator is purely trying to pass it off as their own work i am by no means trying to slander this author, it is just depressing to see an author that i admired stoop to plagerism | 2009-06-21 22:21:00 Author: redmagus  Posts: 667 |
| How about "A snow queen that plays by herself" That is so going to be my next level creation! I hope it doesn't get classed as a naughty no no!. I love it! The storyline will be: "A Snow Queen that plays by herself, gets a gagillion prizes in 30 seconds, then races to the finish while giving a costume tutorial and then goes home in a sulk because the level contained downloadable content that she didn't own!!" It's strange, but i don't see his level on the community pages anymore and there are a lot of comments that have been deleted by the level author!! Hmmm. Icey | 2009-06-21 22:34:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Hey, that's not bad! How about "A snow queen that plays by herself" I thought the same as Matt on that one In fairness, the similarity of the creature in particular suggests that he HAS played your level, regardless of what he says, and the whole design is too close for an "inspired by"... Realistically, we are living in a time where the average person under 30 has little-to-no respect for IP. I know stealing music and films on P2P different thing to taking someone else's original ideas and trying to pass them off as your own, but IMO it's a similar attitude and it's rife amongst younger generations. I'm surely plenty of people playing this game don't get the difference between "being inspired by" and "ripping off" and why one is good and one is bad. Especially if they aren't a very creative person and so don't understand that feeling you get when you've created something you can be really proud of. Plus there is so much copying in LBP that it's just encouraged amongst the people that don't get that difference. I don't think I actually have a point here, just rambling. But it definately sucks... | 2009-06-21 23:13:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| The Cause And Effect Levels are great, but they are much more general that IceMaiden's specifically-themed level. There are hundreds, if not thousands of Rube Goldberg-esque levels. The first thing I did when I got LBP was make an action-reaction level, draped in black so people couldn't see the intricate mechanisms at work. I mean if they published a level called Cause And Effect and copied the style to a T (fingers, cat) didn't cite you as inspiration, then they are in the wrong there, but some people just may have had the same idea that ran parallel to yours, not stemming from it. CCubbage pretty much summed it up. And my level never had a cat in it... I think you're thinking of one of the levels that ripped mine off. Just search for Cause And Effect, and keep in mind NONE of those levels were there before I made mine. (I searched around for Rube Goldberg Devices before I made part 1) | 2009-06-22 10:22:00 Author: TripleTremelo Posts: 490 |
| Triple Tremelo! love your stuff and it is too bad about those copy levels, (the one i played even got stuck) yeah, the problem is with things like this there isnt really too much MM could do about it. Its mostly up to the users | 2009-06-22 15:40:00 Author: redmagus Posts: 667 |
| hi guys my levels and ideas have been copied and duplicated alot since i first published them, it really does not bother me but a simple nod in my direction is all i ask, inspired by johnee or something like that would be nice | 2009-06-24 08:37:00 Author: johnee Posts: 78 |
| Wow, I played that level a little while ago and was thinking "oh great, another one of these Plays itself levels" and then I walk right and think "ooh that's a pretty cool dragon/dinosaur thingy" sucks that he/she stole them from your level and didn't even give credit. I'm definitely going to play yours as it should be great if someone feels they have to copy it like that. | 2009-06-24 08:56:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318 |
| Wow, I played that level a little while ago and was thinking "oh great, another one of these Plays itself levels" and then I walk right and think "ooh that's a pretty cool dragon/dinosaur thingy" sucks that he/she stole them from your level and didn't even give credit. I'm definitely going to play yours as it should be great if someone feels they have to copy it like that. I have to admit that one thing going through my mind was the fact that people would see his more popular level before mine and then would think that I had copied him, assuming they ever played mine of course! I hope you like my level and the ORIGINAL dragon. I agree with you Johnee. I wouldn't have minded half as much had that been the case. | 2009-06-24 10:33:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| I have to admit that one thing going through my mind was the fact that people would see his more popular level before mine and then would think that I had copied him, assuming they ever played mine of course! I hope you like my level and the ORIGINAL dragon. I agree with you Johnee. I wouldn't have minded half as much had that been the case. They should really put the original publication date under a tab in the level's information section. That way, you would know which level went up first, and subsequently which one was the copy. | 2009-06-24 15:07:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| I guess I should state this first. You are an artist, IceMaiden, and your levels are absolute masterpieces. For someone to do that to you, or to any one of us for that matter, is disgusting. This, to me, is no better than people who actually take copyable levels and make them their own. You set your levels to be "not copyable" because you've put a lot of hard work and effort into them, and you want people to know that YOU made them, and not some sort of hack who's just ripping you off. I get livid when I see the cause and effect clones, I get livid when I see the anti color clones, especially the ones that don't give credit to the original creator. If someone copied one of my levels, I think I would pull a "Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back" on them. I am REALLY against plagaristic people like that > You know, though, you could always just take some photos that say "please play the original level by Icemaiden" or "This Level is stolen" and plaster them all over the level and take photos of them and upload them. That seemed effective when people stole wex's level and punchjeff's levels ^_^ | 2009-06-24 16:36:00 Author: xkappax  Posts: 2569 |
| I think that is an excellent idea BSprague. Thank you for your kind words xkappax. I should point out that the idea of mine he copied was the dragon head and the pillars. The level idea as a whole was copied from Centurion24. Icey | 2009-06-24 17:13:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| I remember playing this level a couple days ago and I had actually thought about your level as I pasted it by, well mostly the dragon, I only really thought about it though because I had just finished playing your levels. But what I remember him saying (whoever published the level) was that he had someone else make the dragon. So maybe it wasn't actually who you think it was? Or he could have showed his friend. I may be wrong but I thought I'd say it anyway. | 2009-06-24 20:40:00 Author: Shris Posts: 126 |
| To X-Sonni-X Subject stop stealing all your ideas from CENTURION24 and IceMaiden. You should be ashamed of yourself. Get your own ideas, and be original. From X-Sonni-X Subject Re: stop the plays itself idea is inspired by zomboiemouse, there where centurion is inspired too! and who is icemaydn? To X-Sonni-X Subject Re:Re:stop don't play dumb. rube goldberg machines aren't an idea to be credited to anyone, while you copied centurions 2x gate, his jetpack/cancel and fire use, his colorful style, and mechanical operations but did it all with no personality, style or finesse. icemaiden makes the snow queen trilogy, she posted pics online showing what you copied, the big monster-mouth cave, the bridge and platform columns. plagiarism is wrong. That was last week. No reply since. | 2009-06-24 21:40:00 Author: Unknown User |
| @Ninja: And i wouldn't expect a reply if i was you, idiots like that tend to run away when they've been caught... He'll probably start doing and saying stuff to make everyone believe that's his original ideas... man i hate those kinds of people. | 2009-06-24 22:12:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| To be honest I just feel really sad about the whole sorry affair. I am new in this forum and I can't express enough how supportive everyone has been and how much I appreciate it. It was so exciting to have my trilogy greeted with such a wonderful reception and then for it to be spotlighted was, well I didn't know what to do with myself and I certainly didn't expect it. I was busy watching the progress of all thee levels and getting over excited if 3 people were playing at once!. Fervently reading all the comments and counting up the plays and hearts. How sad am I. Now though I'm not really quite so bothered about them and am too embarrassed to publish them again lest people playing think I'm some sad old Drama Queen that can't be bothered to think of her own ideas. Strange how a persons actions can affect someone without them even realising or even giving a monkeys doo dahs!!! Icey | 2009-06-25 11:24:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Hi Icey, I've been following this thread for a while now not really knowing what to say about it ( still don't  ).I can totally understand your disappointment. When I first published my fourth I temporarily gave away keys to copyable versions of my first three levels. The aim was for people who wern't very good at creating to learn something from them. At this time, the whole publishing other peoples levels wasn't that common, at least to me anyway. To cut a long story short, if you do a search for my LittleBig Matrix level you will currently find about 3 pages of the same level.... with no way to find out who is the original creator.... In fact I saw someone published another one of my levels only last night published in the cool pages? Now you could say I shouldn't have been so naive in the first place to allow this to happen (which is true) but this isn't the point. Some people really don't have the creativity to come up with good, original ideas, so they just copy whatever is cool. all the bomb dropping, and levels that play themselves are a good exaple of this. I would simply take it as a compliment that your design has reached a standard that has people wanting to resort to this kind of thing. Trust me, the people who play the other guys stuff is not going to be that impressed as its such a bad immitation... Its also obvious who is the true creator here. If you were given a Porshe and a plastic replica of a Porshe you could quite easily say who copied from who.... My best advice for you would to be proud of your work, do not let this deter you from going on to create even better work and lead the way in terms of creativity. Hopefully you will have hundreds of kids wanting to copy your next level. It only shows that you have something that other people can only try to immitate..... creativity. | 2009-06-25 12:04:00 Author: wexfordian  Posts: 1904 |
| Hi Wexfordian, Thankyou for your understanding. It is worth more than any amount of hearts,stars or plays to be supported by so many respected and talented creators. I have been given back a little of what I lost. Icey | 2009-06-25 12:35:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| If your looking for a silver lining, just think. He could have copied any of the thousands of levels out there. And he chose YOURS. ; ) I wouldn't worry about it, his level's come and gone and the only thing anybody probably remembers about it is the Dragon and the nice bridge. | 2009-06-25 12:55:00 Author: julesyjules Posts: 1156 |
| If your looking for a silver lining, just think. He could have copied any of the thousands of levels out there. And he chose YOURS. ; ) I wouldn't worry about it, his level's come and gone and the only thing anybody probably remembers about it is the Dragon and the nice bridge. That's hilarious! Let's hope they also remember the picture Rhyfelwr uploaded onto it with COPIED written all over his/my dragon head!!! Icey | 2009-06-25 12:59:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| In one way it could be considered a compliment, in another way it's a real kick in the....you know. It's not a good feeling to have people rip off your hard work like this but as Wex mentioned, it is very clear wich one is the original!! I haven't played the copy-level yet but I can paint a good image in my head from the pictures you provided. People playing it will either know it's a copy or think he just used a lot of community-objects. Please don't let this stop you from creating more levels!! His level will be forgotten anyways and if my sources are correct, a swat team is on its way to his house as we speak. | 2009-06-25 13:38:00 Author: Zwollie  Posts: 2173 |
| His level will be forgotten anyways and if my sources are correct, a swat team is on its way to his house as we speak. Don't worry Zwollie...... Operation Stinky Stealer is go go go... | 2009-06-25 13:51:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| Don't worry Zwollie...... Operation Stinky Stealer is go go go... I would like to take part in any type of sabotage project, lol. What're we doing? | 2009-06-25 14:00:00 Author: comphermc  Posts: 5338 |
| That's hilarious! Let's hope they also remember the picture Rhyfelwr uploaded onto it with COPIED written all over his/my dragon head!!! Icey He should have uploaded a pic saying BAD COPY rather than copied. Copied suggests it is as good and in looking at those pics, no way is it even near the quality of your work. It's sad, especially if they have gotten more plays.. Maybe someone should post a comment saying.. "Hmmm.. you should play the real ones as they are sooooo much better!"Please don't let the actions of others discourage you. I know it is hard as I have had a few similar experiences, but allow this as motivation to make your next levels even more amazing! I am betting it will just frustrate them even more attempting to copy them!! Ya know... what might be funny is a level making fun of the bad copies in some of those levels. The goal to smash and destroy all the goofy versions of this or that. LOL !!! Take care! | 2009-06-25 14:03:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| It's not a good feeling to have people rip off your hard work like this but as Wex mentioned, it is very clear wich one is the original!! I am very glad you think so too Zwollie, thank you so much. I'm liking the sound of this swat team and thanks to you comphermc for wanting to take part and for the use of the word sabotage. Wex I knew you were a superb creator but calling the operation 'stinky stealer' is pure genius. :hero: Thanks jjwphotos, brilliant idea for a level. I'm not quite ready to start creating again. I don't want to break the controller. Last time I had to throw it against the wall twice before it broke. Icey | 2009-06-25 18:50:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Im sorry to say i havent played either level, ill have to do that later | 2009-06-25 19:19:00 Author: redmagus Posts: 667 |
| Icey, I do feel your pain. We have experienced the same issue. It's very obvious to this community that you are a True Master Creator, of which there are only a handful of on LBP. For this reason, you can expect it to happen again and again. Copying ideas and even levels, and passing them off as someone's own creation, is becoming prevalent in LBP, and here is one of the reasons... Since there is no policing in place by Mm or Sony, there is nothing to lose and everything to gain for these unrational individuals. Their reward is an increase in Creator hearts, which is what they are after. It's an evolutionary branch of the H4H levels...I'll call it C4H (Copy for Hearts). Bottom line, these individuals will do whatever it takes to Feed their Egos and nurture their phsychological abnormalities, and will always be able to justify in their own minds that they did nothing wrong--you've already seen that attempt at justification in some of Sonni's comments on the level in question. And please feel free to quote me on this...We have to keep in mind the vast majority of them are mentally imbalanced, and should seriously consider seeking Professional help. Many are suffering from a transference condition, where they project their physical and psychological existence onto a virtual world, and in time they are unable to distinguish it from reality. If left unaddressed, this can result in very serious abnormal behavior--i.e. paranoia, and multiple personality disorders. Sadly, Lady and I have witnessed this first hand in LBP, and this phenomenon has existed since PC Games first came out. So my dear, keep your chin up, keep creating your Awesomely Masterful levels, and thrive in this community that will always support your every endeavor. Rick | 2009-06-26 17:53:00 Author: RickRock_777  Posts: 1567 |
| Thankyou Rick. Not only for your support and encouragement but for helping me to put things into perspective. I actually feel good about myself. I feel fortunate that with my own mind I was able to create a beautiful little world from bits of this and bits of that and then invite other people to share it with me at the same time wanting them to see what I could see and even perhaps feel some of the emotion that I felt when I was creating it. Then I fed the cats, did the washing up, vaccumed the carpet, did the shopping and a hundred and one other normal things I can fit into one lot of twenty four hours. This is how you helped me with perspective. What I'm trying to say is that I feel lucky that I am on this side of the fence and thankfull that I can recognise reality. It could so easily have been different. The mind is a very fragile thing and I am sad for anyone who has any form of mental imbalance. So Rick, with your help, my chin is up and being part of this community is like being wrapped in a nice warm, soft blanket. Icey | 2009-06-26 21:02:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| lol, i just thought of an idea, lets all make copies of his levels and claim we never heard about him, that outta teach that punk a lesson about copying someone's level w/out permission. | 2009-06-27 12:12:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| lol, i just thought of an idea, lets all make copies of his levels and claim we never heard about him, that outta teach that punk a lesson about copying someone's level w/out permission. Yes, but then we'd only be making a copy of a copy of someone elses level.... You know, it would be funny if it turned out he really HADN'T heard of IceMaiden before and had stolen the graphics from someone else who had stolen the graphics from IceMaiden. | 2009-06-27 12:22:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| You know, it would be funny if it turned out he really HADN'T heard of IceMaiden before and had stolen the graphics from someone else who had stolen the graphics from IceMaiden. Is that a bit like I can't believe I can't believe I can't believe it's not butter's not butter! That's made me laugh! Icey | 2009-06-27 13:38:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| OK - Just wanted to throw in my two cents worth: I agree with most everything that has been said here. 'Tis truly unfortunate that this pirate has given no credit to his "inspiration" and worse, has lied open-faced about the issue. However, while I can understand your frustration with this, imitation truly is the greatest form of flattery and (as now pointed out multiple times) you are clearly the innovative imagination at work here and you should take that to heart. Your work is exceptional. Period. One other note... as we are now your cozy blanket... So Rick, with your help, my chin is up and being part of this community is like being wrapped in a nice warm, soft blanket....please take care not to spill your coffee. | 2009-06-27 15:08:00 Author: v0rtex  Posts: 1878 |
| LOL!!! This thread is getting pretty funny. Along the lines of what SL suggested... maybe have a contest to see how badly we could copy one of Icey's levels. "Now this entry was done with me toes!" "Har Har.. I got ya beat... my cat did this one." | 2009-06-27 15:16:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Yes, but then we'd only be making a copy of a copy of someone elses level.... You know, it would be funny if it turned out he really HADN'T heard of IceMaiden before and had stolen the graphics from someone else who had stolen the graphics from IceMaiden. While you`re obviously joking, and it was quite clear from the pictures IceMaiden provided that her creations had been copied, I think there is a danger when people accuse others of copying. I`ve seen a few times on this site that some are quick to accuse some people of copying someone else because of a similar object or obstacle. Problem then comes when you can`t really prove that you haven`t played the other level or that you made yours before you ever played it. Then you get the angry mob after you who fill up your comments section or uploading in-game pics with 'copied' or whatever in them. Like i said, it doesn`t really apply in this case as there was clear imitation, but it`s something that folk should be wary of. | 2009-06-27 15:54:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| true, and there are some cases where this has happened but i think its less common than the actually copies | 2009-06-27 16:51:00 Author: redmagus Posts: 667 |
| Sonni's>http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/APhoto_1-1.jpg Icy's>http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/APhoto_3-1.jpg Julesyjules'> I think I'll get away with it. | 2009-06-27 17:34:00 Author: julesyjules Posts: 1156 |
| julesyjules, which side is the mouth on? | 2009-06-27 17:43:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567 |
| I think I'll get away with it. Ha ha - that's about right. | 2009-06-27 18:18:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| Just played the original Fantastic levels, The song level was crazy amazing I liked the way you used glass and lighting, especially in the elevators to make it look like you were floating upwards. Great job | 2009-06-27 18:25:00 Author: redmagus Posts: 667 |
| Julesyjules'> I think I'll get away with it. Lol, that got a good laugh out of me nice one | 2009-06-27 19:24:00 Author: KAPBAM Posts: 1348 |
| While you`re obviously joking, and it was quite clear from the pictures IceMaiden provided that her creations had been copied, I think there is a danger when people accuse others of copying. First let me say Matt I hope I haven't offended you in any way by creating such a big issue of this incident. In retrospect it may have been better not to have posted the pictures. I know they weren't on anyones level but I did make them public viewing and although I provided these pictures it doesn't in any way prove that it was my creations that had been copied. It could have been the other way around. Which brings me to the advice you gave me vOrtex. I like my cozy blanket and if I spill my coffee I might get burned. That's cryptic!. jww that is THE most fantastic idea! Or you could have a contest to see how you could copy one of Icey's badly made levels. ( I do have another two apart from the trilogy that are very good examples). Good luck with that one and if anyone achieves it I'll give them the money meself!!!! :Im not sure I'm overly happy with the format you posted those pics in julesyjules. It looks very similar to the format I posted mine in. Your dragon is the clear cut winner for me and it's given me inspiration for my next level. I'm going to make something with a tunnel in it.  Icey | 2009-06-27 21:55:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| I think I'll get away with it. juleseyjules, this made me laugh so much!! Hang on though... is it a rabbit? I can see the ears.. teeth.. but where's its fluffy tail?? Thank you for your support. Rhy | 2009-06-28 12:09:00 Author: Rhyfelwr Posts: 606 |
| While you`re obviously joking, and it was quite clear from the pictures IceMaiden provided that her creations had been copied, I think there is a danger when people accuse others of copying. I`ve seen a few times on this site that some are quick to accuse some people of copying someone else because of a similar object or obstacle. Problem then comes when you can`t really prove that you haven`t played the other level or that you made yours before you ever played it. Then you get the angry mob after you who fill up your comments section or uploading in-game pics with 'copied' or whatever in them. Like i said, it doesn`t really apply in this case as there was clear imitation, but it`s something that folk should be wary of. I see what you're saying. To me the principle is the same as copyright law in the US. You can't copyright an IDEA, only the EXPRESSION of an IDEA. So, copying a style of level would be acceptable (for instance, the fact that this level is similar to CENTURIAN'S a level that plays itself, but doesn't copy the exact things you... um.... play through. But, the exact duplication of this specific area by IceMaiden would certainly, if commercial, constitute a copyright infringement. | 2009-06-28 21:09:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| im surprised i thought sonni has some pretty oridginal ideas but now i no his are just a bad copy of urs | 2009-06-28 21:52:00 Author: Dan_Westy  Posts: 41 |
| I see what you're saying. To me the principle is the same as copyright law in the US. You can't copyright an IDEA, only the EXPRESSION of an IDEA. So, copying a style of level would be acceptable (for instance, the fact that this level is similar to CENTURIAN'S a level that plays itself, but doesn't copy the exact things you... um.... play through. But, the exact duplication of this specific area by IceMaiden would certainly, if commercial, constitute a copyright infringement. In this case the person clearly stole the stuff from IceMaiden and Centurion. I believe that they even use objects that Centurion gave away as prizes (I might be wrong with that though). Similarities will happen though. There`s only so much that can be done with the create mode and as time goes on, it`ll happen more often. I think that it`s something that will become a bigger issue, especially if no big DLC is released to freshen things up for a while. | 2009-06-28 22:34:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| im surprised i thought sonni has some pretty oridginal ideas but now i no his are just a bad copy of urs Well he's had an even better 'original' idea now. He's giving away his/my dragon head as a prize. Guess we are going to be seeing a lot more of it around LBP. We can play spot the dragon and gaze in wonder at how beautifully it fits into 65 thousand other levels. Im so excited I can hardly contain myself. AND someone uploaded to my level a rather impressive close up photo of the Snow Queen's 'thrupnies' .......... I'm just glad it was my dragon that was sculpted and not my thrupnies!! :blush: Icey | 2009-06-29 13:13:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| thrupnies ahahaha! class. | 2009-06-29 15:47:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| thrupnies ahahaha! class. I'll admit.... I had to google it | 2009-06-29 15:55:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| Wow, just when I thought I knew every synonyme..... | 2009-06-29 16:56:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Wow, just when I thought I knew every synonyme..... It's just not an American thing I'm guessing. I'm from Massachusetts, you're from Florida, neither of us knew it. Actually, it's probably a British thing because if locations are to be believed, Wexfordian is Irish and he didn't know it either. Yes, I had to Google it as well. | 2009-06-29 17:07:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| Its British rhyming slang. eg "Dog and bone" = Phone "apples and pears" = Stairs Bit of Brit Trivia - Thrupnies comes froms "thrupence" or 3 pences (cents for americans and euro users) Also known as "thrupenny bits" Now I'll leave it to your imagination as to what rhymes with "bits". | 2009-06-29 17:19:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| Its British rhyming slang. eg "Dog and bone" = Phone "apples and pears" = Stairs Bit of Brit Trivia - Thrupnies comes froms "thrupence" or 3 pences (cents for americans and europeans) Also known as "thrupenny bits" Now I'll leave it to your imagination as to what rhymes with "bits". Wits? As in it's not going to take much wits to figure out where this is going. | 2009-06-29 17:21:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| It's cockney rhyming slang, so originating in London - it's pretty well known around the UK, though not actually used except as a joke (mostly) because you sound like a prat saying things like "apples and pears" all the time. | 2009-06-29 17:21:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| And back on topic: I'm actually surprised that X-Sonni-X is copying people's level ideas, because some of their work is pretty good. For example, I actually enjoyed PixelWorld, though I'm not sure if that is an original idea or if it is copied. | 2009-06-29 17:24:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| And back on topic: I'm actually surprised that X-Sonni-X is copying people's level ideas, because some of their work is pretty good. For example, I actually enjoyed PixelWorld, though I'm not sure if that is an original idea or if it is copied. I'd be surprised if it wasn't copied. I find it hard to believe Icemaiden, Centurion, Dan_Westy, hlee78 and who knows how many others, could have all copied from X-Sonni-X. All of these creators work was published well before his. I don't think any of them would have been offended if he had given credits instead of claiming all work was his original. If I'm not mistaken I think that is the issue. | 2009-06-29 17:43:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777  Posts: 3458 |
| Is there another "PixelWorld" or level like it, made by someone other than X-Sonni-X? I ask because I think I may have hearted it, and I want to make sure I'm giving the credit to the right person. | 2009-06-29 17:55:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| I don't think any of them would have been offended if he had given credits instead of claiming all work was his original. If I'm not mistaken I think that is the issue. That certainly is the issue for me and I can't help feeling that he has decided to give certain things away as prizes to spite all those who have pointed out his misdemeanor and possibly to verify 'his' creation. I woulld also like to point out at this juncture that the 'thrupnies' in question were in no way modelled on my own and the creating of them was 'handled' by Rhyfelwr and they were purely a figment of his imagination.:blush: He's a naughty boy. p.s. Im considering throwing the towel in (google link! (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=throwing+the+towel+in&btnG=Google+Search&meta=&aq=f&oq=)) Icey | 2009-06-29 18:06:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Interestingly, this thread has just given me a great idea for another knock-off of someone else's level (irony?): For the last several days there's been a stupid little level sitting next to me on cool pages where you bounce on poos. Each poo has a brain and you bounce left and right for as long as you can, destroying them for points. Ok, picture this: "Thrupny Bounce" | 2009-06-29 18:48:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Is there another "PixelWorld" or level like it, made by someone other than X-Sonni-X? I ask because I think I may have hearted it, and I want to make sure I'm giving the credit to the right person. There are quite a few levels relating to 'pixel' but only three actually called pixel world. The other two have very few plays unlike sonni's which is very popular. Ccubbage, your ideas for levels just keep getting better! Icey | 2009-06-29 20:34:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Interestingly, this thread has just given me a great idea for another knock-off of someone else's level (irony?): For the last several days there's been a stupid little level sitting next to me on cool pages where you bounce on poos. Each poo has a brain and you bounce left and right for as long as you can, destroying them for points. Ok, picture this: "Thrupny Bounce" LOL!!! It might get moderated, but that would be munch more fun than poo!! | 2009-06-29 21:07:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| LOL!!! It might get moderated, but that would be munch more fun than poo!! I was curious and I actually searched around for it. I found it, but I now wish that I hadn't. The sound was terrible and the gameplay was terribly boring. I was bored after the first play through. I gave it one star and never looked back. But yes, if you can make a (better) spin-off of it, go right ahead. After all, I do need something to get rid of the memory of that level. | 2009-06-30 03:49:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| I'm trying to feel better about it but whether I'm over-reacting or not, I don't want to go anywhere near LBP at the moment. I did send him a message vis PSN just asking how he managed it because I didn't think I'd published my level copyable (because I was doubting I'd made that mistake). He said... and I quote... "I haven't copied it or took a picture. Ive made it..improved... And now I played your trilogie..Great work." He then placed a comment on the first level.. "No, I havent played your snow trilogie.. I will play all 3 later," What I'm most amazed at is that 1 thing came out of two seperate minds.. scary! The thing that worries me is that because his level has so many plays, anyone playing it before they play mine will think I copied him!!! That does make me angry. Iceyhe did the same to me lol. he stole way more from me then he did from you. single player gate. getting burned twice. showing the mags. triangle drops. colored the cogs the same. moving catapults. im not flattered. im ******. if i use someones idea or object or even there stickers i give them a plug on my level. this person won't even admit he took any ideas from me. il get pics 2 plead my case today after work. btw he locked up his levels that play themselfs and republished them again in different slots....  | 2009-06-30 13:53:00 Author: CENTURION24  Posts: 266 |
| he did the same to me lol. he stole way more from me then he did from you. single player gate. getting burned twice. showing the mags. triangle drops. colored the cogs the same. moving catapults. im not flattered. im ******. if i use someones idea or object or even there stickers i give them a plug on my level. this person won't even admit he took any ideas from me. il get pics 2 plead my case today after work. btw he locked up his levels that play themselfs and republished them again in different slots.... Those cannons are identical, right down to the spinning magnetic switches in the sides as timers. I figured you gave them away as objects and he used them. | 2009-06-30 14:06:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| he did the same to me lol. he stole way more from me then he did from you. single player gate. getting burned twice. showing the mags. triangle drops. colored the cogs the same. moving catapults. im not flattered. im ******. if i use someones idea or object or even there stickers i give them a plug on my level. this person won't even admit he took any ideas from me. il get pics 2 plead my case today after work. btw he locked up his levels that play themselfs and republished them again in different slots.... I got away with it lightly compared to you CENTURION. I pointed out at the onset of this thread that your whole level was imitated. I believe we're not alone. There are other creators on his list too. We are also in the same boat as far as him admitting anything. I did notice the locked levels and the republished ones. I believe he is giving away certain objects as prizes now, one of which is his/my dragon, I'm not sure what the others are and no way am I playing it to find out. I will say one thing, sure as eggs is eggs, I will not be creating anything worth him 'borrowing' ever again. Icey | 2009-06-30 14:12:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| I will say one thing, sure as eggs is eggs, I will not be creating anything worth him 'borrowing' ever again. Icey NO!! Don't quit please!! | 2009-06-30 14:29:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173 |
| I will say one thing, sure as eggs is eggs, I will not be creating anything worth him 'borrowing' ever again. To be honest with you, I really don't see why you would let this stop you. Im mean, in all probability this is just some kid lacking in the imagination to go and create something original. Not everyone is going to be as well mannered and polite as the vast majority of people this site. Its why you get a plethora of similar levels after someone releases something fun or different. The whole bomb dropping levels is a perfect example of this. It would have been a shame if Elvis hung up his microphone because someone else released a song called "Blue Swede Slippers", or if If Da Vinci threw in the towel after spotting ""Moaning Lisa" (I'd love to see that painting )My point is, you shouldn't feel like this has devalued your work just because some punk kid has copied you. | 2009-06-30 14:47:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| NO!! Don't quite please!! I thought you were going to say "You didn't create anything worth him borrowing in the first place!!!" Zwollie. I hear what you are saying Wex, but I'm old and tired and I never did have a lot of confidence. Sounds like an interesting painting, there probably is one on tinters somewhere!!!! I must admit I have been rather put off by this fiasco and it has made me a tad disgruntled and if it happens again thirteen or fourteen more times I will get really angry!!! Icey | 2009-06-30 15:00:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| from his response to your pm, my guess is he's a child or has learning difficulties rather than an evil genius stealing great ideas. you can't let it get to you to the extent that you quit. if all the good creators quit we'll be left with the h4h crowd and I can't imagine anything worse. | 2009-06-30 15:11:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| Exactly!! Is that what you really want Icey? To push the rest of us in a small room with a bunch of h4hers? But seriously nows, You shouldn't let an incident like this stop you from making more levels. This is a community for all ages after all, things like this will keep happening. Just look the other way. | 2009-06-30 15:22:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173 |
| I was enjoying the Thrupnies conversion more. Seriously - couple facts: 1. None of this is serious business - it's LittleBigBusiness. In the end the only validation that matters is from the "creators" rather than the 50,000 5-8 year olds that play many of these people's levels. 2. This is an internet based worldwide thing - there are true artists, and then the people who COPY the artists. It's a fact of modern life. I was already used to this idea before starting to play LittleBigPlanet, so I'm a bit less annoyed with it. 3. If MM eventually changes the play count to "individual players" rather than "individual plays" it will statistically help, because the slightly less quality levels that rise to the top based on kids playing them 50 times each will balance out with more quality experiences. Therefore - your level would end up being as visible or even more visible than his. But this we'll have to wait and see if it ever happens. | 2009-06-30 15:38:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| i agree with zwollie, i havent played the copied level but i played your and they were fantastic, you should definately keep it up | 2009-06-30 15:39:00 Author: redmagus Posts: 667 |
| you can't let it get to you to the extent that you quit. if all the good creators quit we'll be left with the h4h crowd and I can't imagine anything worse. Hmm....... I hadn't thought of that. Trying to conjure up a mental image...... Horrible! :eek: I don't need to look the other way Zwollie, I can just take my glasses off! I'm sorry the subject was changed CCubbage. The 'thrupnies' conversation WAS hilarious' but not as hilarious as being able to 'google' them. I need to stop letting this get to me. Icey | 2009-06-30 15:41:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Not only has he copied CENTURION24's level that play themsselves levels, but he also has added graffiti to all of his levels. he got the graffiti idea from me... but my graffiti is wayyyy better, check it out, its called Graffiti.:Gallery:. Sonni is the least creative person on LBP.....i hate him | 2009-06-30 22:17:00 Author: ViDi--ViCi  Posts: 123 |
| Not only has he copied CENTURION24's level that play themsselves levels, but he also has added graffiti to all of his levels. he got the graffiti idea from me... but my graffiti is wayyyy better, check it out, its called Graffiti.:Gallery:. Sonni is the least creative person on LBP.....i hate him I will check it out when I can. Rhyfelwr has commandeered the PS3! The list is getting longer! | 2009-06-30 22:40:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Yeah, I just played with Vidi and sure enough. CENTURION was just saying last night and asking if I'd noticed how Sonni started putting graffiti in his levels, and that he probably took that from someone too... after some searching, I guess he found ViDi. Sonni is by far public enemy number one, and the anti-thesis of artistry, pride and creative thought. I wish MM could do some kind of anti-crown patch on his profile... make it so he has to wear a dunce cap for a month lol | 2009-07-01 01:51:00 Author: Unknown User |
| QUOTE=NinjaMicWZ;231465]Yeah, I just played with Vidi and sure enough. CENTURION was just saying last night and asking if I'd noticed how Sonni started putting graffiti in his levels, and that he probably took that from someone too... after some searching, I guess he found ViDi. Sonni is by far public enemy number one, and the anti-thesis of artistry, pride and creative thought. I wish MM could do some kind of anti-crown patch on his profile... make it so he has to wear a dunce cap for a month lol[/QUOTE][/I] Just another interesting little note- Sonni left a comment on Xenmir's Alphabet Fonts level 11 days ago praising his level and asking him to do a graffiti font. Ironically he left another comment on Gordy 2007's level stating- "Ow. Bad" then " The level is perfect but the creator not. Copywing without credit is not cool " This comment was left on 6/22. and that is his spelling not my typo.I really dislike injustice and I think I have WAY to much time on my hands..lol | 2009-07-01 06:03:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777 Posts: 3458 |
| Just another interesting little note- Sonni left a comment on Xenmir's Alphabet Fonts level 11 days ago praising his level He also had the nerve to praise my level when he responded to the PSN message I sent him. I am sorry for all the other creators who have had the misfortune of crossing his path. Icey | 2009-07-01 14:25:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| He also had the nerve to praise my level when he responded to the PSN message I sent him. I am sorry for all the other creators who have had the misfortune of crossing his path. Icey No worries, the SWAT team we recruited said he's been "taken care off". Now, I have no idea what they mean with that statement but at least you wont have to worry about him no more. Sidenote: I received an envelope with a finger in my mailbox today. Very odd, don't think it was meant for me... | 2009-07-01 14:33:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173 |
| Sidenote: I received an envelope with a finger in my mailbox today. Very odd, don't think it was meant for me... Ooow, was it a Cadbury's Chocolate finger?. Am I allowed to say Cadbury's on here! Thank goodness for the swat team. They are awesome. | 2009-07-01 14:37:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| For the Americans out there... Cadbury's is more British rhyming slang.... Comes from the old word.... Nah, they just make the best chocolate | 2009-07-01 14:49:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| For the Americans out there... Cadbury's is more British rhyming slang.... Comes from the old word.... Nah, they just make the best chocolate We KNOW what a Cadbury is. So, what we've learned so far (picture this with a british accent): Cadbury Thrupnies | 2009-07-01 15:02:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| I liked the "Thief" stickers, but I decided to add in a little bit of my own input. It should be uploaded on his second level that plays itself, though I hate having to give him the play for it. | 2009-07-01 15:04:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| We KNOW what a Cadbury is. So, what we've learned so far (picture this with a british accent): Cadbury Thrupnies Sooooo glad I haven't got those in this hot weather!!. Icey | 2009-07-01 15:10:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| No worries, the SWAT team we recruited said he's been "taken care off". Why do I have this image of strapping tape and a chair? ...oh.. uhh never mind. OOooo Look shiny things!! I need to go over there! trot trot trot | 2009-07-01 15:13:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Why do I have this image of strapping tape and a chair? ...oh.. uhh never mind. I thought you were talking about the Cadbury thrupnies there for a second! | 2009-07-01 15:17:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| I thought you were talking about the Cadbury thrupnies there for a second! !!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...I do like the sound of Cadbury thrupnies though. Definite change from those eggs doncha think? | 2009-07-01 15:33:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| !!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ...I do like the sound of Cadbury thrupnies though. Definite change from those eggs doncha think? They could use the same ad campaign as they do for the eggs though...... "How do you eat yours?" | 2009-07-01 15:35:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| I thought you were talking about the Cadbury thrupnies there for a second! No, "I" thought he was talking about Cadbury thrupnies: OOooo Look shiny things!! I need to go over there! trot trot trot | 2009-07-01 15:37:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| They could use the same ad campaign as they do for the eggs though...... "How do you eat yours?" :blush::blush::blush: Hilarious! | 2009-07-01 15:37:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| I would just like to say: Thank you IceMaiden, Wex, and Jwwphotos. I'm actually in a pretty good mood now today. (I might need to make a permenant file for this entire thread) | 2009-07-01 15:40:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| If this wasn`t a family friendly website I`d photoshop the hell out of Cadbury`s Cream Thrupnies. | 2009-07-01 15:49:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| I would just like to say: Thank you IceMaiden, Wex, and Jwwphotos. I'm actually in a pretty good mood now today. (I might need to make a permenant file for this entire thread) I'm in a good mood too thanks to all of you and Zwollie telling us about the package he recieved in the post! Edited by Icey | 2009-07-01 15:53:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| I'm in a good mood too thanks to all of you and Zwollies surprise package. Just when i thought this thread couldn't get any better | 2009-07-01 15:57:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| No, "I" thought he was talking about Cadbury thrupnies: LOL!!!!!! ...well.. I guess I never did quite specify that did I!?? :star::star: | 2009-07-01 16:06:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Just when i thought this thread couldn't get any better XD {thunk} nfghnjka0339jgbnj;sdjgmak;smkmse Sorry.. just fell over in my chair from laughing so hard. Had a bit of trouble typing there for a second. oops.. sorry for the unintentional double post.. | 2009-07-01 16:12:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| I just realised how bad that actually does sound. I think I may be banned from the forum unless I edit that post. Ooops! Edited above post because I didn't want to offend Zwollie! | 2009-07-01 16:39:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| LOL, this is now the best thread ever!! http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Lbs4iv2sVeq8ZM:http://k43.pbase.com/u16/m377/upload/4898985.handV72.jpg PEACE OUT Y'ALL!! | 2009-07-01 17:04:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173 |
| OMFG!!! i was just on the community pages and a i saw another level buy sonni...its like a big red face. And the level is writting ppls names in cartoon font .... this is what i do except in graffiti!!! he did give me credit for the concept, but still, that little 12 year-old doesnt have a creative bone in his body!!!!!!!!!!! Gosh and the writting sucks too. STOP PLAYING HIS LEVELS YOU STUPID LBP COMMUNITY PPL... jeeze i swear, sometime i think that the the lbp community is retarded. after all all of u idiots like those stupid bomb survival challenges......woooow losers.... (Not referring to anyone here..i dont think...) | 2009-07-01 20:07:00 Author: ViDi--ViCi Posts: 123 |
| OMFG!!! i was just on the community pages and a i saw another level buy sonni...its like a big red face. And the level is writting ppls names in cartoon font .... this is what i do except in graffiti!!! he did give me credit for the concept, but still, that little 12 year-old doesnt have a creative bone in his body!!!!!!!!!!! Gosh and the writting sucks too. STOP PLAYING HIS LEVELS YOU STUPID LBP COMMUNITY PPL... jeeze i swear, sometime i think that the the lbp community is retarded. after all all of u idiots like those stupid bomb survival challenges......woooow losers.... (Not referring to anyone here..i dont think...) Look on the bright side, he did give you credit, which is a first for him. Also, the screenshot for the level is hilarious, whoever posted it. And please try to calm down, there is really no need for name calling, caps lock, excessive use of exclamation marks, or disrespecting other people's opinions (believe it or not, some people do like bomb survival levels). | 2009-07-01 20:15:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| he did the same to me lol. he stole way more from me then he did from you. single player gate. getting burned twice. showing the mags. triangle drops. colored the cogs the same. moving catapults. im not flattered. im ******. if i use someones idea or object or even there stickers i give them a plug on my level. this person won't even admit he took any ideas from me. il get pics 2 plead my case today after work. btw he locked up his levels that play themselfs and republished them again in different slots.... There`s a claim, from Sonni no less, that you nicked the idea from someone called Zombiemouse? It`s in his comments on one of the levels doing the rounds on cool pages just now. | 2009-07-01 22:30:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| Sonni might be coming around.... i just tlaked to him and he promised to never copy levels by me any more... he promised to never make a level with font and making ppls names, also he promsied to never do graffiti any more....i think he is finally seeing that most ppl are against him, i think hes changing. | 2009-07-01 22:42:00 Author: ViDi--ViCi Posts: 123 |
| Sonni might be coming around.... i just tlaked to him and he promised to never copy levels by me any more... he promised to never make a level with font and making ppls names, also he promsied to never do graffiti any more....i think he is finally seeing that most ppl are against him, i think hes changing. Um... not likely | 2009-07-01 22:46:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| Sonni might be coming around.... i just tlaked to him and he promised to never copy levels by me any more... he promised to never make a level with font and making ppls names, also he promsied to never do graffiti any more....i think he is finally seeing that most ppl are against him, i think hes changing. Here are my thoughts on that subject......... http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/richergraphics/BubblesPigAnim.gif Icey | 2009-07-01 23:14:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Sonni might be coming around.... i just tlaked to him and he promised to never copy levels by me any more... he promised to never make a level with font and making ppls names, also he promsied to never do graffiti any more....i think he is finally seeing that most ppl are against him, i think hes changing. Another very interesting post ViDi--ViCi! Something "he" probably never considered...that the cumulative intellectual prowess of this community is fully capable of seeing through a veil made of glass. For the individual who is motivated to research, there is a vast amount of data available in a Level's comments sections, as well as the comments sections of every level the Level publisher has hearted, and every level those publishers have hearted. And when all of these links have been traversed, an individual's associations and intent becomes transparent. Knowledge feeds Wisdom! Rick | 2009-07-02 02:32:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567 |
| yeah i seriously doubt that hes changing, he may just now try to cover his trail better, or find a new method of copying that is different from what he does now, | 2009-07-02 04:25:00 Author: redmagus Posts: 667 |
| Well a new way of copying that is different... Assuming the chronology of his copying is the same as it is presented in this thread, he's moving towards more acceptable actions IMO From: Completely copy an artistic work on a 1:1 basis (or attempt to do so and fail miserably), give no credit to your influence and then flat out deny that you have copied anything. To: Copy an abstract concept (writing in LBP, can you really claim ownership of that?), put his own (if only very very slight) spin on it, reference the inspiration. If that's not a step in the right direction I don't know what is... I'm certainly not advocating anything he's done, please do not take this that way, and I totally appreciate why people hate him. Almost all of what he has done is wrong and I'm not saying people aren't justified in their critisisms, but... Bear in mind that it is possible he didn't understand the issues with copying stuff initially. Not being very creative, he's probably never been on the receiving end of this to understand it from personal experience. He may not have understood (on an intellectual or empathic level) the impact of ripping people off. I don't know how old he is, but I'm sure there was a time in my life when I didn't understand these concepts fully. People do grow and learn. He might do just that. Or he might not. If he gets slated on his way up, how is he ever gonna know what is the right direction? That's just counter-productive IMO. | 2009-07-02 09:42:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| People do grow and learn. He might do just that. Or he might not. If he gets slated on his way up, how is he ever gonna know what is the right direction? That's just counter-productive IMO. I am all for constructive criticism and believe it is a good way to learn. I am however struggling to figure out how constuctive criticism teaches a person how to tell the truth. How much better would it have been if a sincere appology was offered to all concerned. Maybe no one has constructed that criticism yet!. Icey | 2009-07-02 11:40:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Oh I totally agree with that and I'd like to say (I don't think I have yet) that I completely sympathise with you over what has been done to you here. My point was simply that he does seem to be moving towards the more acceptable actions of being influenced by others and respectfully referencing them, rather than just ripping them off and lying about it. He's still a long way away from that and it certainly doesn't redeem previous actions. This could also just be a blip. I don't know. | 2009-07-02 12:06:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| maybe he's 7 and his dad makes all his levels and doesn't realise the fuss it's causing? | 2009-07-02 15:20:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| I think someone mentioned he was really 12? Not saying that 12 year olds are all that way, but he still has quite a few years of opportunity to grow up. ...by that, I am simply meaning that if he was really 30 or 40 then he wasted quite a few years in the maturing process!! | 2009-07-02 15:44:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| He probably is twelve since....wait a minute....my swat team killed a child!?! What am I gonna do!! what am I gonna do!! Don't tell me to calm down, YOU CALM DOWN!! Yes, if he is indeed 12 years old it becomes a little harder to be mad at him for ripping off your work. That's what kids of that age do, mean and stupid stuff!! He'll (somewhat) change over the years. | 2009-07-02 15:49:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173 |
| He probably is twelve since....wait a minute....my swat team killed a child!?! OK calm down! All we need is some bleach, duct tape and a shed load of lime...... | 2009-07-02 15:51:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| OK calm down! All we need is some bleach, duct tape and a shed load of lime...... And several melted cadbury thrupnies to hide any remaining evidence. Ok, this is OFFICIALLY out of my system. | 2009-07-02 16:02:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Haha, But seriously, wex's calm, practical response to the killing of a 12 year old worries me. Let's all be <b>extra</b> nice to wex from now on. Even more seriously, the fact that he's 12 means (depending on maturity - I know we have some mature 12 year olds here and I don't want to offend him) he's vaguely in the right age range to be beginning to understanding this stuff and so it makes me think even more that if he gets attacked even when he's trying to improve his behaviour, he may just think **** it and never actually learn. I just realised I actually typed in 4 stars then instead of a rude word. This confuses me. | 2009-07-02 16:03:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| maybe he's 7 and his dad makes all his levels and doesn't realise the fuss it's causing? Even at 7 my daughter knows what is right or wrong. And the difference between telling the truth and telling a lie. | 2009-07-02 16:07:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777 Posts: 3458 |
| But seriously, wex's calm, practical response to the killing of a 12 year old worries me. Let's all be extra nice to wex from now on. Well in fairness now, we've all been there..... right guys?...guys?....... Ummmmm...... I'll get my coat....... | 2009-07-02 16:09:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| Lady_Luck, I'm sure your 7 year old does know the difference, but she probably still lies occasionally. Nearly everyone does. And "right" and "wrong" are very subjective things, especially when you are talking about (as I am) the subtle difference between copying something you like without referencing the source, and being influenced by something, modifying it and citing your influences. It's certainly not something that ever came in my life as a child. No one taught me referencing and the complexities of IP until much later. | 2009-07-02 16:16:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| rtm223- yes she does lie occassionally. However when confronted she will apologize and correct the behavior. She knows there are consequences to her actions. In Sonni's case when confronted he denied doing anything wrong. Unfortunately there are not really any consequences to Sonni's actions. Being influenced and modifying is different than the out right copying of Icemaiden's cave, which Sonni claims to be his original work. | 2009-07-02 16:39:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777 Posts: 3458 |
| You know... I actually have 2 software packages I've designed that are being pirated out of Russia for $20.00 each (retailing at over $1000). So I feel everyones pain when something is stolen. Except...... that this is a GAME. One thing to keep in mind is that we're dealing with a global community of people who are every age group, every level of artistry, every level of maturity, and every level of scruples. These things are going to happen, and if we take it too seriously we end up being adults fighting children - which if we were on the street would look pretty bad. I have a formula I've created for preventing my creations from being stolen. Here it is: 1. I don't create things that look very good (this is CRUCIAL) 2. I create levels that, other than Tiger Woods, makes children cry in frustration - so therefore don't get THAT many plays. 3. If I DO create something everyone likes (like Tiger Woods) I make sure the mechanics are so far beyond the general creator that they can't possibly copy what I've done. There ya go! | 2009-07-02 16:42:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Heh, I like #1 Ccubbage, I definately do that out of choice. It's not at all because I suck at art Ladyluck, that is my point. His initial actions where definately wrong and he has not definately not redeemed himself or apologised for that (as I stated a few posts above). But after being confronted he has apparently changed his behaviour. To my mind, anyone can say sorry, whether they mean it or not. But an actual change in behaviour is a far more significant thing. I also think that Ccubbage has made an excellent point about the nature of the community we are talking about here - he is a child playing a game and (to me at least) things seem different viewed in that context. Of course, that is very easy for me to say as I have not suffered from this. I'm sure if it was me he owed an apology to I'd be less inclined to be of that viewpoint. | 2009-07-02 16:57:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Something to keep in mind...at the age of 12, the values that define the foundation that a life is built upon have already been instilled. If the individual lacks morals, then there was an obvious lack of parenting skills, but the ability to discern right from wrong is instilled in a myriad of ways. The 7 year old that Lady speaks of is obviously my daughter as well. She has a strong moral foundation that we, as parents, have nurtured. Yes, children make mistakes, as do adults. But there is no need for a detailed understanding of the complex intricacies of interacting in society...a basic skillset will suffice, as is evident in the majority of individuals. Even with a lack of parental support, the "road signs" of acceptable behavior are ever-present, even to a 12 year old...I doubt Sonni lives in a vacuum. In the case of Sonni, he was confronted with the issue, but made a choice to ignore it and then justify his actions. Behavior such as this is abnormal, as I stated in an earlier post on this thread. Abnormal behavior has been a side effect in the Gaming Industry for decades now, but that is no reason to provide excuses or ignore it, as that mentality perpetuates the issue. I believe it is the responsibility of leaders in a community such as this, forums, clubs and organizations, to promote Responsible Gaming, which entails helping an individual to see the error of their ways with the tools at our disposal. Rick | 2009-07-02 17:09:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567 |
| Ladyluck, that is my point. His initial actions where definately wrong and he has not definately not redeemed himself or apologised for that (as I stated a few posts above). But after being confronted he has apparently changed his behaviour. To my mind, anyone can say sorry, whether they mean it or not. But an actual change in behaviour is a far more significant thing. I also think that Ccubbage has made an excellent point about the nature of the community we are talking about here - he is a child playing a game and (to me at least) things seem different viewed in that context. Of course, that is very easy for me to say as I have not suffered from this. I'm sure if it was me he owed an apology to I'd be less inclined to be of that viewpoint. I agree that an actual change in behavior is far more significant and I can definately respect that. However changing the name of the level but not the content in dispute is to me a hollow gesture. (As of last night) | 2009-07-02 17:21:00 Author: Lady_Luck__777 Posts: 3458 |
| and *sigh* Rick, in some ways you've actually agreed with what I was saying. That it is a responsibility to help an individual see the error of their ways. If he does something wrong and gets critisised for it, this will help him see. As he seems to have changed his actions: From: Completely copy an artistic work on a 1:1 basis (or attempt to do so and fail miserably), give no credit to your influence and then flat out deny that you have copied anything. To: Copy an abstract concept (writing in LBP, can you really claim ownership of that?), put his own (if only very very slight) spin on it, reference the inspiration. If that's not a step in the right direction I don't know what is... If he gets slated on his way up, how is he ever gonna know what is the right direction? That's just counter-productive IMO... Critisising the new behaviour in exactly that same way as the old does nothing to help him see the error of his ways. I'm not saying he should be rewarded, but he is improving. And my post was in direct response to a post that doubted he would ever change. He's a child - hell, I'm 24 and as a child was well educated and brought up with very strong morals and I'm still changing now - I don't see that stopping anytime soon. | 2009-07-02 17:21:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| But the fact is.... we have already let him know the error of his ways. At some point it stops being our responsibility and is the responsibility of his parents. At this point he does not think of us as being adults - he thinks of us as gamers just as him, and therefore equals he has every right to challenge. If you want to see how thick headed most people are - try watching Judge Judy a few times.... I'd give him a spanking, but I'm afraid of breaking my TV. | 2009-07-02 17:24:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| i havent really played your yet, Which i said i was gona... 2 weeks ago but yours is wayy better! | 2009-07-02 17:47:00 Author: 01philip01  Posts: 545 |
| I'm starting to feel sorry for this kid tbh, this has become a bit of a witch hunt. While I completely understand how frustrating it is, you've got to look at why he did it. It sure as hell wasn't to be nasty. I had it happen to me a while back, but rather than confront the person concerned, I just commented on their level that everything looked familiar and added a winking smiley. Its not that I wasn't angry, I just didn't particularly want to start a war with anyone. Anyway, the guy actually got back to me about it and went on to tell me what a wonderful creator I am and that my levels are an inspiration etc. While a credit would have been nice, I was really flattered that he'd enjoyed my level so much that he felt the need to imitate it. Levels are copied all the time and that won't change, so you're better off looking at the positives imo. | 2009-07-02 17:51:00 Author: Kiminski  Posts: 545 |
| if this game had come out when I was 12, there's a good chance I'd be recreating things I had seen in other levels too. would I know that I was doing something wrong? probably not. there's also a good chance that I wouldn't respond well to people sending aggressively toned messages or uploading stickers proclaiming that I was a thief either. that kind of behaviour is hardly going to make him do the civilised thing is it? especially, as cabbage says, when he sees other players as nothing more than another child, calling him names. if it's true that this dude is 12 years old, then I think some of us need to take a step back and a deep breath and grow up a little to be frank. I'm 27 years old and arguing with a little boy over a video game is beneath me and has been for quite some time. | 2009-07-02 18:03:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| there's also a good chance that I wouldn't respond well to people sending aggressively toned messages or uploading stickers proclaiming that I was a thief either. I'm 27 years old and arguing with a little boy over a video game is beneath me and has been for quite some time. Some good points Matt. Communicating a Responsible Gaming issue requires tact and a cool-minded approach, as bashing and arguing can lead to walls and closed minds. | 2009-07-02 18:18:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567 |
| Some good points Matt. Communicating a Responsible Gaming issue requires tact and a cool-minded approach, as bashing and arguing can lead to walls and closed minds. Yes. While I don`t know what was said in any of the PMs, and I`m certainly not accusing everyone of aggression, the tone throughout this thread has me convinced that Sonni-X received at least abusive PM. I know that people have been uploading 'thief' pictures, because I`ve seen them. I don`t think that it`s helped the situation and as you say Rick, may well have made things worse. | 2009-07-02 18:37:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| It all has been touched on before, but children regardless of age 1 - 101, can be quite cruel at times. I think even more so once the element of actual human contact is removed either via an online game or simply the internet. For example.. many folks simply honk their horns, get irate and scream at one another for taking a parking place or cutting them off on the road. That same interaction might be totally different if they both walked up to the front door at the same time. Something about not seeing the other human via the internet or shielded mostly from view by a 3200lb car changes some folks behavior. Possibly that some folks don't perceive them as real or are far removed from any type of consequence might possibly be the largest contributing factor. Taking in account of this person's age (12).. I actually feel a bit bad for him to suddenly have a wave of strangers arrive at his door telling him he is wrong. I am not saying that telling him is wrong... but I happened upon one comment on his level by a Very new member on this forum that really disturbed me. (I'm not referring to the swat team segment) The comment left by them wasn't nice, it wasn't tactful and I'm quite embarrassed that they mentioned LBPC in the process as I feel the majority of us here are quite friendly, helpful and kind individuals. It is true, I was among the ones that felt bad for Icey when she created the thread as well as took part in all the fun concerning Cadbury's new product line, however I would never leave a nasty obnoxious message on someone's comments page regardless of how upset they made me. Especially not knowing how old they are.. The 12 year old creator should be advised of their "wrong doing", especially if the trend continues as it seemingly had in this instance, but I am not one to scream nasty things at kids of any age regardless of what horrible prank they pulled on me or any of my friends. ...at least I hope I don't!! While I don't condone copying off someone else's test paper for advancement, recognition, or just thinking that is "how it's made", my only wish is that everyone can be as happy on this planet as I am while playing this game. ..as well as treat everyone with respect and dignity even if they possibly don't deserve it. Best regards! | 2009-07-02 19:17:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| It all has been touched on before, but children regardless of age 1 - 101, can be quite cruel at times. I think even more so once the element of actual human contact is removed either via an online game or simply the internet. For example.. many folks simply honk there horns, get irate and scream at one another for taking a parking place or cutting them off on the road. That same interaction might be totally different if they both walked up to the front door at the same time. Something about not seeing the other human via the internet or shielded mostly from view by a 3200lb car changes some folks behavior. Possibly that some folks don't perceive them as real or are far removed from any type of consequence might possibly be the largest contributing factor. Taking in account of this person's age (12).. I actually feel a bit bad for him to suddenly have a wave of strangers arrive at his door telling him he is wrong. I am not saying that telling him is wrong... but I happened upon one comment on his level by a Very new member on this forum that really disturbed me. (I'm not referring to the swat team segment) The comment left by them wasn't nice, it wasn't tactful and I'm quite embarrassed that they mentioned LBPC in the process as I feel the majority of us here are quite friendly, helpful and kind individuals. It is true, I was among the ones that felt bad for Icey when she created the thread as well as took part in all the fun concerning Cadbury's new product line, however I would never leave a nasty obnoxious message on someone's comments page regardless of how upset they made me. Especially not knowing how old they are.. The 12 year old creator should be advised of their "wrong doing", especially if the trend continues as it seemingly had in this instance, but I am not one to scream nasty things at kids of any age regardless of what horrible prank they pulled on me or any of my friends. ...at least I hope I don't!! While I don't condone copying off someone else's test paper for advancement, recognition, or just thinking that is "how it's made", my only wish is that everyone can be as happy on this planet as I am while playing this game. ..as well as treat everyone with respect and dignity even if they possibly don't deserve it. Best regards! Great works of wisdom! OK, now.... I'm off to make a race level.... I think it should have 3 parts so it can be long, but people may be tiring of "normal" racing by the third part so I'm going to need to invent some kind of vehicle... hmmmm... maybe be pulled by some electric thingy?.... | 2009-07-02 19:27:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| I have read everything that everyone has to say and there are several things I would like to add. CCubbage, I am not at all sure that 'Cadbury Thrupnies' are REALLY out of your system and I don't go along with the suggestion that you don't create things that look good. Having said that and on a more serious note, one word that Rick used which stands out the most is values. Some people have them, some people don't. I taught both my children the importance of values. The only problem with that is it can be difficult to understand why others don't have the same standards and therefore expectations can be too high and often the result of the actions of others can lead to disappointment. Now although this IS only a game it is also the internet and there is no way of knowing exactly if the person concerned is a child, an adult or a little green man from outer space, so the speculation that this is a witch hunt or we are beating up a 'poor' child is actually irrelevant. Some do feel sorry for him, actually it could be a her, so does anyone feel sorry for me when I say I'm actually only nine and Im just pretending to be a grown woman with two children and three husbands under my belt!!!! Ok so I'm not nine, but I could be and none of you would be any the wiser. So my point is it doesn't matter which side of the fence you are sitting on because we each have our own expectations. My feelings on this whole can of worms I have opened up are simple. Actions speak louder than words and it doesn't matter how many times someone says 'I won't do it again' or 'I'm sorry', doing it again isn't being sorry and there's no way of knowing if it will be done again, as promised, until it is done again. For my part, since I started all of this, I am not in the habit of causing people pain and misery, although Rhy would probably disagree, but the difference there is the fact that I would actually recognise if that was happening. I also have moral standards and had I created something which then had the reaction that sonni's creation has had I would have no hesitation in deleting the whole sorry lot of it. However, that is what I would do, and whether he/she/it or them would do the same is a completely different matter. Each and every one of us reacts and handles situations in our own way and not always in the way that others would condone.We can't change who we are but we can make our own choices. I have also seen the pictures mentioned and don't like to look at them. I too have had pictures uploaded onto my levels which I found extremely offensive and my course of action was to take a whole load more myself to boot the others off. Of course I could have left them there if I wanted to look victimised. Now I need to lie down in a darkened room but before I do, thankyou to everyone for supporting me and each other. I also have one small thing to add..... Ich bin warscheinlich eine wurstbude. I'm probably a sausage stand. Which just about sums it all up really! Icey | 2009-07-02 19:30:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| No, this sums it up: While I was on the spotlight team I went into the Snow Queen levels to see if they were worthy of spotlighting. These levels took my breath away, and were so beautiful I about got a lump in my throat. Absolutely mesmerizing from beginning to end - and regardless of whether Sonni poorly copied a bit of it, that is something only an artist could do. I think he has about as much chance of convincing people that he came up with anything so beautiful as a road-side black velvet painting sales person has of convincing someone he came up with the Mona Lisa - so in the end this thread is kind of moot. Keep up the great work! And yes... Cadbury Thrupnies are not quite out of my system - we'll have to wait until tomorrow for that! | 2009-07-02 19:45:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Great works of wisdom! OK, now.... I'm off to make a race level.... I think it should have 3 parts so it can be long, but people may be tiring of "normal" racing by the third part so I'm going to need to invent some kind of vehicle... hmmmm... maybe be pulled by some electric thingy?.... THANKS! & LOL!!! oh ummm uhhh Sure!! Oh... and I'm betting it won't be that hard to make and uhh.. gosh, I know that it will get tons of plays. :blush: Actually I know of a better one to try. Has this cute cuddly teddy bear, albeit the MM one, that wants you to help fix the town's roller coaster and you get to swing around and play on all the fun scenery and such before finally taking a really fast coaster ride to a cute surprise ending. In fact.. I need to do a level showcase on that one as I like it MUCH better than that race one!! | 2009-07-02 19:48:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| THANKS! & LOL!!! oh ummm uhhh Sure!! Oh... and I'm betting it won't be that hard to make and uhh.. gosh, I know that it will get tons of plays. :blush: Actually I know of a better one to try. Has this cute cuddly teddy bear, albeit the MM one, that wants you to help fix the town's roller coaster and you get to swing around and play on all the fun scenery and such before finally taking a really fast coaster ride to a cute surprise ending. In fact.. I need to do a level showcase on that one as I like it MUCH better than that race one!! That ones too hard, unless I can find a rooler coaster object.... | 2009-07-02 20:14:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| As IceMaiden's Husband, I have an active interest in this thread and I thought I would have my tuppence worth... oooh...tuppenies! (Google under caution!) Seriously though, I felt that some things need to be put back into perspective. Firstly, I was brought up in a strict parental household where capital punishment was dished out whenever the opportunity arose. As such, my perspective will be different from many others who had a more loving, encouraging upbringing. Secondly, every child who is brought into the world has to adapt and survive in the current environment.. it's a natural instinct. As such, a child has two major influences 1) their parents and, just as critically, 2) the community in which they exist. Whilst parents are ultimately responsible for protection and instilling values at a young age, RickRock is right in that many of the characteristic foundations are already in place by the age of 12. From then on, the child will use their naive understanding and deliberately (if subconciously) challenge the remainder of the world (including their own parents). This process is important to formulate the building blocks of social interactivity and develop a more comprehensive understanding of what is right and wrong and where they can (acceptably) exert leverage over their piers. Without it, the child would develop social abnormalities and be rapidly shunned by the majority. We all form the majority and therefore the community in which the child has to adapt to. With this in mind, our opinions and actions, in whole, form the complex web of social interactivity that needs to be understood and catered for in adult life. What's "right" and what is "wrong" is entirely subjective. If the current community accepts an action, then that is assumed to be "right". Conversely, if that action is reprimanded, then that action is deemed "wrong". This then dictates the rough boundaries. Unfortunately, the boundaries are never clear cut. There are many shades of grey, and the process of callenging your piers, assists you to determine where those boundaries become unacceptable. This is further complicated by the internet, where the majority of the planet starts to interact, not just a local bubble. If Sonni, or any other young player, is not made aware that they have done wrong, then they will deem that "the community" has accepted it and they will continue unabated.. Our actions and opinions form this boundary for future generations. In other words, whatever is expressed or done here defines (if you don't realise it) what is right or wrong. Weirdly, every opinion here should be valued equally and very highly. It is my opinion, for it's worth, is that Sonni be made aware that the community (generally) does not agree with his actions. However far we enforce this with Sonni dictates "how" wrong it is. Hmm.. think this is more of a tenpence worth. I'm going to sign off now before I get lynched. Rhy | 2009-07-02 20:37:00 Author: Rhyfelwr Posts: 606 |
| I think you're absolutely right... but the next question is "how far is too far"? I personally put a comment on Sonni's thread that said something to the affect of "It's not nice to copy other people's work of art". But, in the end - it's a game, it attracts quite a lot of immature kids, and there is no standard within for right and wrong - AND within the game we are all portrayed as peers. (even though some of us are not kids. I'm a software manager). NOTHING Sonni is doing is against any "rules of the game". Until MM has guidelines for this kind of thing, I'm not sure it's right to harass copycats until they take the work down - even though the thought irritates me as much as everyone else here. Now, if we could know who he is and talk to his parents, that's a different story.... | 2009-07-02 20:48:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| "how far is too far"? I think a 12 page thread on a public forum is too far. I don't mean to offend anyone and can totally relate with the feeling you get when you see somebody else getting credit for your work, but this is being over analyzed and needs to be put in perspective. It's a kid playing a video game after a few hearts. You might also want to consider that Icey's levels (They are fantastic btw!) were based on somebody else work too. | 2009-07-02 22:14:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545 |
| There was a 6 page detour about thrupnies though so it`s not that bad haha! | 2009-07-02 22:21:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| *Waits for someone to do something ironic* | 2009-07-02 22:38:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Nothing ironic. BUT....It seems that Sonni has changed the intro to not include the 'stolen parts' anymore. At least that's what I gather... I'm a bit late to the conversation (like 12 pages late), so I'm like that guy that jumps into the conversation when it's just wrapping up... (I apologize for that). It's now got a cartoon-y intro, at least if I was playing the right one. Pretty sure I did, because it had pictures of the head and the bridge with 'stolen' stickered on them. Case closed... Thread closed? | 2009-07-02 23:33:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| Nothing ironic. BUT....It seems that Sonni has changed the intro to not include the 'stolen parts' anymore. At least that's what I gather... I'm a bit late to the conversation (like 12 pages late), so I'm like that guy that jumps into the conversation when it's just wrapping up... (I apologize for that). It's now got a cartoon-y intro, at least if I was playing the right one. Pretty sure I did, because it had pictures of the head and the bridge with 'stolen' stickered on them. Case closed... Thread closed? Hmmm.... closed thread? Gosh, this thread has been a lot of fun..... Some of us laughed, some of us cried, some of us had way too much time on our hands - I don't know. I'd hate to see it go. Cadbury thrupnies anyone? | 2009-07-02 23:44:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| I wish I still lived round the corner from cadbury's world. I could have all the thrupnies I could ever want then. It's very sad when a man's life is thrupny free, very sad indeed | 2009-07-02 23:49:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Next time I hear the word 'thrupnies' in normal conversation I`m going to burst out laughing. The word has been sullied forever more. | 2009-07-02 23:53:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096 |
| Hmmm.... closed thread? Gosh, this thread has been a lot of fun..... Some of us laughed, some of us cried, some of us had way too much time on our hands - and some of us received 'surprise packages' in the post! I wasn't counting the pages on this thread but now you come to mention it maybe that is a bit excessive. Not sure what's an acceptable amount when the topic is as sensitive as this. Kiminski, you are right about me basing my levels on someone elses work,(Hans Christian Andersen)and the sad thing about that is he is no longer here to start a 12 page thread about it. That certainly put me in my place didn't it. I would be happy if this thread was locked now. Now if someone started a Cadbury's Thrupny thread........... Icey. | 2009-07-03 02:32:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Nothing ironic. BUT....It seems that Sonni has changed the intro to not include the 'stolen parts' anymore. At least that's what I gather... I'm a bit late to the conversation (like 12 pages late), so I'm like that guy that jumps into the conversation when it's just wrapping up... (I apologize for that). It's now got a cartoon-y intro, at least if I was playing the right one. Pretty sure I did, because it had pictures of the head and the bridge with 'stolen' stickered on them. Case closed... Thread closed? Sorry for the double post but this is in fact the case and I would like to offer my apologies for kicking up such a fuss about this subject. Here's something ironic, I actually feel rubbish now which will be good news for anyone who thinks I deserve it!.  | 2009-07-03 13:21:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Sorry for the double post but this is in fact the case and I would like to offer my apologies for kicking up such a fuss about this subject. Here's something ironic, I actually feel rubbish now which will be good news for anyone who thinks I deserve it!. ..nah.. no worries. You felt bad, we tried to help. He was informed and mended his transgression at least in this case. I think you put it behind you, have a Cadbury Thrupny (or uhh two) and possibly send him a note to thank him or comment as such on his level. That might make you both smile. ..and hopefully he learned something and attempts some new content that isn't a copy. | 2009-07-03 14:30:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| ..nah.. no worries. You felt bad, we tried to help. He was informed and mended his transgression at least in this case. I think you put it behind you, have a Cadbury Thrupny (or uhh two) and possibly send him a note to thank him or comment as such on his level. That might make you both smile. ..and hopefully he learned something and attempts some new content that isn't a copy.Totally! Tbh, I think the fuss was a joint effort between all contributors to the thread anyway, so no need to feel bad. Glad you got it sorted though! | 2009-07-03 14:50:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545 |
| I think a 12 page thread on a public forum is too far. I don't mean to offend anyone and can totally relate with the feeling you get when you see somebody else getting credit for your work, but this is being over analyzed and needs to be put in perspective. It's a kid playing a video game after a few hearts. You might also want to consider that Icey's levels (They are fantastic btw!) were based on somebody else work too. Actually, I believe Icey's Levels were "inspired", not a "blatant copy" of another work that was claimed to be her own--i.e. a Story in Word Form vs a Story in Visual Form, like a Novel vs. a Movie. Inspiration and plagiarism are significantly different. When considering Icey's intial post in this Thread, the underlying topic of this thread is not based on age (age was a side-bar)...it is based on an action that, in principle, falls outside the accepted behaviors of a Society. Had this been a structured debate, we would not have been allowed to get off topic. Voicing one's opinion is a fundamental process of Democracy, and diversity of opinion leads to a general consensus (a majority). I have enjoyed being able to have a glimpse into the minds of those members posting in this thread...to get a better understanding of their feelings on the topic of plagiarism. Rick | 2009-07-03 17:46:00 Author: RickRock_777 Posts: 1567 |
| Hehe, someone overanalysed the post that said the thread was being overanalysed. I'm glad someone went for it and the world is still as predictable as ever I think kiminski is well aware of the difference here, as is pretty much everyone. And if anyone wasn't aware before this thread, I'm sure they understand by now. It's been pretty well covered. | 2009-07-03 18:03:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| I'm quite sure they do understand the difference, however I would also hope that they can understand why I would have been upset enough in the first place to have created this thread. In order that a definitive end can now be drawn I'd like to remind people of what has so far been agreed. 1) That the original level used a replica of the dragon that originally appeared in my level, and that the author has now removed that dragon. This has been taken of an act of good faith, I have thanked him for doing so and I will not be pursuing this matter any further with that user. 2) That plagiarism and inspiration are two different things - the Snow Queen levels are based on the work of Hans Christian Andersen, much as the stage show West Side Story was based on the work of William Shakespeare. Neither one directly plagiarises the original source, rather uses elements of the creator's ideas to inspire another, different work. Obviously after this amount of time people are growing tired of this thread, and this is understandable. As such, with everything that needs to have been said having been said I would suggest that we draw a line under this debate. Any further posts should be ignored - it is unlikely that anyone will change their standpoints in the debate at this point in time, and should anyone choose to post the only things that are left to say are really no more than attempts to bait one side of the argument. Thankyou to everyone who supported me in this matter, and apologies to any of those whom I may have offended. Case Closed. | 2009-07-03 22:41:00 Author: IceMaiden Posts: 1057 |
| Locked on request. | 2009-07-03 22:58:00 Author: Killian Posts: 2575 |
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