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so im not sure if anyone has heard about this. But in massachusetts U.S.A, A doctor who performed abortions was murdered in a church. After evading multiple attempts on his life, he was finally killed. so....... how pro life are you when you go around killing LIVE people. You know, some people might think it is reasonable to petition and what not, im fine with that...But going around murdering people, that doesnt really sit well. He probably did it because he gets agrees with the bible saying that life begins at contraception. Doesnt the bible also say something against murder??? Once again, humanity stoops lower. It also pushes me farther and farther away from religions because all religions, contain monsters like these. Your thoughts??

2009-06-01 23:20:00 Author: chiropractor345 Posts: 161

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There's a surprising amount of religious people that contradict themselves like this. People that boast that god is all forgiving but aren't tolerant of other people's opinions at all.. that sort of thing. This is a pretty ridiculous example though. Someone who most likely preaches peace and forgiveness decides that their religion justifies killing someone. Well that's assuming that this was a religious attack anyway There's a good chance that it was just some OTT protester - similar to PETA, they're all pretty crazy

2009-06-01 23:34:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100

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WOW - heavy topic. I'm not affilated with any organized religion - nor would I wish to be. So you can pretty much infer my opinion on this whole thing. It's a crazy world full of crazier people who can do just about anything in the name of their perception of a supreme deity. That's all I care to say on the subject as I'll get really angry - and you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

2009-06-01 23:40:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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Well, let's not judge people that are "pro-life" because one of them was a crazy dude and went killing. There are criminals that also are pro-abortion and that doesn't make us all supporters criminal. Anyways, the subject is interesting. My personal standpoint is that it's sad that this guy has been murdered when he was actually fighting for liberty. Like it not, kids belonging to your god or not, it's the women who bears the job and she is the master of her body. If she wants an abortion (reasonably early of course) she should be able to. It's her body, not ours. The religion standpoint is funny anyways. All this crap happening while their religion is also trying to teach them to not judge other people... .

2009-06-01 23:47:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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I love men who think they can ban abortion. Man, I must say abortion doctors or whatever are pretty brave. There are tons of crazies out there who want to kill them. I wonder if those people know how overpopulated the world is? Eventually, the world is going to reach maximum capacity. There will be too many humans. And then disease will hit and most of us will die. And it will probably happen in twenty or thirty years or so.

2009-06-01 23:56:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664

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Yeah, read about that... but, again, don't think all pro-lifers hunt people down because of one crazy =_=.

2009-06-02 00:06:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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The Onion has a hilarious article on this: Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven In Abortion-Clinic Attack http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28817 In a more disturbing reaction, here's a selection of despicable tweets hailing the gunman as a hero: http://carnalnation.com/content/7628/3/tweets-hate-crazy-right-twitters-about-murder-dr-tiller

2009-06-02 00:06:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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The Onion has a hilarious article on this: Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven In Abortion-Clinic Attack http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28817 In a more disturbing reaction, here's a selection of despicable tweets hailing the gunman as a hero: http://carnalnation.com/content/7628/3/tweets-hate-crazy-right-twitters-about-murder-dr-tiller I really hate mankind. Such idiots.

2009-06-02 00:13:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664

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I've long since realized the vast majority of humans are unevolved mindless apes. Personally I think abortion is wrong. If someone thinks they want to go through with them I'll fight them tooth and claw .. with my words ... but killing a doctor? That's just bleep insane. :/

2009-06-02 01:31:00 Author: Loius Posts: 342

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He's been gunned down before and his clinic has been bombed. Not very nice.

2009-06-02 02:53:00 Author: Arkei Posts: 1432

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I love men who think they can ban abortion. Man, I must say abortion doctors or whatever are pretty brave. There are tons of crazies out there who want to kill them. I wonder if those people know how overpopulated the world is? Eventually, the world is going to reach maximum capacity. There will be too many humans. And then disease will hit and most of us will die. And it will probably happen in twenty or thirty years or so. Such positivity that you possess!

2009-06-02 15:11:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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I honestly wonder why the hell I'm still part of the Catholic religion..... God preaches against hate but then people express it claiming it to be in his name..... Seriously, humanity could blow itself up for all I care.... As long as these idiots die and the true, thinking, logical humans such as us survive... I feel hate right now, but I'm not doing it for God, I'm doing it for all the lives that were claimed, are being claimed, and WILL be claimed by these idiots, who are now leaders of the world because most of the population is made up of idiots....

2009-06-02 16:45:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046

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Did this happen recently? Link? I've heard stories like this before, and yeah, they are pretty striking.

2009-06-02 17:12:00 Author: Morrinn3 Posts: 493

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I love religious politics.

2009-06-02 17:18:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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So I consider myself Spiritual not religious because... More people on this planet have lost their lives in the name of religion than for any other reason in history! It is great to have a belief, if that belief helps you to understand whats wrong and whats right. If you have belief in something and then turn around and 'choose' which beliefs you will ad-hear to...you have a serious ethical problem. As for the Pro-life issue... I have no right to tell any woman what to do with her body. The world everyday is becoming more and more over-crowded. I hear adoption is the answer for all these unwanted babies...and yet foster homes are overflowing with unwanted children. And yet we have people going to other countries to adopt kids...go figure! Late term abortions is another story...when is a life...a life? Not for debate here by me!

2009-06-02 17:28:00 Author: AJnKnox Posts: 518

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This is a very touchy topic, so we're going to be keeping a close eye on it - if for some reason the discussion goes "down the tubes", we'll have to lock it, so please keep things civil. Thanks.

2009-06-03 14:23:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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http://carnalnation.com/content/7628/3/tweets-hate-crazy-right-twitters-about-murder-dr-tiller and i didn't think my faith in mankind could go any lower.

2009-06-03 14:46:00 Author: Don Vhalt Posts: 2270

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My mum still makes me go to church, (catholic) but i'm scared. I'm northern irish, you see, and all the troubles between religions makes me just want to get out of there. I know i'm safe, but it's incidents like these that make me scared to be part of a religion. (i don't even concentrate at church, just play PSP or daydream, i find it boring)

2009-06-03 15:31:00 Author: MarkoWolfy Posts: 445

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My video of Bill Hicks was removed -__-' Oh well. I'm completely non-religious, I got baptised and that's as far as I ever got with Christianity. I'm not atheist though, I do hope there is a God, I cannot deny his/her/its existence because nobody knows for sure. I just don't like the fact that people take the Bible literally. When it comes to abortion though, guess what, it's up to personal choice. Just like smoking, drinking, euthanasia etc. You know, it's called logic. I'm not sure if many have been acquainted with this, hence why Pro-lifers murder doctors - AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!

2009-06-03 17:49:00 Author: KoRnDawwg Posts: 1424

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I finally think I understand why 'twitter' may be a bad idea... not everyone deserves a resounding voice. Thoughts of that nature are quite repugnant. Here's to hoping they continue entertaining their separate egos... and fail to notice it could be used as a tool to band together in one pitchfork wielding mass... of course, they'd all probably have to share that one pitchfork... but you get the idea.

2009-06-03 19:14:00 Author: Gravel Posts: 1308

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now of course, not all pro-life supporters are murderers like this guy...but still it makes you think. It shows what people are capable of when they believe in a cause whole-heartedly and blindly. Keeping an open mind is critical, even if you will never change your mind, you can't push your beliefs upon another person. Thats a pretty much a violation of human rights...Thats why personally i am pro-choice. I wouldn't want a future wife/girlfriend/girl to have an abortion. But i cant go around, forcing them to adhere to my beliefs. They have a right to choose, and either way, I (and we...) should accept that, happy about it or not. And korndawwg, "Oh well. I'm completely non-religious, I got baptised and that's as far as I ever got with Christianity. I'm not atheist though, I do hope there is a God, I cannot deny his/her/its existence because nobody knows for sure. I just don't like the fact that people take the Bible literally." If you want to discuss that kind of thing a little more, i do have a thread devoted to that kind of thing... and to morrin, it did happen very recently. Maybe only a week or two ago. It happened in Massachusettes. (home to the boston red sox, New England patriots, and the boston celtics.:hero: hooray for great boston sports...) anyway, it was very recent.

2009-06-04 02:32:00 Author: chiropractor345 Posts: 161

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My opinion: No one cares if you abort the baby, they will most likely hate you for letting a baby die, let it live, get with the flow. I don't care if this sort of woman has a right, it's not her choice to take a life away. Saying no to abortions isn't a belief, it was supposed to be a **** way of life since us animals have to give birth one way or another in the natural cycle. What kind of woman would even pick cutting her belly open and throwing a baby in a trash can then to give birth like what a normal woman should do. This controversy wouldn't have started if it wasn't for the moron(s) who started abortions. Does anyone know how abortions even started? Just a question... Ahh great timing, it just began to rain much more at midnight as I was posting this...

2009-06-04 05:11:00 Author: EchoEchoOneNine Posts: 61

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Does anyone know how abortions even started? Just a question... Ahh great timing, it just began to rain much more at midnight as I was posting this... Rats, lemmings, hamsters, mice, gerbils, prairie dogs, marmots, lions, butterflies, dolphins, baboons, gulls, and kangaroos kill their young, so it's not just humanity. Of course, that's equating abortion with infanticide, but meh. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Wild-Animals-705/Animals-kill-young.htm

2009-06-04 05:29:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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My opinion: No one cares if you abort the baby, they will most likely hate you for letting a baby die, let it live, get with the flow. I don't care if this sort of woman has a right, it's not her choice to take a life away. Saying no to abortions isn't a belief, it was supposed to be a **** way of life since us animals have to give birth one way or another in the natural cycle. What kind of woman would even pick cutting her belly open and throwing a baby in a trash can then to give birth like what a normal woman should do. This controversy wouldn't have started if it wasn't for the moron(s) who started abortions. Does anyone know how abortions even started? Just a question... Ahh great timing, it just began to rain much more at midnight as I was posting this... Aha, I was waiting for one of these guys to show up. Here we go again. (Cracks Knuckles) First of all, what is your definition of 'normal'? A normal woman, you say. Let's face it, normal is a word that can't be used logically. Normal is a word used to describe something that is (or the user of the word sees as) common in the world, but common isn't necessarily good. Same thing with weird, it's used to describe the opposite of normal, something the user of the word sees as uncommon and alien (In the term of the word synonymous with uncommon). But sometimes these things that are 'weird' don't necessarily have to be bad, do they? War is normal, it happens often, but is it good? In the Middle East, cutting off a robber's hand is normal. Now obviously, that's a cruel and unusual punishment. But that's the point I'm making; Normal is a user-sensitive word. What it means to one is not what it means to another. That argument has been nullified. Cycle of life? We through that idea out the window when we started evolving (Or a you a creationist?). With civilization has come a new world where 'it all boils down to the money', as my teacher says. It's true, and it sucks. Don't blame me for it. The human spirit is a powerful thing. No mother would abort their baby for teh lulz; They do it because they can't take care of them and know they'll both have miserable lives..... some pre-teen/ teen rape victims get abortions because their bodies aren't physically capable of childbirth.

2009-06-05 01:15:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046

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people do need to think of the repercussions of having that child before making abortions illegal. Sometimes, a women cannnot physically handle childbirth. In other cases, a teenage girl may become pregnant. If she desides to keep the baby, she would need to drop out of school to get a job to support the kid, maybe the father would to (depending on his involvement). THe parents would be miserable, the child would grow up in bad surroundings. And often times, the child would have been better off, for everyone, not being born. And like astrosimi said, women dont do it for teh lulz. it is a painful, long and hard decision for anyone who even thinks about it.

2009-06-05 04:05:00 Author: chiropractor345 Posts: 161

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Abortion is murder, as soon as the x comes into contact with the y(lawl) it is no longer the woman's body, it is now another body, those that say "she can do whatever she wants, it's her body." Are wrong in the fact that it is no longer just her body, there is another life inside of her, so it's technically murder, which is wrong. If you can't handle the baby you can always put the child into a orphanage, sure it's not the best thing for a child, but it sure beats killing the poor thing. On the other hand, if your body really can't handle giving birth, well then I seriously don't know, I don't think abortion is EVER the way to go, but you know...

2009-06-05 04:23:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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killing children sucks, but let them live and your helping the world become overpopulated, its a tough topic, especially tough if you gotta choose a side...

2009-06-05 04:31:00 Author: johnrulz77 Posts: 835

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killing children sucks, but let them live and your helping the world become overpopulated, its a tough topic, especially tough if you gotta choose a side... You don't have to. I personally think that nobody has the right to tell a woman (or anyone for that matter) what to do with their body, or with themselves. But of course you will always have a personal opinion about it, but it depends on the situation. I haven't known anyone who's had an abortion for the Hell of it, there always seems to be a reason, just depends how good it is.

2009-06-05 07:22:00 Author: KoRnDawwg Posts: 1424

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x comes into contact with the y(lawl) it is no longer the woman's body So, by implication it's OK to abort a femaile foetus (as it's the X coming into contact with an X)? More importantly, why is it a life at the point of conception? It is a single cell with a differing genetic code from the parents. It has no conciousness or personality, it is a single human cell with the potential to become a human. It may even become multiple humans. A sperm is a single cell, which is alive and has a differing genetic code to the father, which has the potential to become a human, should we treat each sperm on it's potential to become a child? No, we shouldn't. I appreciate the life begins at conception is a belief and moral stance and I do actually respect it, even if I don't agree with it. But it is not a solid fact, it is a subjective viewpoint. I really don't see why people have to come down so heavily on one side or the other on this. In any issue, if you are 100% on one side of the argument, you are probably wrong, very few things in life are that simple. As an analogy slightly away from the issue at hand: War is an abhorrent thing, but sometimes it is a necessary evil - WWII as an example. People who are anti-war under any circumstances are morons. As are people who are too keen to go to war on a whim. Everyone seems to think they have to be 100% on one side on the other on the abortion debate and everyone better **** well agree with them or be stygmatised. It's a complex issue that is way over simplified, especially in America (it seems). Abortion is never an easy choice and women don't go around "throwing babies in the trashcan" on a whim. That's provocative, emotive, manipulative phrase, bandied around by people who just want to push their own agendas and beliefs onto others. Even worse, it's not even your phrase - you've just repeated someone else's opinion parrot-fashion. If you can't argue your case without resorting to cheap, emotive, cliched and inaccurate catchphrases, I don't see why I should listen. It's not that I don't respect you or your opinion, I just have no respect for the way you express your opinion in a knee-jerk fashion without thought or consideration. It's a very difficult choice to make, but sometimes abortion is necessary or preferable for all involved. Denying a child the right to ever exist, against forcing them into a life where they might be unhappy, resented, living in poverty, severely disabled (physically or mentally) etc. etc. may well be a better option. In some cases. In my opinion. I also stand slightly against the "no-one has a right to tell a woman what to do with her body" stance as well. I think the father of the child should have some say. Not to the point he can force an abortion on a woman (this happened to a friend of mine last year and it was awful), but I wouldn't want a woman to abort my child without at least me being involved in the decision. As for the perpetrators of the murder, consider it as an act of vigilanteism here. A vigilante may well kill a murderer, to prevent further murders of innocents. The act is justified within the vigilate's mind as the lesser of two evils - one murder vs several murders is an easy choice to them. If you have the viewpoint that abortion is murder, and you have the right (wrong??) mindset to be a vigilante, then the logic of this murder is easy to see. Which is in no way condoning it, I'm just saying it is actually a very, very, easy mindset to understand. Because of the over-simplified, black and white morality involved in the issue.

2009-06-05 11:25:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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it's tricky to say if abortion is right or wrong. the problem is defining when life begins. i think that late-term abortions are wrong in all cases except when the mothers life is in danger or maybe if they were raped. earlier abortions are different because the fetus is less developed so it's kind of ok. but who is to say what is late/early? I completely disagree with the "worlds overpopulated so we should abort view point" because it's about benefiting humans by killing something, it's not that i think abortion is wrong but that is the wrong reason for saying it's right. i think abortion should be legal but that there should be more focus on birth control and orphanages/ adopting than abortion and that it should be discouraged and always the last option. Also the father should have a say in abortion. they shouldn't be able to force it but they shouldn't have their child killed without getting any say. @rtm223 i agree about the war thing. war is bad but sometimes it is a necessary evil. even ghandi said something like "if your choice is between cowardice and war, go to war". although some of the thing the allies did in WW2 were inexcusable (no where near as bad as the nazi's but still wrong.)

2009-06-05 16:18:00 Author: Don Vhalt Posts: 2270

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The Onion has a hilarious article on this: Christ Kills Two, Injures Seven In Abortion-Clinic Attack http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28817 In a more disturbing reaction, here's a selection of despicable tweets hailing the gunman as a hero: http://carnalnation.com/content/7628/3/tweets-hate-crazy-right-twitters-about-murder-dr-tiller OMG dude, that article is hilarious. Thank you for sharing that, I love the Onion

2009-06-05 16:50:00 Author: Hamsalad Posts: 2551

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"It's not natural!" This phrase, over used and harly ever understood, rings out far too often in arguments like this. Astrosimi brilliantly pointed out that these phrases and terms are absolutely meaningless and abstract when it comes to these moral discussions seeing as us humans can hardly be described as 'Normal' or 'Natural' any longer. Even besides the point, Abortion is completely natural. The female body often rejects a foetus if it is unable to carry it for some reason or another. These are referred to as Miscarries, and they are far more common than you may think. So, abortion is to be the woman's concious choice to miscarry, only now with the aid of the medical practice of abortion. The foetus is not a human being. At least not in the first trimester of pregnancy (0-12 weeks). It's just a cluster of cells.

2009-06-05 17:21:00 Author: Morrinn3 Posts: 493

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we could completely forgo the need for abortions if our nation (speaking about the US here, no experience elsewhere..) If we provided better education at a younger age we could avoid all of this. Topics such as this, or even easier topics such as preventitive education have been completely avoided. A taboo has established itself upon the topic and this helps noone. If we could educate people better, to help them make better decisions early on, than abortion cases would decline greatly.

2009-06-06 03:11:00 Author: chiropractor345 Posts: 161

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If parents would take responsibility for their children, abortions cases would decline greatly. :/ Which is what you were saying, partly, but I want to state that I firmly believe schools teaching -that-kind-of- -ed is taking things too far. Parents are supposed to be parents, not two old people you live with.

2009-06-06 03:22:00 Author: Loius Posts: 342

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As well, to add to my previous argument, I don't think we can define something as human when it doesn't have a consciousness; Babies don't start thinking until they're out of the womb. Yes, there are bodily processes going on, but then again, we're pretty much on the same boat with euthanizing people who are in a vegetative state, and people generally seem to accept that. Life is supported by the body, not contained within it; It's the brain, the mind that truly is the soul of the human life and when that's gone, or in this case, has yet to arrive, then we cannot characterize that as living, or life. Astrosimi brilliantly pointed out that these phrases and terms are absolutely meaningless and abstract when it comes to these moral discussions seeing as us humans can hardly be described as 'Normal' or 'Natural' any longer. Why thank you

2009-06-06 06:19:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046

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we could completely forgo the need for abortions if our nation (speaking about the US here, no experience elsewhere..) If we provided better education at a younger age we could avoid all of this. Topics such as this, or even easier topics such as preventitive education have been completely avoided. Sorry, but "completely forgo" is a little ambitious. Knowing about contraception etc etc from a young age doesn't stop accidental pregnancy. sexual education at a young age is pretty much par for the course in the UK, everyone knows about contraception way before they are gonna be having sex but people still end up pregnant by accident. Not to mention rapes and all the other reasons for abortions etc etc. Luckily we also don't have such a heated debate on abortion here either, there are people opposed but there is a lot more acceptance of others' views. Oh, and we don't let the crazies run around with guns, which always helps

2009-06-06 10:19:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Sorry if I'm cutting into something, but has anybody noticed the, "Vote Pro-Life" adverts on this site? I mean, seriously, what the hell?

2009-06-06 20:48:00 Author: KoRnDawwg Posts: 1424

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