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I know this has happened to other people but it has just happened to me and it hurts. A couple of months ago i made a set of teleport pods, I don't claim to be the inventor of the concept but i made these pods from scratch with some pretty complex logic gates to control them the pods have opening and closing doors and work both backwards and forwards. There was no level you simply start, i show off the pods you can play with them and move on, then i show you the same pods with all the sensors and logic gates displayed. i give them away as a prize and you finish the level. If some one pasted them into there level and used them i would have been proud even if they didnt credit it would have just been cool to see them some where else. but this is what ****** me off.... anyway i log into lbp for the first time in a month have a look at my levels to see the plays and the comments when i see this from KernelM KernelM: "great teleport pods where have i seen them before" KernelM: "oh yeah in my level" so i go to his levels and find a crappy atempt at teleporting. the next level he has made has my teleport pods gives people the impression he has made them and he has commented that he has made them no longer shareable cause people have been taking credit for them. next i take the prize he gives away (my creation) and have a look at the creator tags it says created by KernelM then underneath it says contributor XVS1100 which i guess is proof i made them. like i said i wasn't looking for credit or fame and fortune... what has made me angry is that he claims to be the creator and accuses me of stealing his creation whe in fact it was the other way around. Rant complete.

2009-05-20 05:46:00 Author: XVS1100 Posts: 59

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that sucks. nothing you can do about it, but it still sucks

2009-05-20 05:53:00 Author: RickTheRipper Posts: 345

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Yeah, sadly, ther are that kind of people in the community, which really sucks... that's why i either only give stuff to firends, or hide them in my level where you have to doo too much stuff to get them, anyone able to get them shouldn't be some random guy just trying to steal them. Still, sadly its because of people like that that good creations aren't given away so often and that levels (exept for really bad ones) aren't copyable, those people kill the share concept of the game. A shame trully...

2009-05-20 06:04:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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Yeah, sadly, ther are that kind of people in the community, which really sucks... --- Still, sadly its because of people like that that good creations aren't given away so often and that levels (exept for really bad ones) aren't copyable, those people kill the share concept of the game. A shame trully... well said, silverleon

2009-05-20 06:16:00 Author: gofurr360z Posts: 886

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Those H4H-ing bast....

2009-05-20 06:45:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173

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I feel for you man, not that I know anything about this, since I've only created one level. But I still feel for you, I know how complex the logic has to be behind a teleport pods and to see all your work being stolen must suck indeed.

2009-05-20 06:49:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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Tho now that i think about it, there could be a chance of you being the theif and the oter one the one who got the project stolen from... Not saying that you are, just that that possibility exist since its almost imposiblr for an outside party that doesn't know you to know what actually happened.

2009-05-20 06:51:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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I've had like 30 people steal ideas from my Cause And Effect levels. Well, I've heard that imitation is the sincerest form of flattering... If so then why does it **** me off?

2009-05-20 07:26:00 Author: TripleTremelo Posts: 490

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Indeed. These people are really annoying. A really good fix for this would be MM slapping a big, red text on the object saying "THIS IS NOT MINE ITS *insert original creators name here*" yeah, that would really tick those thieves off. I've had like 30 people steal ideas from my Cause And Effect levels. Well, I've heard that imitation is the sincerest form of flattering... If so then why does it **** me off? I'm pretty sure they copy it as a tribute to yours or something, I remember seeing one copy but on the description it had "TripleTremelo's idea, not mine!" or something like that.

2009-05-20 08:18:00 Author: AwesomePossum Posts: 446

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Tho now that i think about it, there could be a chance of you being the theif and the oter one the one who got the project stolen from... Not saying that you are, just that that possibility exist since its almost imposiblr for an outside party that doesn't know you to know what actually happened. As i said before... next i take the prize he gives away (my creation) and have a look at the creator tags it says created by KernelM then underneath it says contributor XVS1100 which i guess is proof i made them. which anyone can check for themselves plus coments on my level are a month old, his the oldest is 2 weeks

2009-05-20 08:21:00 Author: XVS1100 Posts: 59

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Hmm, as someone who's had work 'stolen' in the recent past, I feel for you if KernelM has indeed copied your work and described it as his own. Fortunately, or unfortunately, this KernelM is on my friends list at the moment, so I'll approach him about it.

2009-05-20 08:45:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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As i said before... which anyone can check for themselves plus coments on my level are a month old, his the oldest is 2 weeks And i repeat, I never said that wsa the case, just that it might be a possibility. In other words, there's a chance of it being true, but i'm not saying it is.

2009-05-20 08:55:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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I feel your pain, XVS. I've been making levels for a while now, and I wanted to make every level I make to be copyable, so people could play around with them. Last week I was informed that someone had copied my level "A Gert Big Green 'Un" and re-published it as their own. I checked and the little ******* had done just that. He'd copied the whole level and not changed a thing. Taking credibility for all my hard work. It's a real shame but I've now stopped making my levels copyable as I don't want this happening again. If he had changed just a few parts, I wouldn't have minded so much. We need some way of marking what we make so that even if things are copied, our names are still attached. How about it MM? Help us protect the stuff we make.

2009-05-20 10:22:00 Author: Frogmeister Posts: 236

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I never make any of my levels copyable. Not that there's anything worth copying, sadly.... Sorry about your situation.

2009-05-20 12:03:00 Author: Sackdragon Posts: 427

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I know this has happened to other people but it has just happened to me and it hurts. A couple of months ago i made a set of teleport pods, I don't claim to be the inventor of the concept but i made these pods from scratch with some pretty complex logic gates to control them the pods have opening and closing doors and work both backwards and forwards. There was no level you simply start, i show off the pods you can play with them and move on, then i show you the same pods with all the sensors and logic gates displayed. i give them away as a prize and you finish the level. If some one pasted them into there level and used them i would have been proud even if they didnt credit it would have just been cool to see them some where else. but this is what ****** me off.... anyway i log into lbp for the first time in a month have a look at my levels to see the plays and the comments when i see this from KernelM KernelM: "great teleport pods where have i seen them before" KernelM: "oh yeah in my level" so i go to his levels and find a crappy atempt at teleporting. the next level he has made has my teleport pods gives people the impression he has made them and he has commented that he has made them no longer shareable cause people have been taking credit for them. next i take the prize he gives away (my creation) and have a look at the creator tags it says created by KernelM then underneath it says contributor XVS1100 which i guess is proof i made them. like i said i wasn't looking for credit or fame and fortune... what has made me angry is that he claims to be the creator and accuses me of stealing his creation whe in fact it was the other way around. Rant complete. Wow this happened to me before, but in a horrible way. I had a friend who copied most of the costumes I wore and even the pod & claimed that I was a biter. I ended up deleting his pod & removing him since he wouldn't stop copying me & the stuff I had. It's not actually as bad as what happened to you, but this proves how some people in the LBP Community can be complete ********, even your friends...Not meaning friends who you currently play with, I mean the people who are like my FORMER friend. Sorry for my language.

2009-05-20 12:40:00 Author: EchoEchoOneNine Posts: 61

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it is amazing how people can be so bare faced about it. you'd think they'd be embarrassed about being caught but they seem to get more aggressive in that case. i'd hate to think what kind of person they are in every day life.

2009-05-20 12:50:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096

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What gets me is that if he hadn't left comments that i ripped him off i would have never ever known. It was like he wanted to rub it in my face. We need some way of marking what we make so that even if things are copied, our names are still attached. How about it MM? Help us protect the stuff we make. there is, as i have stated when i opened the prize in my community objects my name is on the object as a contributer. so i dont know how he intends to get away with it. I'd really like it if someone goes to his level wins the prize and confirms this for me. Also what satisfaction would someone get from this? for me i dont even use other peoples logic switches i may study them dissect them and build my own based on what i have learned but that is very satisfying for me and i also make a great effort to maintain while the concept is the same i try to improve it or make it unique to me with my style of creation. Fortunately, or unfortunately, this KernelM is on my friends list at the moment, so I'll approach him about it. please post back his response, and ask if he made it why is my name on the object as a contributer? I will still publish everything as shareable and copyable cause i want to see people learn from my techniques and even use my objects even if there is no credit... but passing it off as your own work is poor form.

2009-05-20 14:17:00 Author: XVS1100 Posts: 59

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I'm pretty sure they copy it as a tribute to yours or something, I remember seeing one copy but on the description it had "TripleTremelo's idea, not mine!" or something like that. Yeah, maybe a couple. One person has 'Inspired by TT' which is barely a credit, plus they denied it at first, until multiple people called them out. I really don't care anymore though, I'm over it.

2009-05-20 14:23:00 Author: TripleTremelo Posts: 490

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First off, nice teleporter... Haven't been able to get those spawned active checkpoints to work yet. Just had a look. That sucks. He used your pods and built his own exact copy of the logic box His in cardboard, yours being wood. You don't get any contributor credit on his logic box. I'd be really annoyed if i got his comments too. I had stuff accidentally given away. Haven't seen it used yet though. I built a level using tjb0607's storage blocks and published it as locked. It wasn't locked when it went up though. got 2 plays before i caught it. Had working stargates and other things for my 'lvl in progress'. Edit: I just found out how my storage level was played thanks to Killian. Locked levels can be unlocked for quickplays.

2009-05-20 16:28:00 Author: Chicago51 Posts: 258

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We've got a couple different issues going on in this thread but essentially it all boils down to one thing... "What did you expect to happen differently?" If you make something copyable, which is an indisputable gracious gift to the community at large--(I would not understand logic gates half as much... or player following devices... without such generosity) it becomes just that, A GIFT! You've relinquished control over said item. Story over (that is what makes you truly special...) It should please you to know end to see others using your devices in service to the community. Your 'crowning achievement' should be to see (your) invention come back to you, possibly and hopefully in ways you never foresaw. If in fact it comes back to you unchanged, uncredited, so be it. Shame on the creator who does this but shame too on the creator who plays the 'indian-giving martyr'. Mm doesn't need to change a thing. It is not their responsibility. There's a created by tag, and, if it means so much or little to you... act accordingly and stand by your decisions or learn from your mistakes. As for 'imitation' being a 'sincere' form of 'flattery'... Well, it's true! As long as the imitation is sincere... Kudos to you for creating something so cool that others feel the need to emulate... It is a compliment. Also, you must understand ideas are not proprietary. I believe in the cosmic consciousness... in that once one person conceives of an idea... it's out there, and others' may pluck your dream right out from under your nose... so act quickly and diligently. I've already seen things that I thought were so unique and me... turn up in unsuspecting places... it's very odd. Finally, there's thievery or out right emulation. In this case it is important for the creator who is following footsteps, to put a name to those footsteps in thanks. This is just Ethics 101 gadders. In the case of "Cause 'n' Effects" levels... something inspired you, that you are emulating... You had to expect someone would follow your lead. It is the natural course of things. You, however should be credited, as "inspired by" or some such note. There's nothing wrong with that... and one day, someone will eventually out do you at your own game! And this in turn should 'inspire' you to push further and harder. It is at that point and time when then you should credit the party responsible for making you a better creator. We are all neighbors on a little big planet. It is up to us what we make of it with our actions-- no matter how grand or small.

2009-05-20 17:10:00 Author: Gravel Posts: 1308

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You must have missed the part where the topic creator said he didn't care if people used it or even copied it, but that this particular person was going out of his way to say that he created the concept. I think that's reason enough to feel irked =P

2009-05-20 18:03:00 Author: CowTip Posts: 22

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I definately think it's natural for people to want credit for their creations, and if you're dealing with a "commercial endeavor" you can, at least, do a copyright. LBP is filled with not only great levels and creators, but also with untalented people who also want attention, and will do anything to get it. (so.... H4H, Trophy levels, Ramp levels, bomb levels....) My personal feeling is that if you create something that is unique, and want to keep control over it... and it bothers you that others may try to take the idea as their own... don't give the stuff away. You can, maybe, give members of this site who you trust a key into a lock level so you can control WHO gets it. In all honesty, most good creators want their creations to be their own anyway, which means they aren't going to use your object.... they are going to be inspired by it, but will probably create their own. Which means many who use your object are not the talented creators, and therefore are going to attempt to get attention any way they can - even by passing your work off as their own.

2009-05-20 18:53:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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You've missed the point Gravel. While I agree with all the points you make, remember that XVS1100 was contacted and accused of stealing something that he/she created. This is not flattery, it's barefaced rudeness. And in my case, there are now 2 copies of the level I made, one with someone elses name as creator, and mine. Why should someone else take credit for my hard work? I could have had the extra plays - it may have bumped my rating a bit. Yes I know it's my fault for making it copyable but at least ATTEMPT to change just one little thing or else it's nothing more than plagiarism. The people on this forum have been very helpful by playing the copied level and leaving comments saying it's bad form to publish someone elses stuff as your own. I think this is a great way to bring such naughtiness to other peoples attention and is exactly what I shall do to help out XVS.

2009-05-20 19:27:00 Author: Frogmeister Posts: 236

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@XVS1100 As promised, I've done some checking, and it looks like KernelM is suggesting that he produced his teleport level in the LBP Beta, albeit slightly differently. (That's what he says, by the way, not what I believe, nor can prove!). I have your teleport pods now in my inventory. I added a sticker to one of the pods, saved it, and now I am credited as being creator of your pods. Like I say, I do not know whether KernelM is telling the truth, but what I can state is that I have produced objects for my friends, and when they have used them in their levels it says 'Created by: My friend', and Contributed by: MrsSpookyBuz. The last person to save an object in a level is always credited as the creator, but people who may have ORIGINALLY made it are credited as contributors. KernelM is no longer on my friends list, but for more reasons than just this! As for the rest of this debate, people will always be inspired by others. Who was it who said there's never an original thought anymore? I'm inspired every time I play a level by mdaj, johnee, wexfordian, jaeyden etc etc but i feel there's a big difference between inspiration and blatent copying. In fact, just played Scientific Island 4 by biddle666. It's a brilliant level, but my good friend mdaj was very pleased that biddle666 had at least given credit to him for inspiration! Sorry for the long post!

2009-05-20 20:29:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492

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You've missed the point Gravel. While I agree with all the points you make, remember that XVS1100 was contacted and accused of stealing something that he/she created. This is not flattery, it's barefaced rudeness. And in my case, there are now 2 copies of the level I made, one with someone elses name as creator, and mine. Why should someone else take credit for my hard work? I could have had the extra plays - it may have bumped my rating a bit. Yes I know it's my fault for making it copyable but at least ATTEMPT to change just one little thing or else it's nothing more than plagiarism. The people on this forum have been very helpful by playing the copied level and leaving comments saying it's bad form to publish someone elses stuff as your own. I think this is a great way to bring such naughtiness to other peoples attention and is exactly what I shall do to help out XVS. I hear what your saying and couldn't agree more... (please pm/friend me and I too will do what I can) but, the point remains the same from my initial title; What different outcome could you possibly expect? Unfortunately, it takes all kinds in the real world... we've got a nice close-knit group here... but in general... it was bound to happen, and happen again. It's not that I'm unfeeling or unsympathetic... I was just blatantly direct so perhaps we'll all be educated on what to expect (and then I tried to offer some realistic guidelines on how one should be expected to behave on LBP). I think it is a fine statement on Ethics. Listen, we've got it easy (H4h'ers and conceptual theft)... LBP is attracting a lot of attention b/c it's the "next big thing" and a real lift to the PS3... but, it really isn't an attractive offering to a whole cross-section of gamers who would really cause the community trouble. LBP has been my least offensive 'on-line' experience to date! And, if I can risk being optimistic for a moment, (without putting words in peoples' mouths) I think I've made a few friends and some great acquaintances. Finally, if I can be of service to anyone in this community with a just cause, (assuming I don't offer-- that is), all they have to do is ask.

2009-05-20 20:30:00 Author: Gravel Posts: 1308

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Stealing is illegal. He should get blammed from lbp.

2009-05-20 20:35:00 Author: MarkoWolfy Posts: 445

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Those H4H-ing bast.... ...ards? Yes, indeed they are! I feel your pain. A few of my enemies were taken and used for a really, really **** level made by a french dude who even had the guts to then send me a friend invitation. Yeah! But you know, I came up with a good solution to all of this stealing nonsense, it may not be the most popular idea ever but still...What if...Hear me out...We construct a large, public execution chamber...

2009-05-20 20:42:00 Author: KoRnDawwg Posts: 1424

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You're right, of course, Gravel. If we publish something thats free or copyable (by accident or design) then we should almost expect it to be used or abused. It's just that it's a tough lesson to learn. I've had an idea though. How about using your PSN as part of the level design. Imagine a huge building in a level and when you zoom out the girders or beams spell out your PSN id. Or the boss you made has your PSN cut out of part of his body. This way people could re-use the item but you'd rest assured that no matter what they did, your name's still a part of it.

2009-05-20 21:02:00 Author: Frogmeister Posts: 236

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Ouch, total kick in the nuts. Kinda stupid how he's saying you stole them. Anyone who uses them will see it's your creation though, on the bright side. These are the sort of H4H, please.hrt.my.lvl. annoying spammers

2009-05-20 21:31:00 Author: Coxy224 Posts: 2645

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Just had a look. That sucks. He used your pods and built his own exact copy of the logic box His in cardboard, yours being wood. You don't get any contributor credit on his logic box. i don't think he even did that it looked to me like he got the material change tool and just did exactly that.... every thing right down to the timing and speed of motors and pistons is identicle. even if he stole them published it as his own, told people he made them during beta testing, whatever..... it was the comments left on my original creation that made my jaw drop and got me so angry.

2009-05-20 23:04:00 Author: XVS1100 Posts: 59

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GOOD NEWS! KernelM has changed his level! he is still clearly using my logic controls but has replaced the pods with some knocked up rubbish clearly of his ability and skill level. I would like to thank Chicago51 Who clearly had something to do with this based on the deleted comments left on KernelM's level and the sudden change in attitude and to his level. Balance has been returned to the universe! Once again i dont care about what he did... but that he rubbed it in my face and i was almost powerless"

2009-05-20 23:31:00 Author: XVS1100 Posts: 59

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vindication!!

2009-05-21 00:28:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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I don't give anything away anymore. I just saw my simple little grenade volleys from Contra: Snowfield being used in the most retarded Snowfield level yesterday by Nethuras. They weren't even set to be used properly either. It was such a bad level though, I couldn't help but laugh and shrug it off.... what did annoy me was that it had a better rating than my original level lol

2009-05-21 02:59:00 Author: Unknown User

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What the?! People like that get me so angry! How can you take credit for someone else's work . That is exactly why I don't make my levels copyable and don't make my objects collectable (not that I have any really good objects anyway.)

2009-05-21 03:29:00 Author: brnxblze Posts: 1318

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Congratz on getting the issue solved. But felt i needed to give my 2 cents on teh topic ;p Item/level piracy is probably my BIGGEST annoyance about LBP. If i ever see a stolen item/level that isn't credited, i make sure to leave a choice comment or two ;p Of course, this doesn't always land me in the smartest of places (like the time i thought someone was stealing NinjaMicWZ's first boss rush entry, and it turned out it was an alternate account of his XD) but I do it just the same. The fact is though, if you give out an item, someone will end up using it somewhere =/ So make sure that anything you give away is either A) something you don't care if someone else uses, or B) make it so the objects aren't sharable- they can use it as much as they like, but they can never give it away, and you can always prove

2009-05-21 03:35:00 Author: Burnvictim42 Posts: 3322

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I am happy, very happy, you found some form of resolution. As you say, order is once again restored.

2009-05-21 03:54:00 Author: Gravel Posts: 1308

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What if set the item to not sharable? How does that affect the whole created by, contributed by scenario. I stopped giving away prizes a long time ago, I hate them in levels personally. I hav'nt actually seen any of my creations anywhere actually. Maybe my prizes were totally rubbish.

2009-05-21 07:29:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754

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If its not sharable, you can't give it out again in a prize bubble. So, you can collect the object, but it has a big lock on it- and If you recapture any part of the original item, you won't be able to give it away in any way. This prevents people from making a system and claiming its theirs and giving it away. People can ask all they want for the item, but they won't be able to get it, except from the original creator.

2009-05-21 08:40:00 Author: Burnvictim42 Posts: 3322

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Meh, ideas are a dime a dozen. If you are bothered by it, I suggest you focus on changing patent laws and enlightening old, conservative folks living in Marshall, Texas.

2009-05-21 16:25:00 Author: snowflakecat Posts: 102

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Peace has been restored to the little big* galaxy!! * Sorry about that, seriously

2009-05-21 20:26:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173

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Glad I could help... Didn't know he changed it. . . .

2009-05-21 23:23:00 Author: Chicago51 Posts: 258

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GODS SAKE, We've sorted this out, I copied ur Pods but not the Teleport! I had my own Mechanism before CYBER BULLYING made me permanently delete it, I didn't get the pods off ur level by the way, And i made my own Mechanism, Which is alot simpler that urs, u've really taken this too far XVS it is amazing how people can be so bare faced about it. you'd think they'd be embarrassed about being caught but they seem to get more aggressive in that case. i'd hate to think what kind of person they are in every day life. erm i am a nice person i real life, I got angry because he SPAMMED my comments, Thank you very much If its not sharable, you can't give it out again in a prize bubble. So, you can collect the object, but it has a big lock on it- and If you recapture any part of the original item, you won't be able to give it away in any way. This prevents people from making a system and claiming its theirs and giving it away. People can ask all they want for the item, but they won't be able to get it, except from the original creator. And i didn't get it off his level, I am happy, very happy, you found some form of resolution. As you say, order is once again restored. No offence but order isn't restored, he attacks me, But not the 5 others who are claiming credit for it, im sorry, I have tryed messaging you so we can sort this out in private Right, I have deleted my levels, Is that me saying sorry, i did none of this for hearts, or plays, i am not a H4Hing "Bas..." as i hate H4Hing, I am not an evil person, and do not like people spamming me, I changed my pods not For XVS1100 but for another friend who suggested i do so, I was Very Stupid in copying, But not using, His design, Im sorry if i offended anyone, but i will never do anything like this again, My Teleports are not Cruddy knock ups, They were created quickly, as not to Provoke "him" You can have a go at me however much you want, But i have said i am sorry and wont do anything like this again, I wasn't angry, i was scared, i got into an argument that never should of happened, And i am SO SORRY XVS1100 GOOD NEWS! KernelM has changed his level! he is still clearly using my logic controls but has replaced the pods with some knocked up rubbish clearly of his ability and skill level. I would like to thank Chicago51 Who clearly had something to do with this based on the deleted comments left on KernelM's level and the sudden change in attitude and to his level. Balance has been returned to the universe! Once again i dont care about what he did... but that he rubbed it in my face and i was almost powerless" Yeah, sadly, ther are that kind of people in the community, which really sucks... that's why i either only give stuff to firends, or hide them in my level where you have to doo too much stuff to get them, anyone able to get them shouldn't be some random guy just trying to steal them. Still, sadly its because of people like that that good creations aren't given away so often and that levels (exept for really bad ones) aren't copyable, those people kill the share concept of the game. A shame trully... Those H4H-ing bast.... Tho now that i think about it, there could be a chance of you being the theif and the oter one the one who got the project stolen from... Not saying that you are, just that that possibility exist since its almost imposiblr for an outside party that doesn't know you to know what actually happened. Thank you for this, But because of this Thread i have been forced to delete my level Hmm, as someone who's had work 'stolen' in the recent past, I feel for you if KernelM has indeed copied your work and described it as his own. Fortunately, or unfortunately, this KernelM is on my friends list at the moment, so I'll approach him about it. Spooky? how can you believe him? I haven't copied him!

2009-05-22 10:21:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078

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I'm going to lock this. It has become too aggressive. If you have something you wish to resolve then use private messages, or by other means unrelated to LBPCentral.

2009-05-22 10:46:00 Author: Killian Posts: 2575

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