Archive: 29 posts

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I hate em. I really do... Is one trophy really worth destroying the whole game?

2009-04-06 20:16:00 Author: blizzard_cool Posts: 752

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I'm not sure I really hate them. Many of them are little kids. Little kids aren't really "cooked" yet. The fact is, being involved with LittleBigPlanet means you are dealing with all age groups with all maturity levels. If you want some really interesting insight as to who is REALLY playing your levels, pick up a copy of the March issue of Playstation magazine and read the LittleBigPlanet article. The writer sits down and plays LBP with a ten-year-old and watches the behavior. The 10 year old NEVER gives ratings above 3 stars, criticizes everything he plays, and his favorite levels are the trophy and prize bubble levels. He ends by saying something like "the boy criticized the level as we exited the game and gave it 3 stars. He says it isn't any good, but I can tell from the grin on his face he doesn't really mean it". THAT'S the mentality you're dealing with. You can't use your own level of wisdom and understanding as a barometer for them.

2009-04-06 20:30:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Now this is the most pointless thread. Prepare to be bombarded with hundreds of "I hate H4Hers!" "Hate 4 Heart 4 Hearts!" "The Cancer of LBP" posts. On a serious note, I hate H4Hers! I say, Hate 4 Heart 4 Hearts! They are the Cancer of LBP!

2009-04-06 20:30:00 Author: dawesbr Posts: 3280

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They simply are a consequence of ATROCIOUS TROPHY DESIGN. I blame Media Molecule all the way. .

2009-04-06 20:36:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Is that a rhetorical question? -_-

2009-04-06 20:43:00 Author: Pinchanzee Posts: 805

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H4H? http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=363&pictureid=3087 KoRn is not amused.

2009-04-06 20:45:00 Author: KoRnDawwg Posts: 1424

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They simply are a consequence of ATROCIOUS TROPHY DESIGN. I blame Media Molecule all the way. . Yeah, I agree. MM shouldn't have put it's trust in people spending hours on something to get a trophy. Those people spent 60 dollars on the game, and to have a gold and platibnum just there... well, for those people, they don't like it. Many just don't even realize they are ruining the game... or don't care. ... Um... anyway, my point is thus: It IS Media Molecule's fault for making those trophies like such. Don't just blame the people trying to get the most out of a game they don't like that much, blame people who weren't thinking about a trophy's effects.

2009-04-06 20:46:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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While I'm not disagreeing that the Create Trophy is at the heart of it, youtube has something similar without any reward. Subscription for Subscription baffles me because youtube is just a place to put files, it's not a competition or anything. I think some of that mentality of 'you must be the top at any cost' has spilt over to LBP. I bet some of these H4H'ers don't stop after they get their trophy, they just want to boast even though I can just click on your name and see your only level is blue with lines going across and H4H as a name.

2009-04-06 21:15:00 Author: Shermzor Posts: 1330

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I wouldn't mind them if they just grouped together and hearted each other instead of spamming on my levels...

2009-04-06 21:33:00 Author: Killian Posts: 2575

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I just ignore them.

2009-04-06 21:48:00 Author: mrsupercomputer Posts: 1335

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Play_my_xmen_and_warhawk_lvls_plz.

2009-04-06 21:49:00 Author: Jaeyden Posts: 564

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You know.... it's a little sad. In the case of trophies and achievements (xbox360...) virtually all of them are individually attainable. The problem with the specific trophies in question in LBP is that they pertain to artistic and technical knowledge - which MOST children have not acquired yet. LBP is played by tons of kids who are frustrated because they have this carrot dangled in front of them that they really have no legitimate way of achieving. That's why this whole problem exists. I actually had a little PSN message chat with one of them the other day... nice kid, just wanted the trophy. In fact, he was very polite and respectful. Not all are, but I get the feeling a lot of kids see everyone else doing it and really have no idea it's a problem. How is a young child supposed to compete with some of us with many years experience? No... I don't hate them. I try to understand where they're coming from and figure they generally aren't hurting me - just creating a little annoyance, as some kids do....

2009-04-07 00:57:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Don't really care for them but agree with what se?or Cubbage said. I think its a really bad idea to utilize a trophy reward that cannot be gained without mass support of other users.

2009-04-07 01:12:00 Author: Morrinn3 Posts: 493

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You know.... it's a little sad. In the case of trophies and achievements (xbox360...) virtually all of them are individually attainable. The problem with the specific trophies in question in LBP is that they pertain to artistic and technical knowledge - which MOST children have not acquired yet. LBP is played by tons of kids who are frustrated because they have this carrot dangled in front of them that they really have no legitimate way of achieving. That's why this whole problem exists. I actually had a little PSN message chat with one of them the other day... nice kid, just wanted the trophy. In fact, he was very polite and respectful. Not all are, but I get the feeling a lot of kids see everyone else doing it and really have no idea it's a problem. How is a young child supposed to compete with some of us with many years experience? No... I don't hate them. I try to understand where they're coming from and figure they generally aren't hurting me - just creating a little annoyance, as some kids do.... He pretty much said it. That said, not ALL H4Hers are bad level designers. At a trophy site I'm a mod at, there was this guy who H4Hed. However, he was a cool guy- most people there are, they just don't like LBP that much but still need that trophy. anyway, that guy was in like his 20s, and actually was a REALLY good level creator. not the best, of course, but still, he managed to make a fairly awesome dragon level and then a good Metroid level. Not the best, but still, he was a fairly good creator. However, for some reason, he felt the need to H4H. LBP was the only game he ever even had trophies for, but... i just don't understand, he was a good creator who could have gone somewhere, but for some reason he felt the urge to H4H even though LBP is the only game he even plays :/ I dunno, that's just always bugged me. But yeah, MM made a big mistake with making Create Trophy :/.

2009-04-07 01:19:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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For me personally, I'm actually glad the 'create' trophies are in the game - Crowd Pleaser, Feel the Love, etc. When I created my first (and so far, only, level) it was so satisfying to see the play count slowly increase and to hear the trophy ding as I reached those milestones (reach 5 plays, reach 50 plays, receive 10 hearts, receive 5 player hearts etc.). And still the Create trophy gives me something to work towards. I know I probably won't get it any time soon, but I look forward to the day when I finally reach it. For me there's no reason to rush out and acquire it as quickly as possible, because after that happens I suppose it will feel like a hollow victory and I'll be robbed on the satisfaction of reaching that goal on the basis of my own merit as a creator. Having said that, I think that perhaps MM underestimated the creative drive of its audience, and believed that allocating trophies to things like 'publish your first level' and 'leave a comment on a community level' would help to get people participating in the community. Instead all it has led to is endless amounts of spam, which is sad because the really great creators would have been involved in the community regardless, only without the fear of being drowned by the din of trophy hunters.

2009-04-07 01:59:00 Author: CheesyMcFly Posts: 211

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Simply put, yeah, they're awful. When I first published my level I just got tons of "H4H" and "play my level" comments instead of comments on what I should improve or even just saying whether it was good or not.

2009-04-07 02:02:00 Author: Arkei Posts: 1432

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I've just figured out something, this isn't Mm's fault OR the players fault,, This is Dave's fault! all of LBP problem's are Dave's fault!

2009-04-07 02:50:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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I say.. Blaim the parents They shouldve stopped drinking when they got pregnant

2009-04-08 14:26:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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whenever i find a h4h level, i fill its photo slots with a "level sux" image. it won't do anything to stop this plague but it keeps me entertained for a few minutes.

2009-04-08 14:51:00 Author: RickTheRipper Posts: 345

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whenever i find a h4h level, i fill its photo slots with a "level sux" image. it won't do anything to stop this plague but it keeps me entertained for a few minutes. Yeah I wondered who put those pictures there I do the same thing to levels which steal ideas from other people. Just plonk down a LBPC sticker and put something like 'Rox your sox' or 'Pwnage in a can' and I also put who made the original idea if I find the name. Edit: Whoops typed this in a rush. I do the same thing in levels which steal ideas from other people I put who made the original idea if I find the name. If I play on a level by someone on LBPC I just plonk down a LBPC sticker and put something like 'Rox your sox' or 'Pwnage in a can'.

2009-04-08 15:28:00 Author: Shermzor Posts: 1330

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pls.play.my.lvl.i/spnt.alot.of.time.on.it.h4h.u.wont.be.disponted

2009-04-08 15:45:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291

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You shouldn't do stupid things and link this forum with them. It really is ridiculous and would NOT help our community. You can go do your roxxor h3rdc0r lulz suxx anywhere you want but leave this forum alone. .

2009-04-08 15:47:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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H4H ppl are ppl who cant put enough effort and is too lazy to make decent or great levels, so instead they must put out levels for the exchange of hearts instead.

2009-04-08 16:21:00 Author: RipTlde Posts: 151

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I'm just not sure this discussion can be positive or constructive. The truth is, a LOT of kids play LBP and want to have fun with it, and want trophies and some recognition - including my 7-year-old son. I honestly think having animosity toward these H4H people is showing immaturity. The vast majority of these are kids, and you're sharing your LittleBigPlanet community with them. They are also the ones that, if they like your level, are giving it plays and hearts. I know dealing with people over the internet it's hard to put a face and a profile on them so you can have a balanced view, but at least give them the benefit of the doubt that they aren't malicious. I just don't think you can have a proper community without having a mix of kids, teens, and adults participating, and it's fairly easy just to smile and ignore them instead of reacting.

2009-04-08 18:08:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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The number of players on LBP is dwindling. The Create trophy is becoming harder and harder to get. If you do a search on the most hearted levels, you'll see that a lot of them aren't really anything special, yet they have +30k hearts. I'm not really creative myself so I have given thought to doing H4H. I have published an unfinished level and it reached around 30 plays and 1 heart, then it just stopped there. How do I get my level to be noticed when everything on the first page of community levels are stunning and well created. How am I supposed to compete with that.

2009-04-08 18:47:00 Author: unnamed Posts: 1

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It's annoying, but as long as the cool pages are reasonably designed so that H4H levels don't get on them, I can ignore them.

2009-04-08 18:59:00 Author: Walter-Kovacs Posts: 542

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The number of players on LBP is dwindling. The Create trophy is becoming harder and harder to get. If you do a search on the most hearted levels, you'll see that a lot of them aren't really anything special, yet they have +30k hearts. I'm not really creative myself so I have given thought to doing H4H. I have published an unfinished level and it reached around 30 plays and 1 heart, then it just stopped there. How do I get my level to be noticed when everything on the first page of community levels are stunning and well created. How am I supposed to compete with that. You need to do small improvements to your level and republish it. Every time you republish after slightly changing your level it briefly goes back into cool pages and gets some more plays. If you get decent ratings and hearts, after maybe a couple hundred it will become cemented into cool pages and start moving up. It honestly is not hard to get recognition for a level, but you're right - many of the levels are well designed, but to tell you the truth, my simplest design is currently my most popular level (Tiger Woods Mini Golf on page 1 right now). If you have a good idea and people like it, there is a pretty good chance right now it can go pretty far on cool levels. However, if you can't really create very well.... do you really NEED to creator trophy? Also, I have a hard time believing the players on LBP are dwindling when I see it in the #2 highest selling game for March and hundreds of thousands of levels getting plays in the last several days. Your level may seem to get fewer plays because there are so many published levels now. Additional advice - become a member here with an actual name, put your level on the showcase, and let us help you to figure out what you can do to make it better. That's what I'm here for.

2009-04-08 19:04:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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The number of players on LBP is dwindling. The Create trophy is becoming harder and harder to get. If you do a search on the most hearted levels, you'll see that a lot of them aren't really anything special, yet they have +30k hearts. I'm not really creative myself so I have given thought to doing H4H. I have published an unfinished level and it reached around 30 plays and 1 heart, then it just stopped there. How do I get my level to be noticed when everything on the first page of community levels are stunning and well created. How am I supposed to compete with that. This is where you realise that the trophies are extremely badly designed and that's where the whole problem originate from + the game isn't promoting your levels. .

2009-04-08 20:23:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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You shouldn't do stupid things and that this forum with them. It really is ridiculous and would NOT help our community. You can go do your roxxor h3rdc0r lulz suxx anywhere you want but leave this forum alone. . Corrected the post; pie was just finished in the oven and I was in a rush for beef

2009-04-08 22:05:00 Author: Shermzor Posts: 1330

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