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MG100DFX is a good amp, but the fan might get annoying, I don't know... it's good though.

I only ever played on higher end ESPs (Viper, Laiho, etc.) so I can't comment the lower end... in any case I reiterate that pickups can be changed easily down the road. They're basically electromagnets that react to the vibrations in the strings directly, this is why you need an amplifier to be able to hear anything and why you can only use metal strings.		2009-03-21 00:54:00

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ya. Well for the price (?250) i think it is great - It's easily loud enough on around half volume for small gigs, i love the sound, it has plent yof dials which i can play with to find sounds i like, and it isn't actually as heavy/hard to move as i expected. And just for the heck of it, i played a slash signature stack with a Slash signature goldtop. Soundproof room + that loud = feeling of supreme coolness2009-03-21 00:59:00

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Yeah I loved that amp, I almost regret selling it, I could've just kept it around for jam sessions. The contour knob is pretty versatile, it's like a mids knob on steroids.

Although I'm not generally a fan of integrated effects, it also offers decent chorus, delay, and flange. I think it also has an effects loop in the back, in case you want to upgrade to real pedals (which you should for any serious effects usage) ... all in all, a good amp that will last a long time.

It's a medium gain amp, but your sound can always be beefed up by hot pickups and OD pedals.		2009-03-21 01:05:00

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Foofles
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Yeah, the contour is really cool =]

and the gain is fine for the stuff my band is playin, like Gn R/ Velvet Revolver stuff		2009-03-21 01:08:00

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Hmm, I checked out the MH-53.

What does that guitar have that's different/better than the guitar I posted? Besides looks, simply because I really like how that guitar looks and the maple neck is my favorite part, and I really want a guitar with a neck like that.

So get the MH-53 then. It's *very* similar to the RG350. They both have floating bridges (the Edge III on the Ibanez is essentially a floyd rose). You will only get one humbucker on the ESP (bridge) as opposed to two with the Ibanez (bridge & neck). Some people prefer a maple fretboard (on the ESP) to a rosewood (Ibanez), but it's entirely preference.

Neither guitars are coming loaded with high end pickups, so it's a matter of playing both and deciding which sounds and feels better to you. Personally, I like the shape and contour of the ESP better myself (and I own high end variants of both of these guitars... )

I know Ibanez used to ship some RG's with maple necks, but they might not have any on this model. You could always ask your dealer and see if they could order you one with a maple neck.		2009-03-21 05:33:00

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Thegide
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what is the difference in feel of a Maple neck compared to a Rosewood one?

Cheers!		2009-03-21 07:38:00

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RAINFIRE
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what is the difference in feel of a Maple neck compared to a Rosewood one?

Cheers!

Good question =)
Are you talking about the fretboard material, or the neck material?
Maple wood is more dense than Rosewood, which will result in a "brighter" sound. This is the first thing most people notice when playing a guitar with a maple fretboard.
Maple always has a type of finishing on it, and Rosewood doesn't, so they will both feel different.
It all comes down to personal preference, though.
You should stop by your local music store, and ask to play both.		2009-03-21 22:25:00

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guitarplayer16
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So get the MH-53 then. It's *very* similar to the RG350. They both have floating bridges (the Edge III on the Ibanez is essentially a floyd rose). You will only get one humbucker on the ESP (bridge) as opposed to two with the Ibanez (bridge & neck). Some people prefer a maple fretboard (on the ESP) to a rosewood (Ibanez), but it's entirely preference.

Neither guitars are coming loaded with high end pickups, so it's a matter of playing both and deciding which sounds and feels better to you. Personally, I like the shape and contour of the ESP better myself (and I own high end variants of both of these guitars... )

I know Ibanez used to ship some RG's with maple necks, but they might not have any on this model. You could always ask your dealer and see if they could order you one with a maple neck.

I'm going to go to the nearest guitar center this weekend, because I have to drive 30 minutes and I really don't have time during the weekdays, but yeah I definately think the ESP looks better, I just hope they have some there, it is on the website so we'll see.		2009-03-23 23:05:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Call before you go?2009-03-24 02:48:00

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Thegide
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Yeah I will. I'll ask if they have both, I'll try them both out, maybe take my amp there too. We'll see.2009-03-24 04:10:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Anyone else here think that Coheed and Cambria is the best band ever?2009-03-24 20:12:00

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qrtda235566
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METALLICA! lol...2009-03-24 21:19:00

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Metallica SUCKS!

COHEED AND CAMBRIA ROCKS!		2009-03-24 21:30:00

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qrtda235566
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GTFO. seriously! i am serious!2009-03-24 21:34:00

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METALLICA SUX AND COHEED AND CAMBRIA IS TEH ROX!


I hate the low production value of every album Metallica has ever made besides the Black Album and all the albums after which sucked.		2009-03-24 22:31:00

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qrtda235566
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Metallica SUCKS!
You can't say Metallica sucks just because you don't like them.
There are people in the world that don't appreciate Metallica's work, and you sir, are one of them.
I enjoy playing their older stuff such as Fade To Black, Master of Puppets, One, etc.		2009-03-24 22:57:00

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guitarplayer16
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You can't say Metallica sucks just because you don't like them.
There are people in the world that don't appreciate Metallica's work, and you sir, are one of them. -of course! that's what I said. lol
I enjoy playing their older stuff such as Fade To Black, Master of Puppets, One, etc.

Well, can't say I love 'em. They've written some good stuff, though. Fade to Black and Sanitarium are my favorites, but in terms of skill Metallica really does suck for a band of their fame. Or maybe they are good for a band of their fame, after all, I'm sure the only band beating them is the Jonas Brothers. They're no where as good as say...COHEED AND CAMBRIA!		2009-03-25 00:33:00

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Good gracious so many people have been silenced, LMAO. Poor souls trying to recreate the Spam Can.

On topic, Umm yeah so I talked to guitar center, and they have both guitars, and my amp. So I don't have to take anything, Tis will be the awesomeness.		2009-03-25 01:24:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Ya it is sad. Especially being talked down to when that's all they were trying to do. It may of not been the most mature way for them to approach it . But the fact remains they are kids.

But anyway guitars are awesome!		2009-03-25 01:29:00

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Hamsalad
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So anyways, anyone have any beginner-intermediate songs? I want to play a few songs.2009-03-25 01:44:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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what bands do you like?2009-03-25 01:50:00

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Foofles
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I'm learning "Bad Fish" By Sublime ...Santeria By Sublime is also really cool......Simple man by Lynard Skynard maybe.....Or In Bloom by Nirvana...... Or When I Come Around or Basket Case by Green Day2009-03-25 01:52:00

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Hamsalad
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I've been learning assorted Final Fantasy songs as I play through the series.. LOL. I can't help it if they're awesome.2009-03-25 01:54:00

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Foofles
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I like a couple of bands, but I don't like any of the ones Ham Salad mentioned, a few I like are

Three Days Grace
Franz Ferdinand
Rise Against
The Bravery

Hmm, I don't know my music is weird,

Ohh I like Killswitch Engage too, but I doubt I can play anything from them lmao.		2009-03-25 01:59:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Whale, play Smells Like Teen Spirit. Very simple throughout, as well as a very simple solo.2009-03-25 01:59:00

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qrtda235566
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Whale, play Smells Like Teen Spirit. Very simple throughout, as well as a very simple solo.

Alright I'll check it out thanks.		2009-03-25 02:01:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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I thought you didn't like Nirvana. I suggested In bloom by nirvana. Which IMO is a more fun chord transition but more difficult than teen spirit2009-03-25 02:04:00

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Hamsalad
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I thought you didn't like Nirvana. I suggested In bloom by nirvana. Which IMO is a more fun chord transition but more difficult than teen spirit

Yeah well, I don't like In Bloom, I've heard it, I don't like it, never heard of Teen Spirit which is why I said I'd check it out.		2009-03-25 02:07:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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spoiler

Most NIrvana songs have a very similar style		2009-03-25 02:12:00

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Hamsalad
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spoiler

Most NIrvana songs have a very similar style

I dunno, we'll see. I don't like the lyrics and the overall feel of In Bloom, is what I'm saying. If they all sound the same, then I won't bother with it.		2009-03-25 02:28:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Anybody know Buckethead?
I've been a fan of Buckethead for years now.
I recently tabbed out (which nobody has ever done, I believe) his song Whitewash (including the solo) from a live version on Youtube.
YouTube - BUCKETHEAD		2009-03-25 03:00:00

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guitarplayer16
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Anybody know Buckethead?
I've been a fan of Buckethead for years now.
I recently tabbed out (which nobody has ever done, I believe) his song Whitewash (including the solo) from a live version on Youtube.
YouTube - BUCKETHEAD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8akmP6Sjv2o)

Dude, Buckethead is teh bomb.

His best song is Interworld and the New Innocence. (Yes, I know that's a Praxis song)		2009-03-25 03:07:00

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qrtda235566
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Anybody know Buckethead?
I've been a fan of Buckethead for years now.
I recently tabbed out (which nobody has ever done, I believe) his song Whitewash (including the solo) from a live version on Youtube.
YouTube - BUCKETHEAD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8akmP6Sjv2o)

Who doesn't know Buckethead, seriously. Good guitar player.		2009-03-25 03:09:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Good to know some people here knows Buckethead =)
If you ask most "guitarists" out there, they probably havn't even heard of him.
Only real guitarists know Buckethead.
Slash is a really good guitarist, he's probably my favourite.
I also recently tabbed out his Godfather Theme solo from this:

YouTube - SLASH - GODFATHER THEME		2009-03-25 03:12:00

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guitarplayer16
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Slash is good but he isn't very varied when it comes to style. But then again, not all of us can be Bucketheads.2009-03-25 03:13:00

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qrtda235566
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How long have you guys been playing?2009-03-25 03:16:00

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guitarplayer16
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I've had my guitar for a year, time played maybe around 1 month, which is a little, but I'm starting to get a lot more guitar time. Trying to get somewhat good. 2009-03-25 03:17:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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I've had my guitar for a year, time played maybe around 1 month, which is a little, but I'm starting to get a lot more guitar time. Trying to get somewhat good.

Whoa, pretty new to the guitar scene eh?
I've been playing 5 years now with lessons (not 5 years without lessons).
I wish to pursue a career at my local music store as a guitar teacher, been playing some gigs already.		2009-03-25 03:19:00

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guitarplayer16
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I got a guitar in 2004. Got lessons, quit, got lessons again, quit. Then, 2007, I brushed the dust off my guitar and started playing again. I got an electric guitar for my birth day in 2007, started taking lessons, never quit, and here I am. 2009-03-25 03:19:00

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qrtda235566
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I got a guitar in 2004. Got lessons, quit, got lessons again, quit. Then, 2007, I brushed the dust off my guitar and started playing again. I got an electric guitar for my birth day in 2007, started taking lessons, never quit, and here I am.

Nice, been playing on and off for a while right? =P
What guitars do you guys play?		2009-03-25 03:21:00

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guitarplayer16
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Nice, been playing on and off for a while right? =P
What guitars do you guys play?

Lol yah.

I play one of those fake strats made in Indonesia. Don't laugh at me. 		2009-03-25 03:27:00

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qrtda235566
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I play an Ibanez, I'm about to buy a new guitar, see above posts for reference as to what I'm buying.

It's the ESP MH-53 or something like that.		2009-03-25 03:28:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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I've been playing guitar for a year and 3 months...actually playing right now. I play all the time so I've gotten pretty good quickly. Started lessons maybe 4 months ago. They really help I recommend them to everyone. Pretty impressive w/ the tabbing.

I have a Yamaha RGX (The last model thats no longer made)		2009-03-25 03:30:00

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Hamsalad
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I've been playing for about 9 years or so, I have many guitars but mainly play on an Ibanez JEM, I posted pics somewhere else in this thread... it's the one with the scallopped last few frets.

It's a good guitar but I recently had to replace a faulty switch, it was embarrassing to play in front of a crowd and have your guitar constantly fizzle in and out.		2009-03-25 03:35:00

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Foofles
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I've been playing since I was 11.... that was 17 years ago. I teach part time too.

MOAR SHRED. My guitars are on page 1 of this thread, and one of them is in my avatar.		2009-03-25 03:36:00

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Thegide
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I've been playing since I was 11.... that was 17 years ago. I teach part time too.

MOAR SHRED.

Nice, I started towards the end of my high school career when I met a girl I liked that played guitar... eventually liked guitar more than the girl. lol.		2009-03-25 03:38:00

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Foofles
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Hahaha Foofles, made me laugh there.


So Thegide, how much was the MH-400? Just curious.		2009-03-25 03:38:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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It was a thousand bucks, and plays and sounds better than most $3000 guitars.2009-03-25 03:39:00

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Thegide
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It was a thousand bucks, and plays and sounds better than most $3000 guitars.

Hey, remember that Michael whatever video you posted up a while ago, is he playing an LTD too?		2009-03-25 03:44:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Michael Romeo? Wikipedia says this:

"Since 2005, Romeo has taken advantage of a new custom model, Caparison Dellinger II - Michael Romeo Custom, which he used to record Symphony X last album, Paradise Lost. Throughout his career, Romeo has also used ESP M-II Deluxe guitars with EMG Active pickups and Fender Stratocasters to perform and record other albums from the band."

I've never heard of Caparison guitars until I looked this up.... hmmm interesting.		2009-03-25 03:48:00

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Thegide
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My friend has a Caparison guitar, not too shabby.2009-03-25 03:50:00

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Foofles
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I guess, it's weird that I'm noticing LTD guitars more and more now that I know what they are... Really strange.2009-03-25 03:57:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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ESPs weren't usually my thing... but hey... would anyone like to buy an ESP/Edwards Alexi Laiho sig? The ones that uses to be imported from Japan?

***SHAMELESS PLUG***
This guitar can no longer be bought in the USA. http://www.bonanzle.com/booths/fairylandusa/items/ALEXI_LEIHO_SAWTOOTH_ESP_GUITAR_musical_instrument s

In like new condition with gigbag and all accessories...

/shamelessplug.		2009-03-25 04:04:00

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Foofles
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Wow, that is definately not my type of guitar, lol.

But anyways, had a little chat with my dad, he said we'll see what's going on, and I got a little more information on my guitar, other than the brand, so yeah my guitar is an Ibanez RG3EX1, I assume they're out dated since they're not even on the Ibanez website anymore. But I don't know.

Anyways, talked to my dad, he asked some questions and I have a little more to ask about guitars.


Pickups

My guitar that I currently have, has 2 humbuckers. Does more pickups essentially mean a better sound/quality?

What's better, non-active pickups, or active? Why? What is an active pickup? A non active pickup?

The Ibanez RG350DX has 3 pickups, 2 humbuckings, and 1 single coil. While the ESP MH-53 has 1 humbucking, and 2 single coils. What is the difference? Are humbuckings better? Which one would essentially sound better?

Actions

I'm still a little confuzzled by this, if I'm not mistaken, the action is the amount of space from your strings to your fretboard, the closer your strings are to the fretboard, the better your action? I still need someone to shed some light for me on this.

Locking Tremelos

Both guitars I am looking at, the ESP and Ibanez, have locking tremelos, what does that actually mean? What do they do that's different from other trems?




Anyways, that's all I have for now, I asked my dad about the budget and he said we can go as high as 500 dollars, although I might be able to squeeze in another hundred if it's a good value for a really good guitar. So if there are any guitars better than these two that are in that price range, let me hear about em guys!		2009-03-25 06:42:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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the reason they're called "humbuckers" is because they try to cancel some of the hum caused by ambient interference against single coils... on guitars with multiple pickups, you get a switch to change between which one will output to the amp... pickups towards the bridge will sound more "twangy" ... pickups towards the neck will sound more mellow.

Single coil pickups have a crisp bite sort of sound to them, humbuckers have a warmer, fatter bottom end sound to them... also tend to be "hotter"/more sensitive. Having more pickups in a guitar doesn't mean better quality of sound, only more versatility in sound. For heavy metal you typically want a humbucker in the bridge for the thick low end with tight mids.

action refers more or less to the height of the strings from the fretboard... typically on these sorts of things you want as low an action as you can get without buzzing, but a higher action has advantages like better sustain... though typically better guitars will be able to have a clear sound at a low action.

They call it a locking tremolo because it actually clamps down on the strings at both the nut (towards where you tune the strings) and the bridge (towards where you're playing). The idea here is that it'll keep the strings in tune better after you use the whammy bar. The floyd rose tremolo system also lets you whammy both ways, raising or lowering the pitch... keep in mind though since the bridge is fully floating on springs, it becomes annoying to change the strings... but you get used to it.		2009-03-25 08:02:00

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Foofles
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More to add...

Active pickups are battery powered, passives are not. You can't necessarily say that one is better than the other, only that they are different. Active pickups typically have sound-shaping tech buried in them (i.e. eq, filters) and often produce less hum than passives (if they are good). Sometimes they can have better dynamic range and higher output, it depends.

Ultimately, it comes down to tonal preference. Certainly my DiMarzio Breeds (passive) sound worlds different than my EMG81/85 (active). The EMGs produce a very fat liquid lead sound (neck pickup) and a very chunky rhythm (bridge). The DiMarzios are very sharp and aggressive and less forgiving for sloppy lead playing.

What Foofles said about action is correct. Low action setup makes fast playing easier, because the strings are closer to the fretboard. My guitars are set up for ultra low action for shredding away. High action can provide for better note sustain, although high end guitars typically give you the best of both. Higher quality guitars also let you achieve lower action since their construction is generally more precise, and therefore you can go lower without encountering fret buzz.

Floating bridges let you use a tremolo system (whammy bar) in either direction (raise or lower a note). Using a whammy bar frequently knocks strings out of tune, which is why there is a locking system at the headstock. Much more tedious to get your guitar in tune, but once locked down, it stays in tune. They have micro-tuners at the bridge for small adjustments, so you can do small amounts of tuning without unlocking everything.

With a floating bridge, you will always change the strings one at a time.		2009-03-25 14:27:00

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Thegide
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I have something to add to this thread:

Coheed and Cambria is the best. You must listen to them. They are teh best.		2009-03-25 20:13:00

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qrtda235566
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Didn't you post this already? Somebody just mentioned C&C a few pages ago...2009-03-25 20:40:00

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Thegide
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ya it was him...and on like 3 or 4 other threads lol...he must be on a C&C binge2009-03-25 20:44:00

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Hamsalad
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lol...

in any case, whichever guitar you get from the store you'll probably want to have it professionally setup to play optimally.		2009-03-25 20:47:00

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Foofles
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anyone know of a good free drum beat program I could use. If there is such a thing. Just to make custom drum beats to jam out to that don't sound totally fake and crappy2009-03-25 20:53:00

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Hamsalad
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Band in a box, drag and drop drummer... drag and drop drummer uses real drum sound samples2009-03-25 21:20:00

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Foofles
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I'll check out drag and drop dummer. I think I saw band in a box had good reviews on download.com..... Thanks2009-03-25 21:24:00

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Hamsalad
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Hmm, I see. What makes it so hard to tune a floating bridge?2009-03-25 21:38:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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I'll check out drag and drop dummer. I think I saw band in a box had good reviews on download.com..... Thanks

You can try the samples included with Kore player. Or, you could go with a demo version of BFD drums too.


Hmm, I see. What makes it so hard to tune a floating bridge?

Well a floating bridge is essentially a bridge on hinges. The bridge's position is determined by a balance of tension between the strings and claw springs located in the back of the guitar.

Changing the tune of a single string therefore changes the total pull force of the strings, which means that by tuning a single string, all of the other strings are thrown out of tune.

If that's complicated to envision, try thinking of it as a tug of war contest. One on side you have team STRINGS. On the other, team SPRINGS. Team SPRINGS never changes how hard they pull. If team STRINGS adds a person, then the flag (in the center) is going to move towards their side. To get the flag back to center, everyone else on STRINGS has to adjust to pull less hard. Similarly, if they lose a person, everyone has to adjust to pull harder.

So, if you have a guitar with a floating bridge, and detune the low E to get drop D, all of the other strings are going to become slightly sharp, and you'll need to retune the guitar to restore balance.

When re-stringing your guitar, this is also why you remove and replace one string at a time, so as to never harshly disrupt the balance of the guitar. I guarantee if you didn't, you'd have to retune it about 100 times, because by the time you tune the high E string, the low E string is out of tune again, and this would keep happening over and over and over...		2009-03-25 21:54:00

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Thegide
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thanks. I remember you saying Kore was a sample pack. So you can make loops with it? i'll check out BFD drums too. I know its a demo so they prob don't let you save loops? But I guess i wouldn't need to2009-03-25 22:06:00

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Hamsalad
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Both Kore and BFD are VSTs. So, they provide the drum sounds. You could use any number of [sequencing] programs to enter the beats. My memory of what's free and what's not is a bit foggy, and certainly I..uhm "borrowed" lots of software back then.

Also, there is distinction to be made between loops and samples. Loops are more like beats that you string together to make more complex beats. I think they are also called "slices".

If you're trying to write drum tracks to jam along with, I'd think you'd want to use samples instead, which are more like single notes coming from a single instrument.

EDIT: Wikipedia lists the following sequencing software:

Commercial

* ACID Pro and Cinescore from Sony
* Cubase and Nuendo from Steinberg
* Digital Performer from MOTU
* FL Studio from Image Line Software
* Live from Ableton
* Logic Pro, Logic Express and Garageband from Apple
* Orion Platinum from Synapse Audio
* Pro Tools from Digidesign
* REAPER From Cockos
* Reason from Propellerhead
* Renoise
* Samplitude, Sequoia, Music Maker and Music Studio from Magix
* SAWStudio from RML Labs
* Sinfonia, from Realtime Music Solutions [1]
* Sonar, Project5 and Home Studio from Cakewalk
* Storm from Arturia
* Tracktion from Mackie

Free/Open Source

* Ardour
* Frinika (cross platform)
* LMMS
* MusE
* MuseScore (cross platform)
* Musette
* Rosegarden
* Seq24
* Hydrogen (drum machine)		2009-03-25 22:20:00

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Thegide
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So how would you get them all in tune? Wouldn't they keep going out of tune if you tried to tune them?

Like tuning the Low E to drop D, makes the others sharp, you start to tune the others back, and the drop D becomes a Low E again. Wouldn't that keep happening?

I'm confused.		2009-03-25 22:22:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Gotcha...like a certain snare or kick or symbol sound etc.... and peice them together yourself..So I think I got you; I have to get the sample pack and THEN a mixer type thing too2009-03-25 22:23:00

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Hamsalad
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So how would you get them all in tune? Wouldn't they keep going out of tune if you tried to tune them?

Like tuning the Low E to drop D, makes the others sharp, you start to tune the others back, and the drop D becomes a Low E again. Wouldn't that keep happening?

I'm confused.

Well, in the realm of acoustic physics, it does happen infinitely, yes. However, the ear is nowhere near as sensitive.

If you were to keep retuning over and over, the amount of retuning needed each time becomes less and less (because you are closer to reaching true equilibrium).

The even simpler solution is to slightly overtune the strings you tune first, so when they detune, they settle at the correct pitch. With a bit of practice, it's no more work to tune a floyd rose than it is any other type.		2009-03-25 22:26:00

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Thegide
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I think I have a floyd rose I don't think it was ever cleared up for me though. Mine just sits on my pegs I can adjust (for my action). And If I take my strings off my bridge comes off (It's held by string pressue). And from what I know that means I can't have the whammy.

And I've heard that too. To slightly over tune your strings so they settle on tune. I just restrung mine a little bit ago. Repolished it up and lemon oiled the fret board. And used elixir strings... I like them so far it seems my ernie's bend better though. Maybe it's just cause they were older IDK		2009-03-25 22:36:00

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I think I have a floyd rose I don't think it was ever cleared up for me though. Mine just sits on my pegs I can adjust (for my action). And If I take my strings off my bridge comes off (It's held by string pressue). And from what I know that means I can't have the whammy.

And I've heard that too. To slightly over tune your strings so they settle on tune. I just restrung mine a little bit ago. Repolished it up and lemon oiled the fret board. And used elixir strings... I like them so far it seems my ernie's bend better though. Maybe it's just cause they were older IDK

There's no point in a floyd rose without a whammy bar. What you described is exactly the design of a floating trem system, which means you SHOULD have a whammy bar (the bar is usually detachable)

Post pics and I'll explain what's going on.

You shouldn't be adjusting your pegs unless your bridge is too high AFTER you've already set the proper angle. Proper action is achieved by 3 things: bridge angle, bridge height, and truss rod alignment.

I've done all my own guitar setups since about 2005. I got sick of paying techs $60/hr to do a half-assed job and find out my action sucked when I got my guitar back.

Feel free to ask questions.		2009-03-25 22:42:00

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I'll post a pic but I accident moved the peg up when I was cleaning it...so I had to lower it again. And I think I have it at optimum height but I may have some small le-way space. I noticed it's always closest at the first fret...so thats the one you have to watch out for.2009-03-25 22:49:00

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http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/p...RWXGB&ZYXSEM=0 is my guitar.. IDK if you can tell there. The bridge is just a single solid thing that rests on top of those pegs that can come off

nevermind I wonder if they removed it.. I need to find another link		2009-03-25 23:08:00

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Hamsalad
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That link just takes me to the main musiciansfriend page. What's the make/model?2009-03-25 23:14:00

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Thegide
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Found it!

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-RGX520FZ-Electric-Guitar?sku=519043&src=3WWRWXGB&ZYXSEM=0		2009-03-25 23:19:00

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Hamsalad
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Ok, yeah, that's not a floating bridge at all. No locking mechanism, and the strings are passed through the body of the guitar.

That looks more like a Gibson tune-o-matic bridge.		2009-03-25 23:45:00

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ya its a through body...but its like a solid state bridge top thing that rest on top of the pegs and is held down by string pressue...it's the only way i can describe it.


under the description I saw it says T-O-M bridge..ahh makes sense why you said tune-o-matic		2009-03-25 23:47:00

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Hamsalad
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Rose

This is a good read if you're interested. Floyds are detachable as well, and use peg posts as pivot points.		2009-03-25 23:48:00

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I'll check it out...what do they mean by tune-o-matic? im guessing it says in that wikki i cant read it this sec though. I noticed there are springs in it..maybe thats it?2009-03-25 23:58:00

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Hamsalad
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hey guys, check out my friend's weekly metal radio show www.Mogulus.com/PreludeToMetalRadio .. it's on now!2009-03-26 00:38:00

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Wow that's going to take a little getting used to, the whole overtune them so they tune correctly and all that jazz. Confusing stuff, but I'm sure I'll get used to it.

Anyways, new question.

Foofles said I should have a professional set my guitar up, would that cost money? Do you think guitar center would do it for free? I have no idea what I would have to do when I receive my guitar, so if the case is that I have to set it up myself, there are going to be some questions coming your way guys.


Annnnnd, a question about the whammy bar, how abusive are those things? Because I'm almost positive that they're not as abusive as the whammy bars for rock band and stuff, let's just hope I don't break a string from whammying. 		2009-03-26 03:25:00

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It's not that tricky Whaaaaale. You'll figure it out quickly.

Usually when you buy a new guitar, they will set it up for free the first time. Often, they will suggest that you don't get it set up right away and bring it back for the setup in about a month, this way you break the guitar in first (otherwise all that setup for nothing!)

I'd also suggest getting it re-setup every year or so. Wood warps, springs stretch, lots of stuff happens, so its worthwhile to get it redone every now and then. You can probably expect to pay about $50, and with that they usually check to make sure the guitar's intonation is properly set (which means the guitar is in tune at all spots on the neck), adjust the action if needed, change the strings, clean the neck, adjust the truss rod (neck "bow", or curve), and clean the volume and tone pots.		2009-03-26 03:41:00

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It's not that tricky Whaaaaale. You'll figure it out quickly.

Usually when you buy a new guitar, they will set it up for free the first time. Often, they will suggest that you don't get it set up right away and bring it back for the setup in about a month, this way you break the guitar in first (otherwise all that setup for nothing!)

I'd also suggest getting it re-setup every year or so. Wood warps, springs stretch, lots of stuff happens, so its worthwhile to get it redone every now and then. You can probably expect to pay about $50, and with that they usually check to make sure the guitar's intonation is properly set (which means the guitar is in tune at all spots on the neck), adjust the action if needed, change the strings, clean the neck, adjust the truss rod (neck "bow", or curve), and clean the volume and tone pots.


Man Thegide, you truly are a great help, I don't know how many times I've thanked you in this thread, lol... But yeah, thanks, that's loads of help.		2009-03-26 03:45:00

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I wouldn't recommend routinely trusting guitar center for setups, try finding a smaller, local shop to handle it.

Setting up the floyd isn't too tricky but a pro will handle a lot of the frustration for you in the bridge, and believe me it's frustrating to set one up. And then when you throw truss rods into the mix, well, you don't wanna mess with that if you don't know what you're doing. A pro will (hopefully) do all thegide mentioned.

I dont understand what you mean whale? The FR bridge was made particularly for hard rock and heavy metal, as long as the strings are locked down right oyu should have no problems from a dive bimb or wail now and then.		2009-03-26 04:41:00

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I wouldn't recommend routinely trusting guitar center for setups, try finding a smaller, local shop to handle it.

Setting up the floyd isn't too tricky but a pro will handle a lot of the frustration for you in the bridge, and believe me it's frustrating to set one up. And then when you throw truss rods into the mix, well, you don't wanna mess with that if you don't know what you're doing. A pro will (hopefully) do all thegide mentioned.

I dont understand what you mean whale? The FR bridge was made particularly for hard rock and heavy metal, as long as the strings are locked down right oyu should have no problems from a dive bimb or wail now and then.

Yeah well, I'm just saying, I heard that if you use it too hard/much, the strings will rip? Or is it get out of tune? One of the two, meh, maybe it wasn't a FR though.		2009-03-26 06:48:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Good strings can stretch a decent distance without ripping, and when you push the whammy bar down you're actually increasing the slack, it's only when you pull it up that you stretch them out.

If you use it really hard it could go out of tune, but what some people do is just flick it in the opposite direction.		2009-03-26 06:53:00

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Good strings can stretch a decent distance without ripping, and when you push the whammy bar down you're actually increasing the slack, it's only when you pull it up that you stretch them out.

If you use it really hard it could go out of tune, but what some people do is just flick it in the opposite direction.

Alright thanks.		2009-03-26 08:29:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Just be reasonable about it... if you're going to go crazy like Steve Vai all the time... well.. keep in mind people like Steve Vai gets their guitars and repairs for free so if he breaks his bridge he'll just get another one. It's a pretty vigorous design though, as long as you're not jerking it 24/7.2009-03-27 00:01:00

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Foofles
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does anyone know much about amps. I have a 15W practice fender amp that has a lot of effects. It stopped working a little bit randomly; the power light comes on but no sound comes out. I took the back off and I don't see anything just jumping out at me that would be messing it up. I can take pics if you want and show you guys

[edit]: nevermind my brother in law looked at it and it was a resistor that blew I guess.		2009-03-29 23:27:00

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Hamsalad
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That sounds familiar ham.. what model amp was it? I actually had the same thing happen to me on a 15 or 30 watt fender amp with effects I got once just for practice... it blew out in a few days though so I returned it to the store.2009-03-30 01:04:00

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Foofles
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Yep, happened to me a bunch too with my 15W Crate amp. In my case, it's always been the fuse.2009-03-30 18:29:00

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What do you guys think about a one 12" Peavy Bandit? I played it. It's pretty cool; I think its suposed to be like a synthetic tube sound ,and you can adjust the power on the back. It's in my price range but I didn't know how it would hold up or anything2009-03-30 19:19:00

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Hamsalad
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Not too sure about that amp ham.

In any case, my friend's metal radio show is on now: http://www.mogulus.com/PreludeToMetalRadio

Enjoy! Come in and chat, listen. 		2009-04-01 23:39:00

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Foofles
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Hey what's up! I just started playing guitar least year in september. I love playing guitar and I learn pretty fast. My favorite song to play is probably the intro riff to Crazy Train. I drew a picture of my guitar and used it for my sig & my Avatar.2009-04-04 03:59:00

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tjb0607
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Hey dude, nice to see a new face around here. Ya, that's a cool riff; I like the solo for crazy train. I didn't try too much to learn the whole thing but I learned the beginning part. My favorite thing to play is probably like badfish from sublime or santeria.

Pretty good for hand drawn picture as well		2009-04-04 20:04:00

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Hamsalad
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I just drew a sweet picture of my amp in UNDER AN HOUR. I hope you like it!
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2654/amp.png		2009-04-07 04:32:00

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tjb0607
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lol nice. what did you use to draw that2009-04-07 04:57:00

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Hamsalad
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I've been playing random tabs lately, and I just had my eyes opened by a few people, that learning the guitar by tabs is not really the way to go, so I started reading my book once again, does anyone know if Steve Krenz is a good guitar teacher? He's technically the dude that teaches you on the DVDs I'm using. ANyone even heard of the guy? Lol...

Anyways, I started from session 1, all the way back to the simple G chord, I want to learn it right, so I've started holding the pick the right way, and it feels so weird when your playing, how are you suppose to hold your hand on the guitar? My palm always touches the fretboard, it also feels very weird when your playing chords.

Oh and I skipped to session 19 just to see what I could possibly learn, and I can't wait to get to the pentatonic scales, they seem fun. xD		2009-04-07 06:21:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Havn't heard of that guy but; I remember the exact thing your going through. I havn't been playing guitar that long so I can probably remember better than anyone lol. Ya I remember when one of my friends showed me how to actually hold a pick. And I looked up videos on how to do "squeelies" and you need to hold the pick correctly to do them.

and I also think strumming was pretty difficulty for me like that right away. But when you get used to it. Man, it's 10x easier and you really see the reason why. It leaves all of your other fingers out of the way. And about resting your hand...You pretty much kind of want to use your pinky as an anchor.

And just keep practicing with the pick like that, never go back and you'll just keep getting more and more comfortable holding it like that.

[Edit]: I tried uploading one but it seems I can't even save it how I was trying to do it. I just recorded it on my phone and texted it to my email but for some reason I can only open it in quick time and of course to save it from quick time I need to buy a better version		2009-04-07 07:07:00

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Hamsalad
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Havn't heard of that guy but; I remember the exact thing your going through. I havn't been playing guitar that long so I can probably remember better than anyone lol. Ya I remember when one of my friends showed me how to actually hold a pick. And I looked up videos on how to do "squeelies" and you need to hold the pick correctly to do them.

and I also think strumming was pretty difficulty for me like that right away. But when you get used to it. Man, it's 10x easier and you really see the reason why. It leaves all of your other fingers out of the way. And about resting your hand...You pretty much kind of want to use your pinky as an anchor.

And just keep practicing with the pick like that, never go back and you'll just keep getting more and more comfortable holding it like that.

[Edit]: I tried uploading one but it seems I can't even save it how I was trying to do it. I just recorded it on my phone and texted it to my email but for some reason I can only open it in quick time and of course to save it from quick time I need to buy a better version



Haha, thanks for that. It feels so loose in my hand everytime I strum I feel like I'm holding it too hard, I don't know lol I'll get used to it though.		2009-04-07 07:31:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Question:

To anchor or not to anchor? halp??

because i have heard many people saying that anchoring builds up tension in your arm and can lead to problems later iny our life in your wrists. It is also meant to slow your picking speed and accuracy down...

also, my amp came =]		2009-04-07 10:24:00

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Whatever works for you, however feels comfortable and that you can get a steady alternate picking with. Some people anchor with their pinky or other fingers ( I do), some rest part of the righthand palm on the lower strings on the bridge, some have the hand floating completely free not touching the guitar...

You don't really have to grip the pick too hard, just enough that it won't slip. The angle of the thing is also up to you, experiment with what feels right... although you should be able to maintain a relatively perpendicular path of the pick as you're moving from string to string, you wanna be able to articulate well on all strings...		2009-04-07 15:29:00

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Foofles
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What do you guys think about a one 12" Peavy Bandit? I played it. It's pretty cool; I think its suposed to be like a synthetic tube sound ,and you can adjust the power on the back. It's in my price range but I didn't know how it would hold up or anything

You mean a bandit 112? That amp is practically legendary in its popularity. I probably know half a dozen people that own or have owned that amp at one point.

Peavey makes good gear, although their focus seems to be on more mid-level equipment. I don't recall them making $3000 boutique heads, but the JSX head, at about $1600, is quite a contender.


Question:

To anchor or not to anchor? halp??

because i have heard many people saying that anchoring builds up tension in your arm and can lead to problems later iny our life in your wrists. It is also meant to slow your picking speed and accuracy down...

also, my amp came =]

Hearsay! Bad technique causes repetitive strain injury, not anchoring. I speak from experience with guitar-induced RSI.

The reason to anchor is to improve your picking accuracy and to economize your picking movements, which in turn, lets you pick faster.

Many virtuoso players anchor, others do not. There's no right or wrong way, there's only your way. The best advice I can give you is to experiment with both, and stick the way that works better for you. I anchor when appropriate.

If you want to pick faster, I would suggest either having a guitar teacher assess your current picking and provide advice, or record yourself on video and play it back to observe your picking. Good picking requires minimal motion and should look almost effortless. If your hand is spazzing out and you're flying around everywhere, it's sloppy and no doubt slow and inaccurate.		2009-04-07 15:56:00

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Thanks TheGide, i was about to change the way i did it and start again without anchoring, as it felt weird and harder if i didn't do it... But a mod on the UG forums said it causes 'carpal tunnel' or somthing from the extra tension... but you haven't ben wrong so far =]2009-04-07 17:19:00

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I noticed now what you said Thegide...When I picked I barely move my wrist back and forth. And I anchor my pinky, I noticed unless I am going really fast then my hand just kind of floats there. And when I'm strumming I hold my pick out further out than if i'm doing lead type stuff; also I usually hold it a little looser.

But that's pretty cool about the amp i'll probably get that one. I want to get a foot switch though		2009-04-07 17:50:00

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Hamsalad
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Thanks TheGide, i was about to change the way i did it and start again without anchoring, as it felt weird and harder if i didn't do it... But a mod on the UG forums said it causes 'carpal tunnel' or somthing from the extra tension... but you haven't ben wrong so far =]

What are the UG forums?

I recommend the iBreatheMusic forums. I've learned lots from the players there.

Carpal tunnel is a form of RSI. It's absurd for anyone to suggest that "anchoring causes carpal tunnel syndrome". As I said before, bad technique causes ligament problems, in the sense that when you're doing something repetitive like guitar playing, if your form is bad, then you can injure yourself.

Example:
My RSI came just below the base of my thumb on my fretting hand, caused by playing with my guitar neck parallel to the ground. To make a long story short, it was because my left wrist was bent at an uncomfortable angle when I was playing high up on the neck. I now play in classical position (butt of the guitar between my legs, instead of resting the body on my right leg), which forces the guitar neck upwards, and my wrist doesn't bend awkwardly.

So I'm sure you could develop RSI from bad picking, but that could happen to you whether you anchor or not. The important thing is that whatever way you play, it's comfortable and your hands and joints are in a natural positioning.

Oh yeah, and all those music videos where you see these guys playing metal with their guitars hanging way low by their knees... you can bet they have problems with RSI, no matter how cool they think they look on camera/stage.		2009-04-07 18:58:00

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Ya I know what you mean TheGide...They look really cool lol but the bass player always seems to have it down at his knees. I prob need to adjust my form because some times I actually even have pain in my wrist or something when I'm moving my hand on the fret board...I also play the guitar on my right knee2009-04-07 19:06:00

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Hamsalad
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lol nice. what did you use to draw that

I used inkscape (http://www.inkscape.org/).		2009-04-08 01:55:00

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Man, how long did it take you guys to learn all the notes in the first position? What I mean is, the notes themselves, I've memorized the first, second, and third string. But now that it's come down to having the notes hanging out there on a ledger line(?) I get pretty confused. I know it depends on how fast a learner you are, but just an estimated day. I'm pretty sure it's not 1 day, and I got pretty bummed out that I couldn't play Minuet in G like the dude on my guitar lessons video, played it sooo fast...

Also, how would you play something like this? Tabbed it from my book, for the song "Canon in D"

|--5--------5-7-5-3-|
|-------3-----------|
|-----2---2-6-7-6-4-|
|--0----------------|
|-----------0-------|
|-------------------|

I'm pretty much asking, how is it possible to hit something like that 5,6,0 section? Would you just strum from the A string all the way down to the E string, while holding the specific frets? Or would you only hit those 3 notes, and if it's the latter, how can you do that? In the Jam Along CD, he does it in what sounds like one note.

If you need me to elaborate just ask, it does look pretty sloppy. :blush:		2009-04-08 02:12:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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I can answer one of your questions....When you see the notes split that are played at the same time. You have to finger pick it, cause if you strum it obviously you will hit more than that. otherwise you can pick one note and use a lower finger to finger pick the other string at the same time.

And Cannon in D is the ****...I learned some of that. I just started learning Fur Elise too lol . I like classical stuff

[Edit]: And it looks good dude, you make good tabs =]		2009-04-08 04:27:00

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Hamsalad
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@TheGide - UG forums = Ultimate Guitar forums2009-04-08 08:35:00

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I'm pretty sure it's not 1 day, and I got pretty bummed out that I couldn't play Minuet in G like the dude on my guitar lessons video, played it sooo fast...

These things take time! Begin slowly, learn it perfectly, THEN work on playing it as fast as the CD. People worry too much about speed when they are learning. Learning it at a tempo faster than you are able usually results in picking up sloppy playing habits.

Learning to identify the notes on your fretboard is something that will come naturally so long as you take the time to "test yourself". Learning scale patterns, and the notes comprised by scales will also help you figure out where certain notes are.


Also, how would you play something like this? Tabbed it from my book, for the song "Canon in D"

|--5--------5-7-5-3-|
|-------3-----------|
|-----2---2-6-7-6-4-|
|--0----------------|
|-----------0-------|
|-------------------|

I'm pretty much asking, how is it possible to hit something like that 5,6,0 section? Would you just strum from the A string all the way down to the E string, while holding the specific frets? Or would you only hit those 3 notes, and if it's the latter, how can you do that?


I can answer one of your questions....When you see the notes split that are played at the same time. You have to finger pick it, cause if you strum it obviously you will hit more than that. otherwise you can pick one note and use a lower finger to finger pick the other string at the same time.

This is exactly what I do. I pick the lowest note using my pick, and use my other fingers (middle and ring) to finger pick the higher notes.

You could also strum it, but you would have to mute the D and B strings so they do not ring out when you strum. However, since we are talking about classical music and therefore classic guitar technique, the proper way would be to fingerpick.		2009-04-08 15:14:00

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These things take time! Begin slowly, learn it perfectly, THEN work on playing it as fast as the CD. People worry too much about speed when they are learning. Learning it at a tempo faster than you are able usually results in picking up sloppy playing habits.

Learning to identify the notes on your fretboard is something that will come naturally so long as you take the time to "test yourself". Learning scale patterns, and the notes comprised by scales will also help you figure out where certain notes are.





This is exactly what I do. I pick the lowest note using my pick, and use my other fingers (middle and ring) to finger pick the higher notes.

You could also strum it, but you would have to mute the D and B strings so they do not ring out when you strum. However, since we are talking about classical music and therefore classic guitar technique, the proper way would be to fingerpick.


Holy crap, you actually have to pick them with your fingers? Wow...

So basically use your pick to strum the A string(?) Then use your middle and ring finger to pick the A on the high E string and the C# on the G string(?)

Lol, I'm trying to learn my notes, can someone tell me if I named them right?


EDIT: Dude, that is really hard, I just tried it and wow... My ring and middle finger are huge and everytime i try to finger pick with those my index and thumb spaz out too, lol need to learn to control them. Also, thanks Thegide, I'm practicing daily, looking up random notes on the computer, trying to figure out what note they are, practicing the assignments in my book, we'll see.

I just also found out that near the top of the page for every new session there is an "Estimated Time to Learn These Concepts" sooo, I have 2 weeks basically. 		2009-04-08 21:46:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Holy crap, you actually have to pick them with your fingers? Wow...

So basically use your pick to strum the A string(?) Then use your middle and ring finger to pick the A on the high E string and the C# on the G string(?)

Lol, I'm trying to learn my notes, can someone tell me if I named them right?


EDIT: Dude, that is really hard, I just tried it and wow... My ring and middle finger are huge and everytime i try to finger pick with those my index and thumb spaz out too, lol need to learn to control them. Also, thanks Thegide, I'm practicing daily, looking up random notes on the computer, trying to figure out what note they are, practicing the assignments in my book, we'll see.

I just also found out that near the top of the page for every new session there is an "Estimated Time to Learn These Concepts" sooo, I have 2 weeks basically.

Yep, you aced your note exam. And yes, you would pick it that way. You might want to take some time and practice traditional fingerpicking without using a pick at all... it would help with concepts such as these.

I wouldn't worry about meeting anyone's time to learn any thing... everyone learns at their own pace, influenced directly by how much time they practice.		2009-04-08 23:23:00

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Thegide
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@ TheGide - your avatar wins.2009-04-08 23:23:00

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Awesome, I believe I could name every note on the guitar, it would just take me a few seconds, which means I'm on the right track. And yeah I was just joking about the estimated time thingy, it'll probably take me less time since I play the guitar about 2 hours everyday, sometimes more depends if I have to practice for church.2009-04-08 23:27:00

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LP Standard, PRS Mira, 62 strat reissue (my fave), 99 deluxe jazz bass, Korg Triton Extreme, cubase v4, marshall dsl2000, washburn acoustic

Any of you played the Mira yet? I love the way it sounds.		2009-04-09 00:02:00

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To be honest, I've never been much of a fan of PRS guitars. My next purchase will probably be a Gibson Explorer, black, exactly like the one in my avatar. That's the only Gibson I've ever wanted.

I'm much more of an ESP & Ibanez guy.

Right now I'm running a Mesa Triaxis through a TC Electronics G-Major fx unit into a Mesa 2:90 stereo power amp. The G-major was the best purchase I've ever made - I did away with all my stomp boxes and now I can get any amp preset with any combination of effects with one pedal on my floorboard. Thank you, MIDI, for making my life easier.		2009-04-09 17:05:00

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Thegide
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I just found this guy on Youtube and he does this thing called the Riff Of The Week (http://www.youtube.com/user/DAVEWEINER). He basically teaches you a new riff every Wednesday to be exact, and he's really good, you guys might know him and his channel already, but I'll still put this out here.


I just learned the episode YouTube - Riff Of the Week™ : Can I Get Some Funk? Where he teaches you a very basic funk style rhythm but it sounds amazing.

The dude's name is Dave Weiner by the way.		2009-04-09 21:03:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Wow that guy gives some pretty good lessons. I've already been pretty much doing that technic myself but didn't really even know it; I knew it was a funky sound. But I'm probably going to practice this. I like the funk sound 8)2009-04-09 21:18:00

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Hamsalad
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Wow that guy gives some pretty good lessons. I've already been pretty much doing that technic myself but didn't really even know it; I knew it was a funky sound. But I'm probably going to practice this. I like the funk sound 8)

Yeah check out his videos, he's amazing.		2009-04-09 21:19:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

To be honest, I've never been much of a fan of PRS guitars. My next purchase will probably be a Gibson Explorer, black, exactly like the one in my avatar. That's the only Gibson I've ever wanted.

I'm much more of an ESP & Ibanez guy.

Right now I'm running a Mesa Triaxis through a TC Electronics G-Major fx unit into a Mesa 2:90 stereo power amp. The G-major was the best purchase I've ever made - I did away with all my stomp boxes and now I can get any amp preset with any combination of effects with one pedal on my floorboard. Thank you, MIDI, for making my life easier.

Not to be rude, but if you are not a PRS fan you are either tonedeaf or you have never played one. They sound phenomenal for a production guitar. But, to each his own I guess.

I also have the G-Major and a MIDI pedal board. I like them a lot too. I took them out of my signal chain last year. I like the sound of my guitar and amp too much to screw it up with all that nonsense.		2009-04-10 01:11:00

Author:
muckypops
Posts: 26

I like Ibanez guitars a lot, for the sound and looks. I mean look at the guitar in that video above, that is one SEXY 7 String guitar... Hopefully it'll go mainstream so I can buy it.2009-04-10 01:18:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

I havn't messed w/ Ibanezz much yet...Just my friends(s&apos basses.... I know a lot of good musicians use Ibanezz though. I LOVE my Yamaha RGX, It's an awesome guitar and plays great. I really love the looks of a Gibson Les paul though...but I hear the new studios are made cheaply and arnt worth it2009-04-10 01:20:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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And the Elusive Rainfire pops back in... DUN DUN DUNNN.

Just found a nice finger exercise that is actually the main riff of a song. Look at Last Resort by Papa Roach. Has a finger exercise that takes a lot of finger strength to keep up the riff. See how long you can last at full speed (and even faster if you really want to challenge yourself).

Cheers!		2009-04-11 17:43:00

Author:
RAINFIRE
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:o rainfire!

and that song is cool, maybe i WILL learn it.

In other news, i decided to start working out songs by ear, so i decided to start easy and have successfully worked out Welcome To Paradise by Green Day =] you have to start somewhere i guess...		2009-04-11 19:23:00

Author:
Unknown User

I have a Falcon Firebird Acoustic and a Fender Quomaster Custom.

Long Live Rock'N'Roll		2009-04-11 20:31:00

Author:
CreateNPlay
Posts: 1266

Anyone gonna see Buckethead in NYC next month? I'm going!2009-04-12 19:08:00

Author:
Foofles
Posts: 2278

Buckethead? OMG i love that guy! abducted by aliens and raised by chickens? how can he NOT be cool?2009-04-12 19:51:00

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Unknown User

Hey guys, I"m having some trouble. My friend and I were working on a song last night...And I have the skill needed to play fine it's just when he was showing me his bass line he made up IDK how to make something up knowing what key or anything he's in. Now if I recall his bass line he was doing he started on the highest string and his root was on the 12th fret. But i think he started with his third finger...making it major? But If I recall correctly his riff was out of the whole tone scale pattern...So I just wasn't sure what I could play to sound good with it2009-04-14 17:03:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Hey guys, I"m having some trouble. My friend and I were working on a song last night...And I have the skill needed to play fine it's just when he was showing me his bass line he made up IDK how to make something up knowing what key or anything he's in. Now if I recall his bass line he was doing he started on the highest string and his root was on the 12th fret. But i think he started with his third finger...making it major? But If I recall correctly his riff was out of the whole tone scale pattern...So I just wasn't sure what I could play to sound good with it

Why don't you ask him what key his base line is? What sorts of chord tones are in the line? It's impossible to determine a key accurately just from one note at the beginning...		2009-04-14 17:37:00

Author:
Foofles
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Well he isn't even sure lol, he thinks it's G or F....But I just know it's a whole tone scale shape in that area, like 12-15. Starting on the 12th fret. I know it's really hard to say without being more specific but I"m just not sure, I just know what scale he was building the riff out of. And I wasn't sure what to make up that would sound good with it, it sucks.

[edit]: I know when I texted my guitar teacher and told him i thought the bassist was making his riff out of a whole tone scale he told me augmented or diminished chords would work...but i don't know any lol. And he said otherwise stick to power chords but IDK if I would be playing them in the right key. Or I guess one big question I have is....If he's playing a riff in lets say a major shape in the key of F does that mean I can only play the F chord....Or can I make up a progression to it of like G / C / A ...Something like that. I'm just kind of confused as to knowing about what chords would fit with what I guess. Or if I can do progressions like that		2009-04-14 17:52:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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the chord depends on the mode but... yeah, F major shape would sound fine behind an F or F5... what chord fits with what depends on what chord or scale tones are being used at the time... try using the circle of fifths and where he starts/stops his riffs to determine what key you're in and then you can develop your basic triads from there.2009-04-14 20:22:00

Author:
Foofles
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Could you define some things for me like "mode"; I know in a math sense mode is the most reoccuring thing, so I'm guessing that's the same. And "circle of fifths" ...not sure about that one. And "triads", would that be like a 3 chord progression?

I think I might get what you mean though... So just based on what note he starts / finishes on is what I would go for?		2009-04-14 20:57:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Could you define some things for me like "mode"; I know in a math sense mode is the most reoccuring thing, so I'm guessing that's the same. And "circle of fifths" ...not sure about that one. And "triads", would that be like a 3 chord progression?

I think I might get what you mean though... So just based on what note he starts / finishes on is what I would go for?

Mode is like... say you have a C Major scale, playing the C Major scale would go from C D E F G A B back to C and go endlessly.... now a mode would be starting and ending on a different note in that .. like say going from E F G A B C D and back to E and going on.

Circle of fifts is a chart of keys, what notes are in them, and how they relate... google it up

Triad is 3 notes that makes up a basic chord in a key		2009-04-14 21:12:00

Author:
Foofles
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I guess I just don't get if, lets say he's playing a riff that's from a whole tone scale in the key of F.....I just don't get what chords I can do to make it sound good. Or if it even matters that much. Because I wouldnt think I could only sit there strumming the F chord over and over again...There would have to be other chords that fit. Because he isn't playing F the whole time, he's just playing a scale in the key of F2009-04-14 21:24:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Some guy on the UG forums just told me that if it's the 15th fret of the highest string on a bass it's a "G" and he's playing in A# then....And I need to do chords that are his root notes I guess, I just asked him what he meant by root notes.

[Edit]: nevermind, my friend told me he starts on the 14th fret. But I think he does the same shape		2009-04-14 21:54:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Some guy on the UG forums just told me that if it's the 15th fret of the highest string on a bass it's a "G" and he's playing in A# then....And I need to do chords that are his root notes I guess, I just asked him what he meant by root notes

it goes back to like what I was saying with mode.... and triads...

for example I'll take C again because it has no sharps or flats..

C D E F G A B ... you can build a triad from each of these notes as a root... just skip over 2. like C major is C E G , Dm is D F A, Em is E G B, F major is F A C, G major is G B D, Am is A C E, Bdim is B D F...

Which triad to base your chords off of depends on what mode's going on in the riff; which scale or chord tones are being used. Just mix and match and experiment.		2009-04-14 22:34:00

Author:
Foofles
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I think I get it better now...So if it starts off of a G....I would do the G , B , D progression?2009-04-14 23:37:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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I think I get it better now...So if it starts off of a G....I would do the G , B , D progression?

well not necessarily the progression, but the chord with the notes G, B and D... as far as what progression to use, like what interval of chord to use where.. well... there're no rules... you might want to do an internet search of some of the usual progressions.		2009-04-15 01:52:00

Author:
Foofles
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I've already messed around with a lot of chord progressions just for fun. I was just worried they wouldn't fit what he was doing....but IDk if you can even tell? IDK, I really like messing around with these 3 different 'C'(s).

I do a normal C shape but then I put my pinky down on the B string 3rd fret. I"m not sure what C that is. And then I lift the pinky up...do a normal C, and then lift my index finger up so just my second and third finger are down...so it's mainly open strings. I love those three, but i didnt know if it would fit for that riff		2009-04-15 02:00:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Play together and see?2009-04-15 02:37:00

Author:
Foofles
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It's that time again ... 7 pm - 10pm EST ... Prelude to metal!!! check it out! Live chat, music, entertainment, they've got it all!

http://www.mogulus.com/PreludeToMetalRadio		2009-04-15 23:40:00

Author:
Foofles
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Sorry I've been gone for a while. I'm not much into LBP these days, but still checking out what's going on around here.

I'll have to check that out Foofles.

Hamsalad, I'd really recommend at this point checking out some online lessons for some theory training. Playing skills are worthless if you don't understand the music behind it.

As very basic theory, you need to understand where scales come from, and how to build chords and melodies from these scales. I teach this to all my students, even beginners, as it really is an essential skill.

Once you look up some lessons you should understand how diatonic scales are derived from keys (major, minor, and the other related modal scales such as phrygian, mixolydian, etc.). Then you should understand how you build chords (triads) from these scales. Foofles already explained this, but I'm not sure you understood it correctly.

If your bass mate is indeed playing a whole tone scale, at the very least you both need to identify the root chord of the song or part (if you cannot figure out the key). The chords you would play over a whole tone scale could either be derived from the whole tone scale itself or an underlying diatonic scale.

The whole tone is a synthetic scale, built out of stacking major 2nd intervals. Because all tones are the same distance apart no single tone stands out, and really only two triads are built from it - both of which are augmented chords. In other words, the whole tone scale doesn't give any impression of key or root, so its up to you to define it in other ways (i.e. with other instruments).

The Circle of Fifths is a visual tool to help you identify the notes of a particular key. It does so by telling you how many sharps or flats belong in the key, and you can use it to figure out which notes they are. In the context of the diatonic scale, you can use the circle of fifths to directly identify the notes of the scale (once you understand the theory behind it!)

If you know what diatonic scale fits your song, you could reverse engineer the key knowing which notes belong, using the circle of fifths.



I do a normal C shape but then I put my pinky down on the B string 3rd fret. I"m not sure what C that is.

Cadd9


And then I lift the pinky up...do a normal C, and then lift my index finger up so just my second and third finger are down...so it's mainly open strings.

Cmaj7

you might benefit from this:
http://www.8notes.com/guitar_chord_chart/		2009-04-16 14:36:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

Thanks the gide. I actually started doing some lessons on musictheory.net ...they are really good2009-04-16 18:02:00

Author:
Hamsalad
Posts: 2551

For those that are interested, I attached a .zip file with all of the diatonic scale box shapes and pentatonic box shapes. Every guitarist should know these shapes inside and out.

You'll need MS PowerPoint to open the files.		2009-04-19 18:20:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

That's really nicely put together. Whenever I drew those up for someone I used MS Paint. lol2009-04-19 19:17:00

Author:
Foofles
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For those that are interested, I attached a .zip file with all of the diatonic scale box shapes and pentatonic box shapes. Every guitarist should know these shapes inside and out.

You'll need MS PowerPoint to open the files.

Yes! those are very handy! and a dream for improvisation I haven't read this whole thread, but someone should make a "scales" LBP level, transcribing all the ascending/descending notes onto different buttons. Might be a great way to learn 		2009-04-20 12:37:00

Author:
noddle111
Posts: 174

That's really nicely put together. Whenever I drew those up for someone I used MS Paint. lol

Powerpoint is so incredibly easy to make lessons in. You can draw shapes that snap to grid/each other, plus you can copy and paste screencaps from sheet music & tabs.

I have a massive lesson on tonal harmony I can upload later as well. It's a complete crash course on basic harmony theory.		2009-04-20 17:50:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

I've needed a new amp bad for quite a while. And I came across two good deals on craigslist (i'm on a budget and just like good deals.) One was a dual 12'' beringher w/ a foot switch for $150. And the other I believe is a single 12" Crate amp. Both have effects the Crate was also $150. I am kind of leaning towards the beringher if I have a choice cause of the foot pedal even though I know thegide hates beringhers2009-04-22 18:37:00

Author:
Hamsalad
Posts: 2551

Ever feel like you have hit a wall with your playing and you are getting worse not better? 'cos that is how i feel, and at the moment i also feel like i suck, and i can't seem to play things i could play easily a week ago... help?2009-04-22 19:20:00

Author:
Unknown User

I havn't been playing as long as some people here but. Like thegide said before he isn't as good as he used to be because he doesn't play as much anymore. So if you reach a certain skill level and don't keep up with your practicing, your skills deffinitley would diminish. So my question for you would be; are you practicing as much as you have been? I think the key is to just keep practicing every day for the same amount if not more if you want to get better.

I just recently started learning Cow Boys From Hell by Pantera. I was suprised that I can actually play it since it's so fast but I play every single day. And it uses a pentatonic pattern for the first part that I practice all the time. So I would also advise learning / practicing your scales on rythem, they will translate over to other songs anyway. I'm still practicing that song...it's pretty tough		2009-04-22 19:33:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Yes it doesn't matter what skill level you are, if you're not actively maintaining your abilities you'll have issues... but it doesn't take too long to get back up to speed.

In fact that's what I'm doing, right now I'm re-learning Stratosphere from Stratovarius ... I had it down a few years ago but since forgot it.		2009-04-22 22:07:00

Author:
Foofles
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stratovarius the legendary violinist?

also have any input on the amps foofles (same with thegide when he comes in) It's a beringher 2x12" speakers w/ a foot switch, lots of effects. Or a 2x12" Crate amp no foot switch I don't think i'll double check and some effects I believe. The crates like a year old and the beringher is more new I believe. Both for $150		2009-04-22 22:19:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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I'll check those out online soon to see which ones they might be in particular.

And although it's a similar name, I mean a power metal band lol 		2009-04-22 23:04:00

Author:
Foofles
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Hmm... I'm not sure if I can find which Crate amp you're talking about, but is this the Behringer? http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/VT250FX.aspx

I've tried similar ones, not too bad... but in general you shouldn't worry too much about what onboard effects they have, they usually suck. You wanna focus on getting something that sounds really good at volumes you can play at home with. It's been years since I've played through a crate amp ... but I think I played through a few behringers a couple of weeks ago, weren't too bad.		2009-04-23 00:03:00

Author:
Foofles
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http://janesville.craigslist.org/msg/1134789886.html that for $400 ....double marrshall cabinets... I'll prob get either amp as long as they get back to me. if i got those what else would i need for them to work. i would prefer a combo for portability


this is ther berhinger http://janesville.craigslist.org/msg/1124234636.html		2009-04-23 00:26:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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The first link isn't an amp, they're just speaker cabinets so you'd still need an amp head... more hassle and $ than you'd want to get into at the moment I imagine.

Second seems ok for the price. You ever try anything similar to it?		2009-04-23 00:33:00

Author:
Foofles
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Naw I havn't, I guess my best bet would to be to look at some reviews. But I mean even if it's a decent amp I"m sure I would take it. I Just want to be able to play out / play w. a drummer etc. And for it to sound pretty decent but doesn't have to be the best amp ever2009-04-23 00:37:00

Author:
Hamsalad
Posts: 2551

Yeah, just try some behringers like it and see how you like the feel.

Also my friend is hosting a weekly metal show tonight, http://www.mogulus.com/PreludeToMetalRadio

Lot's of great music, especially for an aspiring guitarist like yourself to be exposed to. I'm there as Anette (don't ask) .. chat it up with us!		2009-04-23 01:01:00

Author:
Foofles
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you never miss a beat for plugging lol. I dont blame you, I would too. Thanks for the advice on amps. So is your friend thomas or wayne. i tried going on it just keept saying connecting and i clicked the power button and it froze up on me. I'm on a work computer and have a bunch of applications running so maybe thats why2009-04-23 01:22:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Ahhh, well both of them! Ha!

I promise to advertise so I do, lol. That stinks that you can't connect, there're some great metal bands, including his, Altayon. Power metal! Whooo!		2009-04-23 01:28:00

Author:
Foofles
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Seems like a cool group but they are all pretty tight knit. Didn't seem to get acknowledged at all except by you. No sweat though. i"m leaving work now, later2009-04-23 02:00:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Ironic, they keep saying how they want to go bigger than mogulus, gotta expect new people huh? lol well glad you enjoyed what you saw, and interesting news on Primus coming back together.2009-04-23 02:08:00

Author:
Foofles
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Ya, I understand how it is though. I'm sure those guys are all regulars though and hang out together; like everyone does on here. But ya they need to try to be a little more accepting / welcoming to new people I guess if they want them to stick around and be regulars.They put on a cool show though, I have no beef w/ them; I'm just saying it could kind of intimidate / scare off potentially new people if they wanted to join in and just got the cold shoulder.

[Edit]:I'm sure if someone was to persevere and keep at it they would be accepted in eventually though. That's what I had to do to get in w/ all the cool kids here. But the problem with that is someone has to want to try then.		2009-04-23 03:49:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Yeah... they also talk too much I had like 70 people interested last week but they all left because last week in particular they were too verbose, they would talk nonstop for like 45 minutes without a song... ugh. It wasn't like that before.. it'd be a few songs, some talking, some more songs, a funny segment or two, etc. the talking and immature jokes are cool when you're around friends, but if you want to get really big like they say they want, you have to do something else. lol

I like that they mostly play power metal, and you can click the link to play random metal music videos when their show isn't on. Speaking of metal, I've been playing through head phones lately and they're starting to fizz out in the bass frequencies... ugh... maybe I should get something that costs more than $4.		2009-04-23 04:47:00

Author:
Foofles
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Ya, I can tell what you mean. They're just having fun with friends now. They arn't really trying to run a business. That's how they should do it. A few songs talk a little. Then do some funny stuffy, just like a real radio show. IDK, I guess if they're having fun w/e but if they want to get bigger they have to act more serious. But I think a mix of seriousness and fun would be better than real radio shows you listen to2009-04-23 05:34:00

Author:
Hamsalad
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Yeah... ah well. The music really gets me in the mood to play.2009-04-23 05:54:00

Author:
Foofles
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stratovarius the legendary violinist?

also have any input on the amps foofles (same with thegide when he comes in) It's a beringher 2x12" speakers w/ a foot switch, lots of effects. Or a 2x12" Crate amp no foot switch I don't think i'll double check and some effects I believe. The crates like a year old and the beringher is more new I believe. Both for $150

Well I've played both Crate and Behringer gear, and while neither is particularly spectacular, I'd give my vote to Crate any day of the week. In all honesty I think the sound that comes out of just about any piece of Behringer gear is garbage. I last heard a $1400 Peavey JSX head through a Behringer 4x12" cabinet and I was extremely disappointed. I then heard the same head through a marshall 2x12" and my jaw dropped at the difference.

"Hurry up and get this amp, it sells for retail at $259..." Yes, and there's a reason for that. Would you buy a $99 Wal-Mart guitar? No. Decent combo amps will probably run you about $800 new. If that's too pricey, that Bandit 112 we were discussing earlier is probably your best bet, based on the experience I'm qualified to give on gear in that range.

I guess my point is play as much different gear before you buy to get a feel for what you like. It's important to play expensive gear also to know what the difference is between a $400 solidstate head and a $3000 boutique tube head. Same goes for cabinets. Then, find something in your price range that sounds good to your ears - it doesn't matter what anyone else tells you.

Be wary on the wattage of the amp as well, and same goes for those 4x12" cabinets. There is such thing as too much power - typically amps should be turned up to a certain point for optimum sound quality. A 150W tube head and a 4x12" cabinet would have to be turned up quite loud to get the best sound (this is especially true for tube amps) and if you're trying to play in your bedroom or in an apartment (neighbors) this is probably a no-go.

By the way $400 for 2 4x12"s is a great deal, however that's far more speaker than you'll ever need. A single 4x12" is LOADS unless you're switching outputs/amps or attempting to run stereo.

I would highly recommend checking out your local guitar store and trying amps made by the following MFRs:
Marshall
Roland
Fender
Line 6
Peavey
Crate

Ask a sales clerk for recommendations based on the type of music you want to play. I'd really advise against buying any amp off craigslist unless you would buy that amp NEW from a guitar store.		2009-04-23 20:24:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

Thanks dude, there is a line 6 I saw too. I'll post it here2009-04-23 21:49:00

Author:
Hamsalad
Posts: 2551

http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/1120903001.html here is the line 6

another line 6 , i think it might be a re-list; its cheaper sale-623hr-1122516168@craigslist.org

or a tube amp...looks really old http://madison.craigslist.org/msg/1118644220.html		2009-04-24 01:48:00

Author:
Hamsalad
Posts: 2551

Hmmm... not a huge fan of the regular spiders, but the new higher end one is nice.

Just be sure to try everything, if it's cheap on craigslist there's probably a reason for it.		2009-04-24 02:05:00

Author:
Foofles
Posts: 2278

I just started playing guitar yesterday...

My guitar: (Called an 'Elevation' or something, same as a Fender Stratocaster really. Cost ?130.)
http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/74-5400784A70UC489753M.jpg

My amp: (10 wat cheap one for now. About ?30 I think.)
http://www.argos.co.uk/wcsstore/argos/images/242-0661061SPA68UC407763M.jpg

I had a free guitar lesson and then decided I wanted to buy a guitar later in the same day.		2009-04-24 08:11:00

Author:
S-A-S--G-U-N-R
Posts: 1606

I've been playing acoustic guitar for about 18 months now. Never had a lesson, just picked up a ?70 Countryman and taught myself by printing chords and scales off the internet. I've fallen out of practice lately though, since all my time has been consumed by a videogame which let's you create your own levels and publish them online. I can't remember what it's called though...Small Huge World, or something like that?2009-04-24 15:47:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130

That's awesome you two, what styles do you guys like?2009-04-24 16:20:00

Author:
Foofles
Posts: 2278

Metal, can't play any metal songs yet though. I have to learn loads of chords, scales and some basic tunes like Ironman (very easy).2009-04-24 16:57:00

Author:
S-A-S--G-U-N-R
Posts: 1606

My first song I learned was "Sweet Dreams"-Maryiln Manson...And I played it over and over and over again until my friend wanted to kill me and regretted teaching me hahhaah. And then I think I learned seven nation army....And then I learned "Smells Like Teen Spirit" to practice chords....I would learn power chords right away S-A-S-G-U-N-R.

And would highly highly reccommend you continue lessons with someone good. I'm glad to have some new guitarists here 8)

[Edit]: And i know you weren't asking me but my style varies by a lot. I love to play Sublime, older stuff like Lynard Skynard or Led Zeppliln / Pink Floyd. And I'll play like Green Day / Nirvana / CKY. But recently I started playing more metal like Pantera, "Cow Boys From Hell" Rocks! Also Cumbersome by Seven Marys Three is fun to play		2009-04-24 16:59:00

Author:
Hamsalad
Posts: 2551

Metal, can't play any metal songs yet though. I have to learn loads of chords, scales and some basic tunes like Ironman (very easy).

Did the people giving you the lesson show you the right way of holding the guitar, fretting notes and picking?		2009-04-24 17:16:00

Author:
Foofles
Posts: 2278

Ya it's really important you learn that stuff right away otherwise you will have some bad habits to break....Learn how to hold the pick / guitar correctly and learn your finger placement. I used only my index finger initially lol. For a long time, until I was told by some people I can use more than that...and I was like ooooo haha2009-04-24 17:18:00

Author:
Hamsalad
Posts: 2551

That's awesome you two, what styles do you guys like?


I mostly bang out chords combined with a bit of fingerpicking, relying on my familiarity with the songs I'm playing, rather than following tabs to the exact note. I print the chords for some songs, while others I figure out by ear.

I play mostly indie, americana and old classics. My current favourite song to play is I Don't Want To Set The World On Fire by Ink Spots, which you might know from Fallout 3?		2009-04-24 17:38:00

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I mostly bang out chords combined with a bit of fingerpicking, relying on my familiarity with the songs I'm playing, rather than following tabs to the exact note. I print the chords for some songs, while others I figure out by ear.

I play mostly indie, americana and old classics. My current favourite song to play is I Don't Want To Set The World On Fire by Ink Spots, which you might know from Fallout 3?

That's a good song, even though I've never played Fallout 3 hehe That's cool.		2009-04-24 17:53:00

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Did the people giving you the lesson show you the right way of holding the guitar, fretting notes and picking?

Umm... yeah they taught me that, knew that already though. Just taught myself the first part of Smoke On The Water.		2009-04-24 18:05:00

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S-A-S--G-U-N-R
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Hmm if I never got into video gaming, there's a good chance I'd be playing music for a living instead.... oops.

Yeah, gaming sucks away lots of time that I'd otherwise have devoted to my craft.		2009-04-24 21:13:00

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Ya...I have a battle going on for me...I play guitar really hard core and then never play games...But then sometimes I get sucked back into games..But for the most part i would say im a guitarist more than gamer. Also Thegide want to be a bad guy in my story I write? A general of the undead army to be exact2009-04-24 21:15:00

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Anyone in the NYC area? Free show with tons of bands going on at brooklyn college!

Battle of the bands, including my friend's band Turbulence! (Not the same friends that host the radio show, unfortunately. Their bands own.)

Date:
Tuesday, May 5, 2009
Time:
8:00pm - 11:00pm
Location:
The main quad at Brooklyn College		2009-04-27 01:44:00

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Ya...I have a battle going on for me...I play guitar really hard core and then never play games...But then sometimes I get sucked back into games..But for the most part i would say im a guitarist more than gamer. Also Thegide want to be a bad guy in my story I write? A general of the undead army to be exact

Sure I'll be a bad guy! Does this make me a necromancer?		2009-04-27 17:58:00

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Sweet! After a long awaited amp search, I think I'm getting a Peavey 212 tube amp for $250 !! I just started messaging a dude from craigslist..He was asking $300 but he said if I get it tonight he'll do $2502009-04-29 01:14:00

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Hamsalad
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That sounds alright. Make sure you bring your guitar and play it before you take it ^^.

Also, be sure to find out when the last time the tubes were changed, and what kind (and how many) tubes it takes.

If it's been played for 10 years without a tube change, I'd say that's the first order of business if you buy it.		2009-04-29 15:40:00

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That sounds alright. Make sure you bring your guitar and play it before you take it ^^.

Also, be sure to find out when the last time the tubes were changed, and what kind (and how many) tubes it takes.

If it's been played for 10 years without a tube change, I'd say that's the first order of business if you buy it.

What's a tube? 		2009-04-29 15:53:00

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I played it, it sounds pretty good. I want to get a footswitch though. I'll have to ask him about the tubes. He told me this story about how he stopped playing it a while ago when it just stopped playing when he was jamming. And he told some guy about it and he asked if he checked the fuse, and apparently he changed this fuse and it worked fine again. IDK how believable that story is. That guy seemed kind of sketchy, didn't really look like a guitar player but he seemed to know about the amp.

[Edit]: He just told me he got it in 2001 and never changed the tubes......But I don't really think he played it that much either but that's still a while.

And tubes are used in a different kind of amp, called tube amps. I don't know too much about the technical side of them, so thegide will probably want to answer that. I just know I've been told they are louder than a solid state amp.		2009-04-29 16:55:00

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It's a different kind of circuit resulting in a different kind of saturation in the distortion. Typically they are much louder at the same wattage, but now they have "hybrid" setups with a tube preamp but a solid state power amp.

I'm not sure what to make of that story... It's kind of weird to hear that it just stopped working suddenly. It's possible one of the tubes wore out, but you tried it yourself so you probably got a feel for whether the sound was wearing thin or not. Still... who knows...		2009-04-29 21:21:00

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Ya I mean it seemed fine and I turned it up pretty loud. Like you said if the sound was "wearing thing" is that just a tube change or what do you have to do? Cause he bought it about 8 years ago according to him but I dont think he played much2009-04-29 21:25:00

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Hamsalad
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Well, I bought my Mesa Triple Rectifier (loud as hell rock & metal tube amp) from a guy who looked like a businessman. You really can't judge the player by appearance.

If the amp is an '01, I'd suggest changing the tubes regardless of how many hours have been played on them.

Fuses do go on amps... I've had it happen on my practice amp twice, and yeah, no fuse = no worky. Fortunately fuses are cheap to replace. So, the story doesn't sound nearly as fishy to me, but then again, I didn't meet the guy.

You're always taking a risk when you buy used. I've bought two amps, a power amp, a speaker cab, floorboard (footswitch panel), and 2 rack cases all used with no complaints. My amp alone would have cost me over $5000 new, but through some good used deals, I built it for a little over $2000.

Point is, you should always know exactly what you're buying beforehand and it's a good idea to buy only stuff in near-new condition, preferably with manuals and warranty cards (and receipts) included.

Guitar gear can be very expensive. If you truly don't have the money, it might be wise not to buy anything rather than risk the money you do have on ratty used gear that might fail you and cost you more in the long run.		2009-05-01 20:56:00

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Sounds good man, thanks a lot! I was just wondering; since the tubes are that old when I change them will it make it sound better or warm up faster? Or can anything bad happen from not changing them ?

Also know if like any Peavey footswitch would work for it or does it have to be made for it?		2009-05-04 19:54:00

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I've now learned the start of Master of Puppets, the main riff of One, Back in Black (simple bit at start), some Linkin Park songs (I think it was Crawling and In the End), also some chords and scales.2009-05-05 22:22:00

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I just learnt the main riff to ' Reincarnation of Benjamin Breeg' i love that riff =]2009-05-06 17:24:00

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Just re-posting what I did earlier to get a response.

"Sounds good man, thanks a lot! I was just wondering; since the tubes are that old when I change them will it make it sound better or warm up faster? Or can anything bad happen from not changing them ?

Also know if like any Peavey footswitch would work for it or does it have to be made for it?"

But that's awesome you two. I just learned Seek and Destroy; well most of it at least		2009-05-11 18:50:00

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Hamsalad
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If any of you can record, the Sackcast members need a guitarist to play a rhythm for them.

Check out the thread here. (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=p=201165#post201165)

I can play it, so it's not hard, I just don't have a recorder.		2009-05-12 00:25:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Cool thanks Whaaale, I posted in there.2009-05-12 00:38:00

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Hamsalad
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At my last guitar lesson I learned some more new scales, Slither by Velvet Revolver, Dark Night by Deep Purple and Wild Thing for chord practice (very easy).

I've been told by a few people now that Seven Nation Army is an easy one to learn so I might learn that in 2 days.

EDIT: Just taught myself the whole song, with the solo! It was the easiest song ever!		2009-05-17 18:01:00

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At my last guitar lesson I learned some more new scales, Slither by Velvet Revolver, Dark Night by Deep Purple and Wild Thing for chord practice (very easy).

I've been told by a few people now that Seven Nation Army is an easy one to learn so I might learn that in 2 days.

that was one of my first songs i learned		2009-05-17 18:25:00

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Hamsalad
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Haha Same. 2009-05-17 18:46:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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Learned how to play sweet child o' mine rhythm/ lead and more new scales.2009-05-22 01:15:00

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S-A-S--G-U-N-R
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It took me less than an hour to learn Californication by RHCP, not a hard song but it definitely is an amazing one.

Now I just need tons of effects. 		2009-05-22 01:20:00

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Learned how to play sweet child o' mine rhythm/ lead and more new scales.

how long have you been playing for? Because I remember the lead main riff was tricky for me to learn when I first tried to learn it.


[Edit]:Ya Whaaale I love that song. I learned the intro I havn't learned the whole thing. It's a fun one though.

A side note guys; I might be joining a cover band. I have to learn some songs and audition for them. They are playing older music. I'll link the songs he told me to learn.

Journey: Separate Ways
Kansas: Point Of No Return /// Carry On My Wayward Son
Styx: Grand Illusion //// Renegade
Bon Jovi: Run Away /// You Give Love A Bad Name /// It's My Life
REO Speed wagon: Riding The Storm Out /// Roll With The Changes		2009-05-22 01:58:00

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how long have you been playing for? Because I remember the lead main riff was tricky for me to learn when I first tried to learn it.


[Edit]:Ya Whaaale I love that song. I learned the intro I havn't learned the whole thing. It's a fun one though.

A side note guys; I might be joining a cover band. I have to learn some songs and audition for them. They are playing older music. I'll link the songs he told me to learn.

Journey: Separate Ways
Kansas: Point Of No Return /// Carry On My Wayward Son
Styx: Grand Illusion //// Renegade
Bon Jovi: Run Away /// You Give Love A Bad Name /// It's My Life
REO Speed wagon: Riding The Storm Out /// Roll With The Changes

That song is amazing.		2009-05-22 02:10:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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how long have you been playing for? Because I remember the lead main riff was tricky for me to learn when I first tried to learn it.

5 weeks and one day. 		2009-05-22 07:45:00

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S-A-S--G-U-N-R
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That song is amazing.

Ya, I love that song. I started learning it a long while ago. And started relearning it again last night. I"m going to have to end up learning like 35 songs for that band. IDK if I'm good enough yet to just be able to pump out songs like that. I guess I"ll have to see.		2009-05-22 17:35:00

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Hamsalad
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5 weeks and one day.

Actually it's 4 weeks and one day, I just checked.		2009-05-22 18:41:00

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Have you played any other instruments or anythign else before2009-05-22 18:59:00

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Hamsalad
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Only just found this thread, where have I been? I've been playing guitar for 8 years, self tutored, and I'm more of an experimental guitarist like Adam Jones from Tool. I can be quite a shredder, but when it comes to composing, music comes first before doodles. All I need to learn now is how to sweep pick... Help?2009-05-22 20:48:00

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Im dabbling with sweep picking. I've only been playing a year and 5 months or so. But I play quite a bit. For sweep picking you pretty much just need to find a good excercise and practice it hours on end. (There's no magic trick to it, just tons of tedious practice like everything else.)

And the biggest trick with it is the up pick motion when your done going all the way down, that up motion needs to be fast so you stay on rythem.

I would also highly reccommend taking lessons. You get a lot more out of spending even half an hour with a veteran guitarist.		2009-05-22 20:51:00

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Hamsalad
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Ya, I love that song. I started learning it a long while ago. And started relearning it again last night. I"m going to have to end up learning like 35 songs for that band. IDK if I'm good enough yet to just be able to pump out songs like that. I guess I"ll have to see.

Yeah dude, me and my band have to play 30+ songs for a concert for our church, it's a 3 day concert. Man it's gonna be crazy.		2009-05-22 20:52:00

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Ya, that's quite a bit of songs to know front to back. I don't even know like 5 songs front to back now. I mainly just practice scales and techniques and make up my own stuff / learn just riffs out of songs.

[Edit]: Also I started learning Carry On My Wayward Son again last night, and I was just trying to change one note to play as opposed to how I used to play it and it was a pain in the ***. Because My muscle memory was still locked on the old way so I had to fight with myself to play it differently. (And the funny thing is I hadn't even played it that old way in a long time.)		2009-05-22 20:57:00

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Have you played any other instruments or anythign else before

Keyboard up to grade 1 (played for less tha a year)- then I got bored and stopped. I just decided to play guitar 3 years after and I will hopefully keep playing for a long time.		2009-05-24 03:06:00

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Looking to buy a new guitar pretty soon, and i have been looking at (and playing) the PRS SE mdels - more specifically the custom 24 and SE trem models.
Anyone know anything about PRS that might be useful to me? I know the SE are the korean made versions, but i REALLY can't afford like ?1000 for an American one or whatever they are.... lol		2009-05-29 11:41:00

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I'm reviving this, because I can and I have some stuff to say.

First of all, I got my new guitar, the Ibanez RG350DX and let me tell you this guitar is a beauty. I love the look and the feel, but unfortunately the tremolo bridge is killing me!

For one thing, the day I bought it, I come home and find out that every single string is out of tune. So I tried to tune it, little did I know how insanely difficult it would be, and I had forgotten what you guys had told me.

So I kept tuning the high E and then went to the next string, I never checked the high E string until I was done with the low E, going back to double check, everything was out of tune again.

Bam! It hit me (what you guys had said on this thread) and I was like "Oh Noes!"

To make matters worse? My bridge had risen to a very high angle, I didn't touch it after this and I went to guitar center the next day to get them to fix it. Now to my suprise, none of the workers new what to do to fix it, (none of the workers at the time knew how to tune a tremolo bridge.)

So what did I do? I drove back home, and tried to fix it myself (probably a wrong move but it kind of worked)

I unlocked the little knots at the top of the neck, and tuned all the strings from the top to get them as close as possible. I then used the fine tuners at the bottom to get them to the right tuning, after that I locked the system and was happy, I started playing for a few days and then I went to church and played, now the sound was absolutely amazing. It was so good that I could actually hear the difference from an Em and an Em7, which I wouldn't be able to differ with my other guitar.

So I went home, and I wake up the next morning to try to play it. After 2 hours or so of playing it, I checked to see if the tuning was still spot on and unfortunately, the D string had become a Db and the E string was literally spazzing out. I don't know if it's the tuning on my amp but I'll strum the string once, and it'll tell me it's an Eb, i'll strum in again and it'll say its a G? Then once more, and it's all of a sudden a B? I don't know what's up and I really don't want to go through the hassle I went the night I tuned it all up.

I mean the locking system is there so all the strings stay in tune even when abusing the whammy (dive bombs, wails, etc...) I hadn't even done anything like that and the strings were out of tune? What went wrong here?

I don't even think I'll be using the whammy bar that much, and a lot of the songs I play switch from standard to drop D, then maybe back to standard, then half a step down... Is it really worth it if I have to go through all that hassle everytime? I know I'm pretty much whining because I've only tuned it once but it shouldn't of (I think) went out of tune in the first place, maybe it was because I tuned it improperly? Should I go back to Guitar Center and find a technician to tune it? Or should I get a different guitar?

If any of you know a guitar with a great sound/versatility and doesn't use a tremolo system please provide a link because I don't think I can handle this guitar, especially in my case where I tune the strings a LOT!

Thanks! Sorry there isn't a TLDR version. 		2009-06-28 00:59:00

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Whalio Cappuccino
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I can't help, but this may help me because the guitar i might buy has one of those, and i'll no doubt have the same problem... >_<

Also i have learnt 'Halo' by Machine Head =]		2009-06-28 03:20:00

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I'm reviving this, because I can and I have some stuff to say.

First of all, I got my new guitar, the Ibanez RG350DX and let me tell you this guitar is a beauty. I love the look and the feel, but unfortunately the tremolo bridge is killing me!

For one thing, the day I bought it, I come home and find out that every single string is out of tune. So I tried to tune it, little did I know how insanely difficult it would be, and I had forgotten what you guys had told me.

So I kept tuning the high E and then went to the next string, I never checked the high E string until I was done with the low E, going back to double check, everything was out of tune again.

Bam! It hit me (what you guys had said on this thread) and I was like "Oh Noes!"

To make matters worse? My bridge had risen to a very high angle, I didn't touch it after this and I went to guitar center the next day to get them to fix it. Now to my suprise, none of the workers new what to do to fix it, (none of the workers at the time knew how to tune a tremolo bridge.)

So what did I do? I drove back home, and tried to fix it myself (probably a wrong move but it kind of worked)

I unlocked the little knots at the top of the neck, and tuned all the strings from the top to get them as close as possible. I then used the fine tuners at the bottom to get them to the right tuning, after that I locked the system and was happy, I started playing for a few days and then I went to church and played, now the sound was absolutely amazing. It was so good that I could actually hear the difference from an Em and an Em7, which I wouldn't be able to differ with my other guitar.

So I went home, and I wake up the next morning to try to play it. After 2 hours or so of playing it, I checked to see if the tuning was still spot on and unfortunately, the D string had become a Db and the E string was literally spazzing out. I don't know if it's the tuning on my amp but I'll strum the string once, and it'll tell me it's an Eb, i'll strum in again and it'll say its a G? Then once more, and it's all of a sudden a B? I don't know what's up and I really don't want to go through the hassle I went the night I tuned it all up.

I mean the locking system is there so all the strings stay in tune even when abusing the whammy (dive bombs, wails, etc...) I hadn't even done anything like that and the strings were out of tune? What went wrong here?

I don't even think I'll be using the whammy bar that much, and a lot of the songs I play switch from standard to drop D, then maybe back to standard, then half a step down... Is it really worth it if I have to go through all that hassle everytime? I know I'm pretty much whining because I've only tuned it once but it shouldn't of (I think) went out of tune in the first place, maybe it was because I tuned it improperly? Should I go back to Guitar Center and find a technician to tune it? Or should I get a different guitar?

If any of you know a guitar with a great sound/versatility and doesn't use a tremolo system please provide a link because I don't think I can handle this guitar, especially in my case where I tune the strings a LOT!

Thanks! Sorry there isn't a TLDR version.


Hmmm... I would have a good tech take a crack at it first. Not familar with this particular model, but it sounds like you have the trem spring tension unbalanced with the tension of the strings. Usually that happens if you attempt to unloosen too many strings at once or over tighten the strings.

Oh and get a decent tuning machine.. it will save you many brain cells.

Good luck!


Looking to buy a new guitar pretty soon, and i have been looking at (and playing) the PRS SE mdels - more specifically the custom 24 and SE trem models.
Anyone know anything about PRS that might be useful to me? I know the SE are the korean made versions, but i REALLY can't afford like ?1000 for an American one or whatever they are.... lol

I know that they are my fav electric guitar and rarely touch anything else. I love the locking system. Changing strings is quite cool and easy. Love the feel and the way they play. To me it is the best of Gibson full sound meets the playability of a strat. ..and the controls are easy and make sense to me. I am more into having a trem on an electric, so the CE 24 and Custom 24's have been my weapon of choice.

I would suggest looking around the used guitars at local music stores as well as if there is any sort of vintage guitar magazine of sorts in England. I used to travel quite a bit with a prior job and would get check out guitar stores around the country. I happened into a really nice used PRS CE 24 down in Mobile Alabama that "followed me home" and is still my fav today. I have a nicer PRS Custom 24 with a 10 flame top in antique yellow. It cost a mint, but it still glows as much as I smile every time I open the case. I just play the older one more often as it is a bit thinner neck and nicely broke in.		2009-06-28 03:27:00

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I've learned a lot of songs since I was last on here. Some more recent ones are parts of the solo/ the tapping solo of Ride the Lightning and One, the riff of All Nightmare Long and a lot of other easy riffs. I'm also learning fills, knowing which notes to bend in scales, how to play around notes in scales and how to make solos.

Edit: I have been playing guitar for about 10 weeks now and I plan to use my stratocaster-like guitar for as long as possible. I think it's a bit soon for me to get another guitar now but someone I know, who has been playing guitar (without lessons) for 8 weeks, has already bought a Dave Mustaine signature V Dean guitar for ?300+ and gave his Strat back to who gave it to him for free (with new strings, just fitted). He doesn't even have an amp yet and can only play very few things. -_-

Here's a picture of the guitar he got:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31kJMqIJQqL._SS500_.jpg		2009-06-30 08:02:00

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That... is a sick guitar! That's the kind you don't even play, you just mount it on the wall and look at it.

Anyway, I've been playing for, oh, about two years seriously. I've got an Ibanez Gio that I love. It's the standard black with a white pick guard, nothing fancy but it's still cool. I've been using red-coated strings because they look epic. At the moment, I'm working through my book of Iron Maiden tabs. I've got most of songs like Run to the Hills and Flight of Icarus down, right now I'm working on Wasted Years. I'm also trying to write some stuff, but it's rather hard for me... Also, I find myself in need of a new amp (mine is tiny and doesn't do much) and/or some effects pedals. My amp has a distortion button, but that's about all it does...		2009-07-15 17:12:00

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I tried to Learn 'Shogun' By Trivium. I failed. Badly.2009-07-15 20:54:00

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I don't blame you... I haven't heard the song, but I know that Trivium is thrash metal and thrash is wicked hard to play. Like, I know about half of Master of Puppets, and that's about all I will ever know.2009-07-15 21:10:00

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Shogun would be the 11 minute title track off their new album....

YouTube - Trivium - Shogun

That should be all of it.. .Though you have to skip in about a minute to get to the actual song...

They play on 7 string guitars though, so it was kinda wierd trying to make it for 6 strings....

So yeah, fail...		2009-07-18 13:42:00

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I hate when bands use 7-strings or something, but you don't know it at first until you try to learn a song. Same thing happened to me when I tried to learn Coming Undone. Easy song, but it's got an extra string, so I can't do it. I was sad.2009-07-18 16:08:00

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Well my problem wasn't only that, but until i listened to a lot of the album focusing on the actual guitar i didn't notice how hard bits of it actually were >_< lol2009-07-18 16:10:00

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Haha, yeah, I can understand that, too. Like, trying to learn some Iron Maiden stuff, you realize just how hard it really is to play. Prime example: Number of the Beast. Doesn't sound like it would be too hard, but they switch from playing full chords to just a string to a different power chord. It's pretty crazy stuff.2009-07-18 16:17:00

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Yeah... I can play Flight of Icarus, though i struggle with the solo a bit, or i did when i last tried it, but that was a while ago.

My biggest problem with metal is fast alternate picking, and changing from string to string while doing it... For example the Beast and The Harlot solo... i can play bit's of it, but then when you are going quickly in sets of 4 notes up and down different strings, i can't quite do it, especially on the a and d strings...		2009-07-18 16:24:00

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I can play Flight of Icarus, too, but I also have some solo troubles... All that rapid hammering and pulling messes me up...

I suck at alt picking, so I normally go for the Metallica-style all down stroke method that makes your hand want to fall off at the wrist after five minutes of playing. And on Beast and the Harlot, he might be sweep picking. I should listen to the song again, but it could be a possibility. If not, it's just cos it's an A7X solo, which are wicked hard (and just plain wicked, haha).		2009-07-18 16:31:00

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He definitely doesn't sweep it, he goes like this (i think)

e------------------------------------------
b-------------------------------------------------------------
g ----------------------8-7-6-5--------------------------
d-------------5-6-7-8----------8-7-6-5----------------------------
a----5-6-7-8------------------------------------------------
d --------------------------------------------------------------

kinda like that, going up getting higher and higher... yeah >_<		2009-07-18 20:06:00

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Oh, geez... Yeah, that's not sweep picking at all... That's just hard. What's the tempo for that song, d'you know? Knowing A7X it's probably like 220 or more...2009-07-18 21:50:00

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Well, guys, I'm double posting, but I don't think we should let this thread die. Yeah, so, my guitar teacher had to stop teaching me after like two years, so I'm not really sure what I should do now, whether I should just try to teach myself or get another teacher or what... I really just want to work on writing some stuff, but I'm not really sure how and my teacher never really explained how to write the kinda stuff I want to... Maybe I'll just faff about a bit on my own for a while and see what happens... Input?2009-07-21 22:08:00

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I always teach myself... Theory i'm not too good at, but i'm getting better...


There are PLENTY of resources on the internet - check out www.cyberfret.com for example, that can be quite helpful 		2009-07-21 23:00:00

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Well, guys, I'm double posting, but I don't think we should let this thread die. Yeah, so, my guitar teacher had to stop teaching me after like two years, so I'm not really sure what I should do now, whether I should just try to teach myself or get another teacher or what... I really just want to work on writing some stuff, but I'm not really sure how and my teacher never really explained how to write the kinda stuff I want to... Maybe I'll just faff about a bit on my own for a while and see what happens... Input?

I would mess around on your own for awhile and see what happens. Make sounds that you really enjoy and see where it takes you. ..verse, chorus and a transition or two and you have the makings of a song.

I've been in a local band for a number of years. When we are writing music as we do quite a few originals, the only thing "written down" was the lyrics. ..and I have yet to have a lesson, although I have probably played guitar longer than most of you have been alive. yikes.. scary thought!		2009-07-22 00:51:00

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I always teach myself... Theory i'm not too good at, but i'm getting better...


There are PLENTY of resources on the internet - check out www.cyberfret.com for example, that can be quite helpful Theory is quite confusing at first, but I had that in my lessons and a year of guitar at school, so I think I understand it rather well. My problem with teaching myself is that I sometimes miss things like how those three notes there are actually a chord and I could just put the chord down and be happy...

I'll check that site out, too. Thanks for the advice.



I would mess around on your own for awhile and see what happens. Make sounds that you really enjoy and see where it takes you. ..verse, chorus and a transition or two and you have the makings of a song.

I've been in a local band for a number of years. When we are writing music as we do quite a few originals, the only thing "written down" was the lyrics. ..and I have yet to have a lesson, although I have probably played guitar longer than most of you have been alive. yikes.. scary thought!Yeah, I think I was leaning towards that route, anyway. Like, mess around, see what sounds good sometimes, or maybe look up some tabs for a song and try to learn it (I've been listening to Pantera's Walk for a while and I might take a whack at that). It really all depends, but not having lessons has freed up another day for me to do other stuff over the summer, so it's ok, really. So, when you guys have like a band meeting or something, how exactly do you write stuff? Do you just kinda mess around and see what sounds good together or what? I'm just asking cos I've been wanted to get in a band for a while, but I don't know how to start one and stuff, you know how it goes...		2009-07-22 01:15:00

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Yeah, I think I was leaning towards that route, anyway. Like, mess around, see what sounds good sometimes, or maybe look up some tabs for a song and try to learn it (I've been listening to Pantera's Walk for a while and I might take a whack at that). It really all depends, but not having lessons has freed up another day for me to do other stuff over the summer, so it's ok, really. So, when you guys have like a band meeting or something, how exactly do you write stuff? Do you just kinda mess around and see what sounds good together or what? I'm just asking cos I've been wanted to get in a band for a while, but I don't know how to start one and stuff, you know how it goes...

Most of the time, one of us has an idea of some sort before we worry about it. It might be a verse or a chorus. Sometimes even most or all of the song. Once we all start learning it and playing it the arrangement comes out. We may add or pull bits.. someone else might come up with a transition or suggest the drums do something else here or there.. Hard telling. Really a fun adventure feeding off each others ideas like that.		2009-07-22 01:29:00

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Sounds like a very interesting approach to writing. What kind of stuff do you play mostly?2009-07-22 01:34:00

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Sounds like a very interesting approach to writing. What kind of stuff do you play mostly?

Well to be honest, I haven't seen them in awhile as I have been busy as well as other members doing other life type stuff. Just haven't "officially" broken up.

Rock, Metal, blues.. Quite a bit is original, but if you list the covers we have played.. anything from Chuck Berry, to Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Stones, STP, Rush, Creed, AC/DC, Sabbath, Dio, Rainbow, Foo Fighters, Who... kinda all over the place.

If we had a defining sound it would be a combo of The Who, meets Zeppelin, playing Rush styled Who and Zeppelin songs. ..with a bit of Stones tossed in here and there.		2009-07-22 02:09:00

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xD That's quite the combination.

So, anyway, I checked out that site that maid3n linked up there^ and it has some really cool stuff up there. Last night I started teaching myself to sweep pick, which is probably something I could never have learned with my teacher, so it looks like teaching myself might work out ok after all.		2009-07-22 17:38:00

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Sweeping >_< I hate it, but only because i can't do it However much i practice it... Sounds amazing when youa re good though... Check Alexi Laiho's sweeps :O2009-07-23 18:19:00

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Yeah, it's really hard to do, but I really want to master it. Sure, it'll take a while, but it's not like I've got much going on this summer. I think it's funny how people think it's a new technique, though. I'm pretty sure this kid who used to go to my school thought the guitarist from BTBAM started it. I didn't know about it before, so I just accepted it. Then I found it it's been around since like Dream Theatre and stuff. I found humour in the situation.2009-07-23 18:50:00

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BTBAM? sorry, brain isn't working at the moment >_<2009-07-24 00:21:00

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It's something like Between/Beneath and Buried and Me. Iunno, I don't think they're that good, honestly...2009-07-24 16:50:00

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I'm writing a song called Chtulhu Fhtagn. It's gonna be so good it'll make you explode.2009-08-01 02:19:00

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Just ordered a Schecter Synyster Gates custom hellraiser ^_^2009-08-02 20:23:00

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Nice, dude. Pictures will likely be in order when you get it, I think...

I've discovered that I can't play be ear. I was trying to figure out how to play this song by Amon Amarth and it just didn't work out. I was sad.		2009-08-04 16:56:00

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I can play Green Day by Ear But that is it :'( lol..

GreenDay and My Chemical Romance make good warm up songs though

I'm learning Betrayed by A7X - so far i only have the intro and clean solo down though :'(		2009-08-04 21:40:00

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Anyone can learn Green Day by ear, they suck.

Good luck with that. I might look up tabs later for that Amon Amarth song.		2009-08-05 15:51:00

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yeah, Greenday are kinda fail lol.2009-08-05 17:09:00

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