LittleBigPlanet General #3
Always test test the water before you jump in!
Archive: 774 posts
| Don't get me wrong, I think they deserve to be in it. In fact, all the great creators out there do. But, you know... just giving it to them, after they already got one beta that many didn't? It seems like a bit of a slap in the face to everyone who applies and doesn't get in. There is already a seperate client for the Beta, the people testing now have that client already so its just a case of dropping the new stuff into it without changing anything drastic. The testers also know the report procedure and how things work within the Beta, making them easy first candidates. They've said more people are being added, just be patient and wait to see if you're drown out off the hat or not. If you are'nt, its coming anyway, and will be mostly bug free. Beta's can sometimes be no fun anyway, constant crashes, loss of work, and things simply just not working as they should, or at all. | 2009-08-29 16:44:00 Author: GruntosUK  Posts: 1754 |
| I bet they changed their minds about the beta being free to people outside of the OC beta... | 2009-08-29 16:45:00 Author: Kobe24Life  Posts: 150 |
| Yeah, and they paid so much money for anoucing the BETA widely. It would be a beginner error. Just be a little patient... | 2009-08-29 16:49:00 Author: Takelow  Posts: 1355 |
| I bet they changed their minds about the beta being free to people outside of the OC beta... Why would they do that? And disappoint thousands of loyal customers that have played the game for months. Announcing something publicly, thats gathered this much excitement, and then saying you in fact can't have it, would not be good for them. | 2009-08-29 16:49:00 Author: GruntosUK Posts: 1754 |
| if you didn't get in the beta is it really such a big problem? you should be happy you can create and play with others rather than be sad because you never got the beta | 2009-08-29 16:50:00 Author: Kern  Posts: 5078 |
| if you didn't get in the beta is it really such a big problem? you should be happy you can create and play with others rather than be sad because you never got the betaNot too mention that you can still get into the beta, as has been said a thousand times already. Just be patient, it won't be here any faster if you complain. | 2009-08-29 16:53:00 Author: Syroc  Posts: 3193 |
| Not too mention that you can still get into the beta, as has been said a thousand times already. Just be patient, it won't be here any faster if you complain. what i meant was if you don't. | 2009-08-29 16:56:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Oh, right. My comment was more an addendum than anything else really. :-) | 2009-08-29 16:58:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| Ok, I give up. It's way too late to try to cover it up, and I don't like misinformation, so here it is, laid out on the table: Those who were already in the Online Create Beta currently have water. I can load up my beta client right now and go for a swim if I felt like it. Those who applied for access into the Water Beta have not been invited yet - the first wave of invites were actually supposed to have gone out already, but due to some legal issues on Sony's end, the invites were delayed. I do not know when the invites are going out to applicants, but I do know that Mm is irritated (as I believe they planned to get OC testers and applicants in at the same time) and, while there's hardly anything they can do to speed up the process, they're trying to push Sony as much as they can. | 2009-08-29 19:33:00 Author: ConfusedCartman  Posts: 3729 |
| Ok, I give up. It's way too late to try to cover it up, and I don't like misinformation, so here it is, laid out on the table: Those who were already in the Online Create Beta currently have water. I can load up my beta client right now and go for a swim if I felt like it. Those who applied for access into the Water Beta have not been invited yet - the first wave of invites were actually supposed to have gone out already, but due to some legal issues on Sony's end, the invites were delayed. I do not know when the invites are going out to applicants, but I do know that Mm is irritated (as I believe they planned to get OC testers and applicants in at the same time) and, while there's hardly anything they can do to speed up the process, they're trying to push Sony as much as they can. I won't re-type everything I said over in the other thread about this, (In the everything else LBP section) but I don't think they want this to be common knowledge yet. It created a few problems with jealousy over at the LittleBigWorkshop but maybe the people here will understand that the invites are coming as soon as possible. | 2009-08-29 19:56:00 Author: Silverpanther  Posts: 156 |
| I won't re-type everything I said over in the other thread about this, (In the everything else LBP section) but I don't think they want this to be common knowledge yet. It created a few problems with jealousy over at the LittleBigWorkshop but maybe the people here will understand that the invites are coming as soon as possible. Yes, I know, and as I said in the other thread, it's already common knowledge. The problem is, the "facts" that are getting slung around are incorrect, and I'm done watching people freak out over misinformation. | 2009-08-29 20:01:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| Common knowledge is an interesting thing. Whenever you think everyone knows something, no one does. Whenever you think no one knows something, everyone does. | 2009-08-29 20:03:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| Yes, I know, and as I said in the other thread, it's already common knowledge. The problem is, the "facts" that are getting slung around are incorrect, and I'm done watching people freak out over misinformation. Misinformation is one thing but that isn't the reason it was kept secret. The reason was jealousy. People won't like the fact that the OC beta testers got in first..... it will turn into the hate that MM got when the costumes that the beta people exclusively got were revealed. | 2009-08-29 20:06:00 Author: Silverpanther Posts: 156 |
| Misinformation is one thing but that isn't the reason it was kept secret. The reason was jealousy. People won't like the fact that the OC beta testers got in first..... it will turn into the hate that MM got when the costumes that the beta people exclusively got were revealed. Will it? My post sharing the information above has already been thanked by a number of people who are waiting, and you're the only person to post to say it might be a bad idea. Well, just in case, let me reiterate: The first wave of invites were actually supposed to have gone out already, but due to some legal issues on Sony's end, the invites were delayed. I do not know when the invites are going out to applicants, but I do know that Mm is irritated (as I believe they planned to get OC testers and applicants in at the same time) and, while there's hardly anything they can do to speed up the process, they're trying to push Sony as much as they can. | 2009-08-29 20:14:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| *OmegaSlayer shrugs* Thanks for the info. I'm sorry for MM guys. I hope their business with Sony won't get ruined. Jealousy is stupid. Really, I will be upset if a 10 years old gets in, or if someone with multiple accounts gets multiple invites. Besides that, I'm fine, I had only hoped it would have been released this week since it was the last week that I had a reduced work schedule, but from Monday I'll be back full throttle and my gaming time will be decreased of at least 4 hours.  And I'm confident with the beta testers around here. EDIT: at least 1 week ahead for the OC testers is more than fine. | 2009-08-29 20:14:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| so the first wave was today??? | 2009-08-29 21:05:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| The first wave of invites were actually supposed to have gone out already, but due to some legal issues on Sony's end, the invites were delayed. I do not know when the invites are going out to applicants, but I do know that Mm is irritated (as I believe they planned to get OC testers and applicants in at the same time) and, while there's hardly anything they can do to speed up the process, they're trying to push Sony as much as they can. It was "officialy" stated several times some posts ago... | 2009-08-29 21:19:00 Author: Takelow Posts: 1355 |
| omg i think im bleeding excitment!! i cant wait! i hope i get in, i hope i hope i hope D: | 2009-08-29 21:24:00 Author: SlinkDewar  Posts: 70 |
But if they have done a good job so far with the OC BETA, why on hell would you like that Mm do not ask them to continue?  There is already a seperate client for the Beta, the people testing now have that client already so its just a case of dropping the new stuff into it without changing anything drastic. The testers also know the report procedure and how things work within the Beta, making them easy first candidates. They've said more people are being added, just be patient and wait to see if you're drown out off the hat or not. If you are'nt, its coming anyway, and will be mostly bug free. Beta's can sometimes be no fun anyway, constant crashes, loss of work, and things simply just not working as they should, or at all. This is making me look like the bad guy... but I'm not, seriously. I was just saying that people who don't get in might be annoyed... Anyway, until all the invites get out, I guess this is a moot point, because nobody can say they didn't get in yet.  | 2009-08-29 21:33:00 Author: alexbull_uk  Posts: 1287 |
| This is making me look like the bad guy... but I'm not, seriously. I was just saying that people who don't get in might be annoyed... Anyway, until all the invites get out, I guess this is a moot point, because nobody can say they didn't get in yet. that means the fiirst wave is not begon  i think in about 2 houres it wil release | 2009-08-29 21:37:00 Author: Unknown User |
| i think in about 2 houres it wil release ...at 11:40pm on a Saturday? | 2009-08-29 21:40:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| ...at 11:40pm on a Saturday? that would be fail. | 2009-08-29 21:40:00 Author: Unknown User |
| ha monday then | 2009-08-29 21:44:00 Author: Unknown User |
| OMG please guys STOP THE MADNESS! This is not Sparta, this is LBP!!! Really, let's get cool with CCartman news. With 520+ posts we're going a bit too far for something that, at the moment is fried air. Let's try to stop the jealousy, the disappointment, the anxiety. Let's go make some wonderful fun level and try to post here the next time only if we got in. There's no point in blabbering here so much, switch your PS3 on and play, have fun! Is it too difficult? Bye, see you soon on this thread I hope. | 2009-08-29 21:49:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| I think I've got a bad case of hydro or aquaphobia coming on, gulp!!!!! | 2009-08-29 23:04:00 Author: mrsvista  Posts: 755 |
| ^Me too, can't wait to see if i got in. | 2009-08-29 23:17:00 Author: applepod124 Posts: 163 |
| Cartman why don't you put up a big red sticky like the ones we get to dismiss. Only this one we DON'T get to dismiss. Have it say "Invites not sent out. Noone knows anything. Everything is speculation. The cake is a lie!" Prob solved. | 2009-08-30 00:00:00 Author: BasketSnake  Posts: 2391 |
| Cartman why don't you put up a big red sticky like the ones we get to dismiss. Only this one we DON'T get to dismiss. Have it say "Invites not sent out. Noone knows anything. Everything is speculation. The cake is a lie!" Prob solved. Because it seems to have quieted down for the moment. If it gets out of hand I may do that, but it depends on what happens from here on out. | 2009-08-30 00:42:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| *OmegaSlayer shrugs* Thanks for the info. I'm sorry for MM guys. I hope their business with Sony won't get ruined. Jealousy is stupid. Really, I will be upset if a 10 years old gets in, or if someone with multiple accounts gets multiple invites. Besides that, I'm fine, I had only hoped it would have been released this week since it was the last week that I had a reduced work schedule, but from Monday I'll be back full throttle and my gaming time will be decreased of at least 4 hours. And I'm confident with the beta testers around here. EDIT: at least 1 week ahead for the OC testers is more than fine. Don't worry, I think Mm will know which applicants are acceptable, I'm pretty sure they won't allow a h4h bot or a 10 year old, at the least a 10 year old with a 20 year old's brain. It would go to more deserving candidates (Zwollie, OmegaSlayer, silverleon, mrvista and others) They don't even need to apply for their spot.(not saying you shouldn't!):hero: | 2009-08-30 00:44:00 Author: AwesomePossum  Posts: 446 |
| Cartman why don't you put up a big red sticky like the ones we get to dismiss. Only this one we DON'T get to dismiss. Have it say "Invites not sent out. Noone knows anything. Everything is speculation. The cake is a lie!" Prob solved. I agree with everything you just said... except the part I put in bold. Anyway... I think by now we all know that it's going to be a while and the best idea is to wait (and breathe). Still... the wait will be good preparation. Get planning some underwater levels. Edit: Oh wow, this thread has 500+ posts that's mad! | 2009-08-30 01:30:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| It's times like these I wish I was 18. | 2009-08-30 02:17:00 Author: Project_MK  Posts: 80 |
| It's times like these I wish I was 18. If you're like 13 or older, I wouldn't worry about the age restriction too much. | 2009-08-30 02:50:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| Okay CC had the decency to explain what is going on and Mm is afraid it turns into jealousy....as said before but I really think that people are overreacting about this whole situation and there will be those people who think the negative from all situations......I just wanna say that there is benefits to having the water before most others....but its up to you decent people to figure it out......just don't be mad or over exited about anything because you may not get in even after the invites go out....then you end up being sad and depressed for nothing just chill and wait | 2009-08-30 06:41:00 Author: Flare Skull  Posts: 216 |
| *continues to patiently and hopefully, wait for email* *eyebrow twitches* well, back to making things and sackpeople explode! seriously, you'd think the game didn't work with all the hullabaloo....is that even a word? be calm, breathe in, make something silly. like an exploding cheese wheel. Mwahaha....the Fromage of Doom! *wanders off again* | 2009-08-30 09:56:00 Author: Memodrix  Posts: 879 |
| Thanks for the info ConfusedCartmanm hope that the legal stuff doesn't hurt Mm. And at least you had the decency to tell us why it was delayed. I am still waiting for the Fallout 3 DLC that they keep say is coming, but don't give reasons. I don't mind delays as long as I get a reason | 2009-08-30 10:33:00 Author: Harryup1 Posts: 7 |
| So... Who wants my beta code? xD | 2009-08-30 11:04:00 Author: Adam9001  Posts: 744 |
| So... Who wants my beta code? xD I'll take your imaginary beta code off of your hands for you. Did the Media Molecule fairy fly down and leave it under your pillow for you? | 2009-08-30 12:13:00 Author: BSprague  Posts: 2325 |
| quit all the "I'm on the beta! free code!" stuff, it's not funny anymore. | 2009-08-30 12:25:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I'll take your imaginary beta code off of your hands for you. Did the Media Molecule fairy fly down and leave it under your pillow for you? Yes, he was a flying sackboy :3 Code: 583-4352-428 | 2009-08-30 12:48:00 Author: Adam9001 Posts: 744 |
| Yes, he was a flying sackboy :3 Code: 583-4352-428 You're giving us the code... Definetly a phoney call. | 2009-08-30 12:58:00 Author: neonrage0  Posts: 284 |
| ha lolz its a trap :arg: i hope at monday | 2009-08-30 12:59:00 Author: Unknown User |
| sorry but a code is 12 digits long :3 /sarcasm | 2009-08-30 13:03:00 Author: Unknown User |
| You guys need to enter the beta with a positive attitude Everyone on the beta forum keeps complaining about the water even though there's nothing wrong with it! I don't want more people joining and being disappointed anyway | 2009-08-30 13:12:00 Author: Dexiro  Posts: 2100 |
| i hate watter its to wet!!! ontopic: you are right lets be nice guys again | 2009-08-30 13:16:00 Author: Unknown User |
| You guys need to enter the beta with a positive attitude Everyone on the beta forum keeps complaining about the water even though there's nothing wrong with it! I don't want more people joining and being disappointed anyway It's almost like the old adage, "Beggars can't be choosers." They beg for water, get it, and they aren't satisfied. I'd be ecstatic to be in. | 2009-08-30 13:26:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| exactly. there is obviously a sane reason why the beta emails haven't came out yet (gets bro to check email) | 2009-08-30 13:31:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| COMMMMEEE ON ALREADY!!!! I can't wait any longer. Is it supposed to be out by today? | 2009-08-30 13:37:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| it is SUPPOSED to be out a couple of days ago | 2009-08-30 13:39:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| it is SUPPOSED to be out to day It was actually supposed to be out when the Online Create testers got it, a couple days ago, but delays from Sony caused...you know the drill. | 2009-08-30 14:04:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| change it | 2009-08-30 14:08:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| change it Change what? If you mean edit my post, then it's not really necessary because I'm just reiterating what ConfusedCartman said a couple pages back. | 2009-08-30 14:16:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
i am getting pain in my head from this stuf  | 2009-08-30 14:39:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Change what? If you mean edit my post, then it's not really necessary because I'm just reiterating what ConfusedCartman said a couple pages back. sorry i meant Changed it sorry | 2009-08-30 16:31:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| I wonder what the "Legal Issues" were, though? Hmmm... Anyway, lolz at the fake code Adam9001 posted. | 2009-08-30 17:16:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| I bet the water wont even be as great as the hype. We're building this up too far. It's JUST water, you can float and stuff, ( p.s bring the hype down! ) But seriously, i can't wait ;D come on! Oh, and today i got an e-mail from a "Little Big Planet" i was super happy! then it was some kid and he was like "Hope you didnt get your hopes up!" Did anyone else get this? | 2009-08-30 19:40:00 Author: SlinkDewar Posts: 70 |
| I bet the water wont even be as great as the hype. We're building this up too far. It's JUST water, you can float and stuff, ( p.s bring the hype down! ) But seriously, i can't wait ;D come on! Oh, and today i got an e-mail from a "Little Big Planet" i was super happy! then it was some kid and he was like "Hope you didnt get your hopes up!" Did anyone else get this? I just hope this isn't one of those things where it's really awesome, but everyone is really disappointed because we've all hyped it up so much. I think that if we don't get it next week, then there's at least 3 more weeks until we get it. Still, I can't wait! | 2009-08-30 19:49:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| *tick tock* It's times like this I wish I actually had a watch. | 2009-08-30 20:05:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| Reminds me of an amusing story. Way back in the day of the first initial LBP Beta, I was begging to become part of it. Luckily, a friend of mine had an extra code, and I was able to get in. Funny thing was, I didn't check my e-mail when the beta keys were sent out. Turns out I got my own beta key about a week before my friend gave me his extra. Laziness is the bane of my existence. | 2009-08-30 20:08:00 Author: SLS10  Posts: 1129 |
| *tick tock* It's times like this I wish I actually had a watch. Also, I believe someone made an actual working clock level in LBP. Worth a look, if you asked me. | 2009-08-30 20:10:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| Well I've been keeping my eye on this thread since it's inception and I'm really disappointed with many of the members here. Some of you people need to learn to relax and be patient... oh, and also learn to read before posting. Stop asking dumb questions about when the beta starts. It's been stated NUMEROUS times that anyone getting the beta code will be contacted with the proper information letting them know if they've been chosen and when they will have access. This "Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?" attitude really makes you look foolish and immature. Even with CC's newest info he offered in an attempt to quell all your unecessary anxieties, I'm sure others will still rush to this thread asking the same annoying questions over and over again. This is why I don't have kids. As for the rest of the members, great opinions and thoughts. With regards to beta's, as stated before.... beta's are work (though still fun). Their purpose is to find bugs and also to push a game engines limits where online play is concerned. As for finding bugs.... the fact is that no amount of beta testing will ever reveal all the bugs since beta's don't usually last for more than a few months at best. There simply isn't enough time to find everything. Also, many testers who don't understand their role in the beta will find a small problem and just accept that it's minor and can be worked around or forgiven... after all, no one is perfect so why should we expect a gaming company to be right? My point is that beta testing is not perfect and never will be, and also that it relies HEAVILY on players opinions. The Killzone2 beta was a great experience for most people involved. We did our best to play hard and work the engine as best we could... but still, people complained about certain things once the game was released. For example, a small percentage of people complained about the controls being different from any other game out there and that there was some lag issues or dead spots in the controls... while I never once heard anyone gripe about this during the beta. We were simply given the game and adapted to the controls, and in fact most of us didn't even notice the difference or question it. As for bugs or other oddities, most were found and reported.... but that didn't stop people from personally bashing us for "not doing a good job of beta testing". The notion is ridiculous that every small problem will be found in the short time given to explore a beta. One of the reasons I opted out of the MAG beta was because I simply don't need the grief and spend the time on a game I won't play as much as LBP. Sure it's fun to test a game or a new feature for free before everyone else gets it, but it's still work and you need to dedicate time and energy to it. I also opted out in the hopes that I might be lucky enough to get the code for this beta, and have the opportunity to do my part in contributing my time and knowledge to the game in order that it is the best it can be once we all have full access to water. It's not about getting it first for me, it's about making sure it's right and is the best it can be. | 2009-08-30 20:16:00 Author: Rustbukkit  Posts: 1737 |
| Well I've been keeping my eye on this thread since it's inception and I'm really disappointed with many of the members here. Some of you people need to learn to relax and be patient... oh, and also learn to read before posting. Stop asking dumb questions about when the beta starts. It's been stated NUMEROUS times that anyone getting the beta code will be contacted with the proper information letting them know if they've been chosen and when they will have access. This "Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?" attitude really makes you look foolish and immature. Even with CC's newest info he offered in an attempt to quell all your unecessary anxieties, I'm sure others will still rush to this thread asking the same annoying questions over and over again. This is why I don't have kids. As for the rest of the members, great opinions and thoughts. With regards to beta's, as stated before.... beta's are work (though still fun). Their purpose is to find bugs and also to push a game engines limits where online play is concerned. As for finding bugs.... the fact is that no amount of beta testing will ever reveal all the bugs since beta's don't usually last for more than a few months at best. There simply isn't enough time to find everything. Also, many testers who don't understand their role in the beta will find a small problem and just accept that it's minor and can be worked around or forgiven... after all, no one is perfect so why should we expect a gaming company to be right? My point is that beta testing is not perfect and never will be, and also that it relies HEAVILY on players opinions. The Killzone2 beta was a great experience for most people involved. We did our best to play hard and work the engine as best we could... but still, people complained about certain things once the game was released. For example, a small percentage of people complained about the controls being different from any other game out there and that there was some lag issues or dead spots in the controls... while I never once heard anyone gripe about this during the beta. We were simply given the game and adapted to the controls, and in fact most of us didn't even notice the difference or question it. As for bugs or other oddities, most were found and reported.... but that didn't stop people from personally bashing us for "not doing a good job of beta testing". The notion is ridiculous that every small problem will be found in the short time given to explore a beta. One of the reasons I opted out of the MAG beta was because I simply don't need the grief and spend the time on a game I won't play as much as LBP. Sure it's fun to test a game or a new feature for free before everyone else gets it, but it's still work and you need to dedicate time and energy to it. I also opted out in the hopes that I might be lucky enough to get the code for this beta, and have the opportunity to do my part in contributing my time and knowledge to the game in order that it is the best it can be once we all have full access to water. It's not about getting it first for me, it's about making sure it's right and is the best it can be. I was just saying how I wanted a Watch just because I lost mine. No need for so much effort. | 2009-08-30 21:39:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| I was just saying how I wanted a Watch just because I lost mine. No need for so much effort. I was speaking to those posting the same questions over and over again in general. It certainly wasn't aimed at you specifically or meant to be an attack of any sort... if it had, you would have been quoted. I see nothing wrong with people discussing the issue as long as relevant points are being made, but it does get tiring with the same questions being asked repeatedly when the thread is riddled with the answer already. As for effort, I think the effort was necessary as some still don't seem to understand this point which has been brought up numerous times. | 2009-08-30 22:39:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737 |
So there's the people posting the same questions over and over. And there's the people posting "be patient" over an over. | 2009-08-30 23:07:00 Author: Snappyguy  Posts: 710 |
| So there's the people posting the same questions over and over. And there's the people posting "be patient" over an over. Wow... that was a snappy comeback... I see where you got your username. | 2009-08-30 23:27:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737 |
| Not at only you but everyone who said it except the first one. It's annoying too The name is really just a scapegoat which has worked many a time in the past. | 2009-08-30 23:30:00 Author: Snappyguy Posts: 710 |
| Well I've been keeping my eye on this thread since it's inception and I'm really disappointed with many of the members here. Some of you people need to learn to relax and be patient... oh, and also learn to read before posting. Stop asking dumb questions about when the beta starts. It's been stated NUMEROUS times that anyone getting the beta code will be contacted with the proper information letting them know if they've been chosen and when they will have access. This "Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?" attitude really makes you look foolish and immature. Even with CC's newest info he offered in an attempt to quell all your unecessary anxieties, I'm sure others will still rush to this thread asking the same annoying questions over and over again. This is why I don't have kids. As for the rest of the members, great opinions and thoughts. With regards to beta's, as stated before.... beta's are work (though still fun). Their purpose is to find bugs and also to push a game engines limits where online play is concerned. As for finding bugs.... the fact is that no amount of beta testing will ever reveal all the bugs since beta's don't usually last for more than a few months at best. There simply isn't enough time to find everything. Also, many testers who don't understand their role in the beta will find a small problem and just accept that it's minor and can be worked around or forgiven... after all, no one is perfect so why should we expect a gaming company to be right? My point is that beta testing is not perfect and never will be, and also that it relies HEAVILY on players opinions. The Killzone2 beta was a great experience for most people involved. We did our best to play hard and work the engine as best we could... but still, people complained about certain things once the game was released. For example, a small percentage of people complained about the controls being different from any other game out there and that there was some lag issues or dead spots in the controls... while I never once heard anyone gripe about this during the beta. We were simply given the game and adapted to the controls, and in fact most of us didn't even notice the difference or question it. As for bugs or other oddities, most were found and reported.... but that didn't stop people from personally bashing us for "not doing a good job of beta testing". The notion is ridiculous that every small problem will be found in the short time given to explore a beta. One of the reasons I opted out of the MAG beta was because I simply don't need the grief and spend the time on a game I won't play as much as LBP. Sure it's fun to test a game or a new feature for free before everyone else gets it, but it's still work and you need to dedicate time and energy to it. I also opted out in the hopes that I might be lucky enough to get the code for this beta, and have the opportunity to do my part in contributing my time and knowledge to the game in order that it is the best it can be once we all have full access to water. It's not about getting it first for me, it's about making sure it's right and is the best it can be. So... when is the beta going to be released? | 2009-08-31 02:29:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| So... when is the beta going to be released? I would also like to know xD | 2009-08-31 02:30:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| So, Rustbukkit, you have a MAG beta key? I'm interested in this. | 2009-08-31 02:34:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| wow 569 ... | 2009-08-31 03:25:00 Author: deboerdave  Posts: 384 |
| wow 569 ... What on earth has that got to do with water? | 2009-08-31 11:02:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| What on earth does any of this have to do with water? | 2009-08-31 12:07:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| Come on already! | 2009-08-31 15:05:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| We won't hear anything today, it's a bank holiday. | 2009-08-31 15:08:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| We won't hear anything today, it's a bank holiday. I had just come on to post that... Hmm. | 2009-08-31 15:10:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| soooo its Monday Monday Monday! where is the beta | 2009-08-31 19:37:00 Author: Unknown User |
| sigh...great post Rustbukkit, but looks like a few didn't read it... | 2009-08-31 19:47:00 Author: Unknown User |
| soooo its Monday Monday Monday! where is the beta We won't hear anything today, it's a bank holiday. 10 characters | 2009-08-31 19:58:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| Wow, this thread is getting tough to moderate. Everyone please calm down, you will know when the invites are being sent out as there will most likely be a new thread. Come to the conclusion that you haven't gotten in. Then if you don't, it won't be such a hard blow. I'm also going to quote this in the hopes that more people read it: Well I've been keeping my eye on this thread since it's inception and I'm really disappointed with many of the members here. Some of you people need to learn to relax and be patient... oh, and also learn to read before posting. Stop asking dumb questions about when the beta starts. It's been stated NUMEROUS times that anyone getting the beta code will be contacted with the proper information letting them know if they've been chosen and when they will have access. This "Are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?" attitude really makes you look foolish and immature. Even with CC's newest info he offered in an attempt to quell all your unecessary anxieties, I'm sure others will still rush to this thread asking the same annoying questions over and over again. This is why I don't have kids. As for the rest of the members, great opinions and thoughts. With regards to beta's, as stated before.... beta's are work (though still fun). Their purpose is to find bugs and also to push a game engines limits where online play is concerned. As for finding bugs.... the fact is that no amount of beta testing will ever reveal all the bugs since beta's don't usually last for more than a few months at best. There simply isn't enough time to find everything. Also, many testers who don't understand their role in the beta will find a small problem and just accept that it's minor and can be worked around or forgiven... after all, no one is perfect so why should we expect a gaming company to be right? My point is that beta testing is not perfect and never will be, and also that it relies HEAVILY on players opinions. The Killzone2 beta was a great experience for most people involved. We did our best to play hard and work the engine as best we could... but still, people complained about certain things once the game was released. For example, a small percentage of people complained about the controls being different from any other game out there and that there was some lag issues or dead spots in the controls... while I never once heard anyone gripe about this during the beta. We were simply given the game and adapted to the controls, and in fact most of us didn't even notice the difference or question it. As for bugs or other oddities, most were found and reported.... but that didn't stop people from personally bashing us for "not doing a good job of beta testing". The notion is ridiculous that every small problem will be found in the short time given to explore a beta. One of the reasons I opted out of the MAG beta was because I simply don't need the grief and spend the time on a game I won't play as much as LBP. Sure it's fun to test a game or a new feature for free before everyone else gets it, but it's still work and you need to dedicate time and energy to it. I also opted out in the hopes that I might be lucky enough to get the code for this beta, and have the opportunity to do my part in contributing my time and knowledge to the game in order that it is the best it can be once we all have full access to water. It's not about getting it first for me, it's about making sure it's right and is the best it can be. | 2009-08-31 20:14:00 Author: Killian  Posts: 2575 |
| Cannot wait for teh water. | 2009-09-01 04:17:00 Author: TheMarvelousHat  Posts: 542 |
Water water everywhere. But not a drop to drown (a sack person) in. | 2009-09-01 05:48:00 Author: Memodrix Posts: 879 |
| More water puns anyone? | 2009-09-01 21:01:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| More water puns anyone? No, I think everyone has leaked out all of their creative juices and are now dry. | 2009-09-01 21:07:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| i think everyone should shuddup... and play the waiting game. | 2009-09-01 21:12:00 Author: MarkoWolfy  Posts: 445 |
| i think everyone should shuddup... and play the waiting game. I won i am 0% exited now ;p | 2009-09-01 21:27:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Oh but puns are fun. I mean this thread really made a splash when it began and only became irritating when it was just a flood of people going overboard about MM leaving us high and dry with the beta emails. We can do puns while we wait and sea, can't we? . | 2009-09-01 21:27:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| More water puns anyone? Water you have against puns? | 2009-09-01 21:43:00 Author: L0l_L0l- Posts: 139 |
| Water you have against puns? Ooohhh, that one was pour! | 2009-09-01 21:44:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Ooohhh, that one was pour! That one was even worse. water | 2009-09-01 23:07:00 Author: Snappyguy Posts: 710 |
| I know That's why it's funny, yes? | 2009-09-01 23:24:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Now, Now.... No need to get steamed. ...annnd.....thats all i've got. | 2009-09-02 01:41:00 Author: Memodrix Posts: 879 |
| I can feel a wave of despair coming over me as my anger reaches boiling point | 2009-09-02 02:19:00 Author: mistervista  Posts: 2210 |
| Come on guys, let's not let the TIDE turn so e-SEA-ly! Yeah, that was POUR indeed! | 2009-09-02 02:28:00 Author: Astrosimi  Posts: 2046 |
| You guys are silly. As soon as water comes out, I'm making my underwater fortress. Complete with mines. Because mines are the staple of any fortress. | 2009-09-02 02:30:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| Buoy that sounds like a nice level SLS. Unless you're a bad creator...then it's only sorta nice. Can't wait to see it if it gets finished and you know you can make it now and just fill it up later. | 2009-09-02 07:15:00 Author: Snappyguy Posts: 710 |
| i think everyone should shuddup... and play the waiting game. I'd rather not. *goes back and kicks it by the pool* | 2009-09-02 08:51:00 Author: gevurah22  Posts: 1476 |
| My face is gonna flush if I don't get a beta invite. Heh. Heh. Heh. | 2009-09-02 09:04:00 Author: hilightnotes  Posts: 1230 |
| That's the Spirit! Sea, we're Beating the Heat Already! | 2009-09-02 09:25:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| Woah this thread is still going strong after 40 pages. | 2009-09-02 09:49:00 Author: bakscratch  Posts: 258 |
| Woah this thread is still going strong after 40 pages. Unfortunately for some... | 2009-09-02 11:38:00 Author: Killian Posts: 2575 |
| I just got an email! It said in the inbox 'LittleBig', then the rest was cut off. I opened it and... Mark, like bingo? Play for LITTLE and win BIG!  | 2009-09-02 12:39:00 Author: Leather-Monkey  Posts: 2266 |
| I just got an email! It said in the inbox 'LittleBig', then the rest was cut off. I opened it and... Mark, like bingo? Play for LITTLE and win BIG! Hahaha!! I would have loved to see the expression on your face. Now imagine the look on my face if I might find out I got in but haven't been able to replace my PS3. | 2009-09-02 12:45:00 Author: Zwollie  Posts: 2173 |
| I hope someone in the OC beta doesn't get sent an invite..... I WILL KEEEL YOU. I'm sure they'd filter them out or something. But it's not like they were aware of it when the beta sign up was still up. | 2009-09-02 13:00:00 Author: Snappyguy Posts: 710 |
| My excitement is starting to evaporate... Haha, I'm not so good at this. | 2009-09-02 15:02:00 Author: TheJollyRajah  Posts: 466 |
| C'mon, ladies and gents...... Don't let the wait dampen your spirits!! A little disappointment at the wait is nothing, really. Water off a ducks back, as the saying goes. I still think thats a stupid saying..... | 2009-09-02 16:29:00 Author: Memodrix Posts: 879 |
| C'mon, ladies and gents...... Don't let the wait dampen your spirits!! are you stil exited then mutch poeple not anymore so i can wait now | 2009-09-02 16:41:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I'm easily excited and/or amused. You have no idea how happy I was when I found the tinfoil material in lbp. sooo shiny! so yea. I'm not all into hyping it up, as I don't really know any details, but i do know that something new is coming to my favorite game, and it looks to be fun. that = win. that said, my hopes for the beta are still afloat. | 2009-09-02 19:13:00 Author: Memodrix Posts: 879 |
| Wow why would they even say something about a beta if it's not coming for 1-2 months... | 2009-09-02 21:02:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| You do know the beta started a few days ago? | 2009-09-02 21:07:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| You do know the beta started a few days ago? Guess that's why the LAG has been completely horrendous the last few days. That's not just a coincidence is it. | 2009-09-02 21:10:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210 |
| @mistervista: probably coincidence. You do know the beta started a few days ago? You mean for the people already beta'ing right? Cause you're just gonna cause confusion with comments like that - talk about stirring up trouble. Unless it is for the new people as well, and they just kept it quiet, either way it's gonna cause hell on this thread | 2009-09-02 21:15:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| You mean for the people already beta'ing right? Cause you're just gonna cause confusion with comments like that - talk about stirring up trouble. Unless it is for the new people as well, and they just kept it quiet, either way it's gonna cause hell on this thread :O Yes, I mean the people already in the beta. **** I don't want any more confusion  | 2009-09-02 21:19:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| :O Yes, I mean the people already in the beta. **** I don't want any more confusion They sent out the first wave of invites? Huh. I thought the only people in it were the OC beta testers. Meh. | 2009-09-03 00:01:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| They sent out the first wave of invites? Huh. I thought the only people in it were the OC beta testers. Meh. That's what he meant. Only OC users are in now. that's what he meant about "wrong information" | 2009-09-03 00:01:00 Author: RockSauron  Posts: 10882 |
| That's what he meant. Only OC users are in now. that's what he meant about "wrong information" :hero: I'm more confused now than I was earlier! :hero: | 2009-09-03 00:09:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| Why is Mm teasing something weeks before release that probably should've been in the game in the first place. I think the beta for this is completely unnecessary. Water is water. It's not like it's going to react differently with different people. There's still the issue of lag, but that's another problem. They're pretty much just trying to build up a ****load of hype. | 2009-09-03 00:36:00 Author: Sack-Jake  Posts: 1153 |
| ...I think the beta for this is completely unnecessary. Water is water. It's not like it's going to react differently with different people... It's not as simple as you might think... | 2009-09-03 00:41:00 Author: L0l_L0l- Posts: 139 |
| At sack-jake: WTF? Water is a huge change to the physics engine, it's not "just water", unless you think they are going to spray your Ps3 with a hose (unadvisable BTW). It's a massive amount of extra code, plus changes to existing code, that needs thorough testing - physics changes and judging by the video new switches, new power-ups. It's huge. As for the hype, as I said earlier in this thread, they've made two announcements. All of the hype has come from the community. Also: The first wave of invites were actually supposed to have gone out already, but due to some legal issues on Sony's end, the invites were delayed. I do not know when the invites are going out to applicants, but I do know that Mm is irritated (as I believe they planned to get OC testers and applicants in at the same time) and, while there's hardly anything they can do to speed up the process, they're trying to push Sony as much as they can. The new beta testers have not been invited but the existing online create beta testers are already using it. | 2009-09-03 00:41:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| At sack-jake: WTF? Water is a huge change to the physics engine, it's not "just water", unless you think they are going to spray your Ps3 with a hose (unadvisable BTW). It's a massive amount of extra code, plus changes to existing code, that needs thorough testing - physics changes and judging by the video new switches, new power-ups. It's huge. I'm aware of how much of a change water is going to bring to the community, and I think it looks like a blast. It's just that I'm thinking that it's nothing Mm can't test ON THEIR OWN. They just added it to the OC beta for maybe a little extra testing and to build up hype, that's all. It's just taking up more time the water isn't released to the public and making the community rage. Water beta was a stupid decision on Mm's part. | 2009-09-03 00:53:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| I'm aware of how much of a change water is going to bring to the community, and I think it looks like a blast. It's just that I'm thinking that it's nothing Mm can't test ON THEIR OWN. They just added it to the OC beta for maybe a little extra testing and to build up hype, that's all. It's just taking up more time the water isn't released to the public and making the community rage. Water beta was a stupid decision on Mm's part. Yea, they can do it on their own, but why should they? By doing an open beta like this they are guaranteed to get a lot of feedback and bugs squished. If they tested it themselves, it might take a lot longer... seeing as i doubt there are more people at MM than in the betas, and they would have to drop any other projects for extensive testing. | 2009-09-03 00:55:00 Author: Burnvictim42  Posts: 3322 |
| Sure, but why do they need so many people? In the trailer, it looked very polished and ready to go and I've talked to a couple people currently in the beta and they said it works fine, but it's just another toy they get to play around with early. | 2009-09-03 00:59:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| They wanted something big to announce at Gamescom so they announced Water a bit early. They even started the Water beta early so they wouldn't be hyping up the community too much, they gave it to the OC testers with a list of bugs that they already knew about! So no it probably won't be coming any time soon so just sit back and appreciate that it IS coming at some point | 2009-09-03 01:02:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| Hmmm, a handful of people testing vs however many hundred. I think I know which one will be quicker... And simply more effective. Having more people test means more crazy ideas thrown into the pot that the devs would never think of And I'm sorry, but releasing the stuff without thorough testing would make the community rage even meore when it adds more bugs. Having a beta for something this big is a fantastic idea. The community are gonna rage regardless, every ****ing little thing and it's "toys out of the pram" time. It's emabarrasing. MM can't get things right in the eyes of the community no matter what they do... Also, making it look good for a promo video and making it actually form a truely stable system are a million miles away from each other. Just give it a rest and wait. You'll get the water, as will I, when the time is right. And you still have just as many toys to play with as you did 2 weeks ago, why is it suddenly not enough? | 2009-09-03 01:04:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Sure, but why do they need so many people? In the trailer, it looked very polished and ready to go and I've talked to a couple people currently in the beta and they said it works fine, but it's just another toy they get to play around with early. I think those people were lieing, the water is extremely buggy! There are graphical glitches associated with pretty much all of the new features, the water completly messes up if you're playing online with a laggy connection, and a lot of people are reporting crashes and losing their save files regularly. It's usable but definatly not ready to be put in the full game. | 2009-09-03 01:07:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| Even if it does release, how do we know any of us will get in? There are thousands of more people waiting to get in, I bet they will only accept a bit people like the OC beta. | 2009-09-03 01:08:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| Also on the subject of WHY there's a beta, it's because it's potentially much more effective at removing bugs. Mm have to pay a lot of money for just a handful of official testers, and while they're skilled at finding bugs in a complex game like this there's no guarantee that they'll find all of them! However with a beta they can get thousands of testers for free, a handful of those probably as effective as the official testers, AND they get to receive feedback on the quality of the new features. It seems like a stupid idea not to release a beta | 2009-09-03 01:14:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| The hype is dead... | 2009-09-05 15:58:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| No its not! Its just people are running out of things to type. | 2009-09-05 16:00:00 Author: Leather-Monkey Posts: 2266 |
| Originally Posted by Sack-Jake ...I think the beta for this is completely unnecessary. Water is water. It's not like it's going to react differently with different people... I agree. I mean why did the US invade Iraq? It's not like Candy is bubblegum! | 2009-09-05 16:27:00 Author: BasketSnake Posts: 2391 |
| The beta is necessary because it needs bug testing It's better to only have a handful of people testing too because it's easier for them to manage. For example there's only about 30 people (could be much less) that use the beta forum and it's already getting spammed by suggestions because people think Mm have a better chance of noticing it. It's just easier for them to keep it all organised anyway, Mm rarely read the forum so when they do it's better that they see a page full of bug reports instead of a page full of suggestions. | 2009-09-05 16:51:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| I love how they didn't post anything all week too to leave us in the dark. | 2009-09-05 23:50:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| Likewise. This is getting annoying. | 2009-09-05 23:53:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046 |
| I can see how it might be annoying to people who are tired of speculation and rumours about what might or might not be included. And although being involved in testing may be a lot of fun, it is important that the people involved test, break, experiment and report. It's always difficult when people are asked to test new things. And I really appreciate that some people are very excited about the release of new things. But it would be a lot worse if these things weren't tested before they were released. And yes, there may be issues no matter how many people were involved in testing, but I'm sure Mm are trying their best to look after everyone's interests. | 2009-09-06 00:10:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz  Posts: 1492 |
| I too find it irritating that there were 2 big announcements within days of each other, and then Mm just stopped, as though it was all a lie. Maybe they all died. Seems odd there were no blog posts, no tweets... no nothing. At all. | 2009-09-06 00:14:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| I too find it irritating that there were 2 big announcements within days of each other, and then Mm just stopped, as though it was all a lie. Maybe they all died. Seems odd there were no blog posts, no tweets... no nothing. At all. It's marketing. They announced something, and now it's being tested. It's the same in many industries. | 2009-09-06 00:18:00 Author: MrsSpookyBuz Posts: 1492 |
| I too find it irritating that there were 2 big announcements within days of each other, and then Mm just stopped, as though it was all a lie. Maybe they all died. Seems odd there were no blog posts, no tweets... no nothing. At all. They did say they were very busy this week, who knows why. | 2009-09-06 00:24:00 Author: Killian Posts: 2575 |
| They did say they were very busy this week, who knows why. Maybe it'll be released next week? | 2009-09-06 00:33:00 Author: applepod124 Posts: 163 |
| They did say they were very busy this week, who knows why. They did? Ooh. Maybe soon, then. | 2009-09-06 00:40:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| They should just stop worrying about giving out the rest of the beta invites and just continue testing it in the OC beta then. It's been what, about 2 weeks since they added water to the OC beta? If they give out invites next week, it'll be way too late for anyone else to really get in and test, give suggestions, etc. | 2009-09-06 17:42:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| They should just stop worrying about giving out the rest of the beta invites and just continue testing it in the OC beta then. It's been what, about 2 weeks since they added water to the OC beta? If they give out invites next week, it'll be way too late for anyone else to really get in and test, give suggestions, etc. I think they'll probably be waiting until stage 2 of the beta now. There's a chance they'll be adding someone new in stage 2 so it'd give the new people something to test | 2009-09-06 18:04:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| Another thing, I saw one of my friends playing the beta today and he was in the level "Ice Cave" which I suppose is probably the example level for water (as seen in the trailer). Could this mean they're bringing back the ice hazard as well? Think about it, the level could have been called anything else: Dark Cave, Underwater Cave, etc, but Ice? It sounds a bit suspicious... | 2009-09-06 18:54:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| Not really. As you probably know you can make convincing ice levels with glass. | 2009-09-06 19:11:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| I take it this was the notice by his name on your friends list. I'm indifferent to the return of ice, on one side, ice would be fun! on the other side, it would require me redoing most of my current project. All assuming they overcame the difficulty that prevented them putting ice in in the first place *tries to remember what that was* (I could have sworn Alex Evans said why in an inteview). At the same time it could just be glass, like what the shark appears to swim through in the teaser trailer. | 2009-09-06 19:12:00 Author: croissantbuncake  Posts: 572 |
| Come to think of it, what Did stop them from putting in Ice from the get-go? | 2009-09-06 20:19:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| ya i really loved how the ice looked, my hopes are that they put it back in eventually | 2009-09-06 20:22:00 Author: Sonic5411  Posts: 712 |
| Come to think of it, what Did stop them from putting in Ice from the get-go? Balancing issues or something like that. | 2009-09-06 20:23:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| Ooh. Maybe soon, then. Not to be pessimistic, but if people keep saying this, they are really only setting themselves up for disappointment. It will come when it will come. | 2009-09-06 20:32:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| While I don't actually think the "Ice as well" thing is likely, to be fair, Ice and Water go together both somewhat thematically (they are really the same thing) and the two do go together to form a natural hazard. Freeze, can't move, drown. | 2009-09-06 20:49:00 Author: Jagrevi  Posts: 1154 |
| Another thing, I saw one of my friends playing the beta today and he was in the level "Ice Cave" which I suppose is probably the example level for water (as seen in the trailer). Could this mean they're bringing back the ice hazard as well? Think about it, the level could have been called anything else: Dark Cave, Underwater Cave, etc, but Ice? It sounds a bit suspicious... I'm in the beta and i can assure you there's no mention of ice! ...yet | 2009-09-06 20:57:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| I'm in the beta and i can assure you there's no mention of ice! ...yet ...In the original teaser trailer for water, it was said that water would be part of an exciting new kit. Water could be released alongside other good stuff, such as the ice hazard as mentioned earlier. | 2009-09-06 21:56:00 Author: SLS10 Posts: 1129 |
| ...In the original teaser trailer for water, it was said that water would be part of an exciting new kit. Water could be released alongside other good stuff, such as the ice hazard as mentioned earlier. Yeah i'm hoping for ice too Just saying it's not in the beta yet | 2009-09-06 22:47:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| Yeah i'm hoping for ice too Just saying it's not in the beta yet Not that i'd be allowed to tell you if it was... Yeah I think we get the picture now that you're in the beta. You don't have to keep shoving it down our throats and then saying " but I can't tell you anything ". Just don't say anything to start with and we'll be happier all round. | 2009-09-06 22:53:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210 |
| Yeah I think we get the picture now that you're in the beta. You don't have to keep shoving it down our throats and then saying " but I can't tell you anything ". Just don't say anything to start with and we'll be happier all round. Sorry didn't realise it was annoying | 2009-09-06 23:19:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| I don't find you annoying dex *hugs dex* I'm perfectly happy with you keeping on chirping in. | 2009-09-06 23:35:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Sorry didn't realise it was annoying I don't think it is - I actually appreciate it. | 2009-09-07 04:18:00 Author: Jagrevi Posts: 1154 |
| no offense but i find it annoying...especially not being in the beta myself it's like saying "oh yeah don't you wish you had my life right now" and it just makes me feel bad because I wasn't LUCKY enough to get into beta | 2009-09-11 02:38:00 Author: Shadowcrazy  Posts: 3365 |
| I was gonna ask, when did the beta start? lol | 2009-09-11 04:11:00 Author: Ragfell Posts: 729 |
| Be sure to be as alert as possible should any one of you get a response, I just want to know if I've missed out in the end. | 2009-09-11 07:11:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| I don't think the beta code will ever get sent | 2009-09-12 12:17:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| Are you guys expecting a second round of invites for your previously submitted applications in the Beta? | 2009-09-12 12:34:00 Author: Digs  Posts: 23 |
| lol by the time i found out about this it was too late to join you guys have any ideas when this pack will be released? | 2009-09-12 12:36:00 Author: rseah  Posts: 2701 |
| you guys have any ideas when this pack will be released? If it is still in beta, there is a good chance it's going to be a while before release. From what I hear, water has some graphical glitches and such that need to be worked out. These things don't happen overnight. | 2009-09-12 13:22:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| It makes you wonder how many times they had to film the teaser trailer if it's this buggy.. | 2009-09-12 16:01:00 Author: croissantbuncake Posts: 572 |
| that persons gunna be in big trouble, that looks absolutly awesome..., thats the online create beta, | 2009-09-13 11:09:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| i did not know that that was ferbidden sorry poeple (but i stil got the vid for my self) | 2009-09-13 11:39:00 Author: Unknown User |
| we don't care if you have the video yourself, just PLEASE don't spread it more! | 2009-09-13 11:41:00 Author: Unknown User |
| we don't care if you have the video yourself, just PLEASE don't spread it more! oke then | 2009-09-13 11:42:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Did I just miss a video of the water beta? | 2009-09-13 14:13:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| What Video? ___________________ | 2009-09-13 16:53:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Did I just miss a video of the water beta? Whatever it was, I missed it too, and it's best we keep it that way. | 2009-09-13 17:01:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| It's on YouTube. Just search for it lol. I hate how people overreact when someone breaks the non-disclosure agreement. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. SONY WILL NOT BAN YOU. Hell, when the MAG beta came out, there were gameplay videos almost instantly. | 2009-09-13 17:44:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| It's on YouTube. Just search for it lol. I hate how people overreact when someone breaks the non-disclosure agreement. IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. SONY WILL NOT BAN YOU. Hell, when the MAG beta came out, there were gameplay videos almost instantly. The guy who created the video got banned from the beta, so yeah... | 2009-09-13 18:01:00 Author: hilightnotes Posts: 1230 |
| The guy who created the video got banned from the beta, so yeah... Then he's a ******* and gave away too much personal information. | 2009-09-13 18:05:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| Nah he's an ******* because he made an agreement and didn't keep it. Nevermind, I'm sure scruples aren't something that matter to you Jake | 2009-09-13 18:10:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| I watched the video and I'm regretting it now because I want to test it out more than ever. All in due time I suppose. | 2009-09-13 18:11:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| *facepalm* | 2009-09-13 18:15:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| I try to resist but I also watch the video... and it seems great!! No very big surprise, just confirmations as it shows what everybody had discuss here since the annoucement... Nah he's an ******* because he made an agreement and didn't keep it. Right. Sharing a demo video on the web was the stupidest thing to do (I'm not very proud cause he's a french guy :blush | 2009-09-13 18:24:00 Author: dajdaj03  Posts: 1486 |
| Now that I saw the leaked beta video of water, I really want it now >:/ | 2009-09-13 18:59:00 Author: Ricano  Posts: 434 |
| That's not the video. That's someone's crappy recording of the full video, which is 20 minutes. Google it. | 2009-09-13 20:10:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| Yeah, the original is on Dailymotion, but the YouTube recording captures the main parts. | 2009-09-13 20:13:00 Author: Trevor  Posts: 78 |
| Actually leaks could harm Mm in the long term. That video will create hype NOW which is useless to them. When the time comes that they want to release Water there will be no hype, and a lot of people will either of lost interest or they'll download it with and just give negative feedback. A lot of people had already lost interest before that video popped up, what are Mm going to use to rekindle that interest when they want people to buy it? I think they'd appreciate if you deleted the video from your post, you're only making their lives harder. | 2009-09-13 21:04:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| Actually leaks could harm Mm in the long term. That video will create hype NOW which is useless to them. When the time comes that they want to release Water there will be no hype, and a lot of people will either of lost interest or they'll download it with and just give negative feedback. A lot of people had already lost interest before that video popped up, what are Mm going to use to rekindle that interest when they want people to buy it? I think they'd appreciate if you deleted the video from your post, you're only making their lives harder. I don't think you understand business, sorry. | 2009-09-13 21:15:00 Author: Trevor Posts: 78 |
| Actually leaks could harm Mm in the long term. That video will create hype NOW which is useless to them. When the time comes that they want to release Water there will be no hype, and a lot of people will either of lost interest or they'll download it with and just give negative feedback. A lot of people had already lost interest before that video popped up, what are Mm going to use to rekindle that interest when they want people to buy it? I think they'd appreciate if you deleted the video from your post, you're only making their life harder. No. You're overthinking things. Mm have lost the hype for water themselves by waiting too long to give out invites. I still think the water beta is pretty much useless anyways (but that's another story). | 2009-09-13 21:15:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| If you're questioning my understanding of business could you at least explain where i went wrong? And the Water Beta isn't a tool solely for creating hype, and neither are they 'waiting' to give out the new invites. They've made it clear that it's problems at Sony's end that are delaying the new invites so it's out of their control. | 2009-09-13 21:21:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| MM never stated they want ANYONE to leak the water beta, so stop doing it. Hype or not, it's against the Terms of Agreement anyone signed up for when they joined the beta. | 2009-09-13 21:22:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino  Posts: 5250 |
| Apparently, stating your opinion is now shameless behavior. **** you guys, I'm leaving. | 2009-09-13 21:29:00 Author: Sack-Jake Posts: 1153 |
| ...talk about overreaction... | 2009-09-13 21:32:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| Apparently, stating your opinion is now shameless behavior. **** you guys, I'm leaving. No one said you can't state your opinion, but leaking information about the beta isn't allowed. | 2009-09-13 21:33:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250 |
| Whale, may I ask why the video that I posted was removed? | 2009-09-13 21:49:00 Author: Trevor Posts: 78 |
| Whale, may I ask why the video that I posted was removed? No one said you can't state your opinion, but leaking information about the beta isn't allowed. Just because it's out there doesn't mean we need to bring it in here. People are more than capable of finding it if they really want to. | 2009-09-13 21:54:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| Because the beta is meant to be under an NDA. You might not of agreed to it yet but i still don't think it's appropriate for these forums. | 2009-09-13 22:00:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| I checked the video out. Looks great. | 2009-09-13 22:14:00 Author: alexbull_uk Posts: 1287 |
| Whale, may I ask why the video that I posted was removed? The video was removed because its mere existence breaks the Beta Trial Agreement that all testers agreed to. Sony and Mm don't want videos of unfinished content leaking, so we're not going to support it in any capacity. | 2009-09-13 22:31:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| Just checked that video out and I have to say it was very boring. Not just because they were talking french which I don't understand lol but because they hardly did anything. **Yawn** It did interest me though and for 2 very different reasons: (1) They took 20 minutes to do something that could have been shown in 30 seconds and if those two are representative of the overall calibre of the beta testers then we're in for a very very long wait. (2) It showed up a very serious problem in that every time they rewound the water completely disappeared ! | 2009-09-13 22:45:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210 |
| Even listening to it was hard, not because it was French (I could understand them) but because they seemed to drag it out. To me the stuff they were doing seemed pretty sloppy and I can easily see them having dropped it as soon as that was filmed and playing something else, not reporting the bugs they found along the way... | 2009-09-14 00:50:00 Author: croissantbuncake Posts: 572 |
| Originally Posted by Sack-Jake ...I think the beta for this is completely unnecessary. Water is water. It's not like it's going to react differently with different people... I agree. I mean why did the US invade Iraq? It's not like Candy is bubblegum! Um....WHAT?!? I don't understand any of this. So the US invaded Iraq because they thought Candy is bubblegum? I'm confused. | 2009-09-14 01:18:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| That's not the video. That's someone's crappy recording of the full video, which is 20 minutes. Google it. Yes... I saw the one on Dailymotion, not youtube :-P I'm anxious for it now xD | 2009-09-14 01:18:00 Author: Ricano Posts: 434 |
| Even listening to it was hard, not because it was French (I could understand them) but because they seemed to drag it out. To me the stuff they were doing seemed pretty sloppy and I can easily see them having dropped it as soon as that was filmed and playing something else, not reporting the bugs they found along the way... That's true. Two teens making bad jokes and laughing every 2 minutes, it was more like "see what we got before you" than a serious demo... But it interesting to see how it work at this stage. Looks very nice how everything interact and move with the water. And as mistervista said, every time they rewind, the water completely disappeared... That need to be fixed | 2009-09-14 01:18:00 Author: dajdaj03 Posts: 1486 |
| And as mistervista said, every time they rewind, the water completely disappeared... That need to be fixed Hence: the existence of a Beta. | 2009-09-14 01:20:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Guys you should not be discussing the details of what was in the video. There's a reason it was taken down. The NDA still stands and just because this one person broke it doesn't mean you can go spreading the information. If you want to go watch the video, that's your choice whether you think it's right or it's wrong, but either way it is breaking the rules to post it here. I'm no mod but I'm guessing they would much appreciate it if they didn't have more posts to clean up, like CC had to do with the video. | 2009-09-14 01:48:00 Author: hilightnotes Posts: 1230 |
| Guys you should not be discussing the details of what was in the video. There's a reason it was taken down. The NDA still stands and just because this one person broke it doesn't mean you can go spreading the information. If you want to go watch the video, that's your choice whether you think it's right or it's wrong, but either way it is breaking the rules to post it here. I'm no mod but I'm guessing they would much appreciate it if they didn't have more posts to clean up, like CC had to do with the video. The NDA doesn't include people who haven't signed the NDA form... Anyways, as I said before, MM wants people to be discussing the Beta, it's just the way it works. | 2009-09-14 02:09:00 Author: Trevor Posts: 78 |
| No, they don't. They have asked people not to, specifically. Yes we could argue till the cows come home about double bluffs etc. but it's clear you have decided that they are simply lying (regardless of the evidence), but consider this: This is a privately owned website, the owner of which has now explicitly asked us not to discuss it. Case closed. It simply comes down to a "when you are in someone else's house you respect their wishes". Is that enough of a reason? And if anyone mentions free speech (as always happens in these scenarios) I will simply laugh at your ignorance. . | 2009-09-14 02:15:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| The NDA doesn't include people who haven't signed the NDA form... Anyways, as I said before, MM wants people to be discussing the Beta, it's just the way it works. Actually didn't you sign up for the water beta? Just by signing up i think you agreed not to disclose any info related to the beta. | 2009-09-14 02:31:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| Anyone know how big a splash is from a sackboy. Or is it gonna be little ripple | 2009-09-14 02:53:00 Author: Snappyguy Posts: 710 |
| Anyone know how big a splash is from a sackboy. Or is it gonna be little ripple From the trailer, it's ripples. | 2009-09-14 03:00:00 Author: BSprague Posts: 2325 |
| Guys you should not be discussing the details of what was in the video. There's a reason it was taken down. The NDA still stands and just because this one person broke it doesn't mean you can go spreading the information. If you want to go watch the video, that's your choice whether you think it's right or it's wrong, but either way it is breaking the rules to post it here. I'm no mod but I'm guessing they would much appreciate it if they didn't have more posts to clean up, like CC had to do with the video. agreed 100% also by discussing this so openly i can see that some of you are hurting your chances at ever participating in ANY beta that Mm or Sony ever release (they are human too....they know your PSN that you used to registered for water beta and can come here and look at it to confirm it's you ((or any other ways of identification)) so i'd advise you delete your posts and forget ever discussing it) so come on guys...for Mm and all of LBP...let's stop the discussion and move on to other important things....or unimportant....just as long as it isn't about the video or any information that shouldn't be talked about | 2009-09-14 03:02:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| The NDA doesn't include people who haven't signed the NDA form... Anyways, as I said before, MM wants people to be discussing the Beta, it's just the way it works. Regardless of what you think Mm wants, I know what their wishes are because they have expressed to me personally that they don't want information about the beta leaking out. I gave them my word that I'd do my best to suppress any leaks and, in the cases where I couldn't do anything about it, prevent this site from promoting the spread of said leaks. We're not supporting it here, and that's my final word. From here on out, any videos, screenshots, or text descriptions (including links to said content) will result in a ban until the water content releases officially. It's that simple. | 2009-09-14 03:50:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| I just wanna know, by what method would you receive the confirmation code? Email you supplied, I'm assuming? | 2009-09-14 03:52:00 Author: Ragfell Posts: 729 |
| I just wanna know, by what method would you receive the confirmation code? Email you supplied, I'm assuming? You'd receive an email with the details, including a download code and a Beta Trial Agreement that you would agree to upon downloading the beta client. | 2009-09-14 03:56:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| Well, thank you, sir! | 2009-09-14 04:53:00 Author: Ragfell Posts: 729 |
| I promised to not write here until the invites are out (I'm reading the thread, anyway), but I have to say one thing that is a weight on my stomach. It would be a mature behaviour if the guys of LBPC that are involved in the beta would avoid to write on this thread with the only result of making people angry, since they already are frustrated to not partecipate, me included. As far as I translate a NDA in my brain language, people ouside the beta shouldn't even know who is in. | 2009-09-14 07:30:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| But is there like a forum MM makes that anyone in the beta can access so we can talk about it? | 2009-09-14 08:36:00 Author: Snappyguy Posts: 710 |
| But is there like a forum MM makes that anyone in the beta can access so we can talk about it? i dont think so but i already decided that if i was to join the water beta i would make a social group here with all the beta testers able to join so we could talk about our experiences and share notes so we can send our information as a whole to Mm | 2009-09-14 09:30:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| i dont think so but i already decided that if i was to join the water beta i would make a social group here with all the beta testers able to join so we could talk about our experiences and share notes so we can send our information as a whole to Mm There already is a seperate forum here on LBPC wich only the Beta testers can access. If you get in the beta, you will be able to go there to discuss everything related to the Beta. | 2009-09-14 10:20:00 Author: Zwollie Posts: 2173 |
| There already is a seperate forum here on LBPC wich only the Beta testers can access. If you get in the beta, you will be able to go there to discuss everything related to the Beta. As it was already stated by ConfusedCartman 20 pages ago or so... Really this thread should be closed since it's discussing fried air, bad blood, frustration, jealousy and not much anything else. Surely I can't see anything worth in it. | 2009-09-14 10:45:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Testing the Water beta! No leaking! Get it!? Leaking! hahahha.... Puns aside... MM are treating this more like a Closed Beta aren't they? It might reduce the tension in some people if they mention it's not one of those "Open Beta come try it before it's ready!" sort of things. I hate it when people say.... "The beta was bad, don't play this game" It's a beta! It's used to improve the game! Then again, people will argue that a beta should only be a stage to test out bugs and glitches and the game should already be in it's finished product. | 2009-09-14 12:22:00 Author: snowyjoe  Posts: 509 |
| As it was already stated by ConfusedCartman 20 pages ago or so... Really this thread should be closed since it's discussing fried air, bad blood, frustration, jealousy and not much anything else. Surely I can't see anything worth in it. Or someone could make a water mega thread. | 2009-09-14 13:07:00 Author: Snappyguy Posts: 710 |
| is it my are is this the first video that is leaked about the online create beta if its true then i am verry proud at all the beta testers for not filming it exept the one that has leaked the water beta footage | 2009-09-14 13:56:00 Author: Unknown User |
| There are a couple of other videos... But the one you posted (or the one that one was filming) showed the most. | 2009-09-14 17:15:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| Hopefully this we'll get the topic here going about something other than the leaked videos... But over on LittleBigWorkshop (http://forums.littlebigworkshop.com/lbp/board/message?board.id=pod&thread.id=90710) [This update - September 14] The initial phase of the beta with the existing testers has been underway for a short time, and we're about to introduce the first new wave of testers into the group. We will be adding 1000 more people into the test this week, all of whom will have signed up last month. Currently we expect the email to be sent out on Thursday September 17th, however this date is provisional (if there's any change we'll try to update as soon as we know). This is not the final stage of testing, and more people will be added over the coming weeks, so if you are not invited this time around don't give up hope just yet. Message Edited by Sam_Protagonist on 09-14-2009 05:35 AM Can't wait! *crosses fingers* | 2009-09-14 20:10:00 Author: JKthree  Posts: 1125 |
| http://lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16463 | 2009-09-14 20:13:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| http://lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16463 Everyone's beating me to posts here! (cog beat me to recording the bonus 18 levels and now this) | 2009-09-14 20:20:00 Author: JKthree Posts: 1125 |
| Only 1000? **** that isn't much... | 2009-09-14 20:56:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| Only 1000? **** that isn't much... Compared to the small amount of users currently playing the BETA on a regular basis, that is a huge number to add. | 2009-09-14 21:00:00 Author: mnimmo1986  Posts: 552 |
| cool i hope that i come in | 2009-09-14 21:07:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Compared to the small amount of users currently playing the BETA on a regular basis, that is a huge number to add. And how many of the 1000 picked will play it on a regular basis, and report what they saw (bug / glitch etc)... | 2009-09-14 21:24:00 Author: croissantbuncake Posts: 572 |
| And how many of the 1000 picked will play it on a regular basis, and report what they saw (bug / glitch etc)... Well I can't speak for anyone else but I certainly would. | 2009-09-14 21:31:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210 |
| I would also, I would be all day finding bugs and trying to do my best if they chose me to test it. | 2009-09-14 21:32:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| Well I can't speak for anyone else but I certainly would. Yeah, once mistervista finds a bug he won't rest until all traces are eradicated! | 2009-09-14 21:34:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| Yeah, once mistervista finds a bug he won't rest until all traces are eradicated! LOL, Thanks ARD, you know me too well !! | 2009-09-14 21:35:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210 |
| Hopefully this we'll get the topic here going about something other than the leaked videos... But over on LittleBigWorkshop (http://forums.littlebigworkshop.com/lbp/board/message?board.id=pod&thread.id=90710) [This update - September 14] The initial phase of the beta with the existing testers has been underway for a short time, and we're about to introduce the first new wave of testers into the group. We will be adding 1000 more people into the test this week, all of whom will have signed up last month. Currently we expect the email to be sent out on Thursday September 17th, however this date is provisional (if there's any change we'll try to update as soon as we know). This is not the final stage of testing, and more people will be added over the coming weeks, so if you are not invited this time around don't give up hope just yet. Message Edited by Sam_Protagonist on 09-14-2009 05:35 AM Can't wait! *crosses fingers* This should make many people happy. As much as I'd love to be in the Beta, I think I would give my beta code away to someone who really wants it, if that's possible. My current level doesn't require water, anyway. Besides, I'm still thinking up ideas.  | 2009-09-14 21:53:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| This should make many people happy. As much as I'd love to be in the Beta, I think I would give my beta code away to someone who really wants it, if that's possible. My current level doesn't require water, anyway. Besides, I'm still thinking up ideas. I would gladly take a beta code off your hands | 2009-09-14 21:57:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| I don't think I have the Messin'-around attitude that usually picks up Glitches, so I won't be such a contribution to this Beta. | 2009-09-14 21:58:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| glad there is a date set....hopefully i get the beta..and as ive stated in earlier pages i did already have 2 psn accounts so if im lucky enough to get both beta codes then i will gladly give the 2nd away.....as to how ill do it i think ill find a master creator who hasnt gotten the beta somehow and just give it to them | 2009-09-15 01:23:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| my brother applied for the beta, can i play on it? | 2009-09-15 18:42:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| I think so. I can use my sub account on mine. | 2009-09-15 18:45:00 Author: Morgana25  Posts: 5983 |
| I don't think I have the Messin'-around attitude that usually picks up Glitches, so I won't be such a contribution to this Beta. I'm rubbish at finding glitches too, but as long as you stay active who knows what you could find Even if you don't find anything you can contribute by giving feedback. If you find something that you don't like then post it and there's a good chance that Mm will change it in the following update | 2009-09-15 18:55:00 Author: Dexiro Posts: 2100 |
| if i come in the beta then i wil @#%$ the beta up so i can easily spot glitches beqause i mess around it mutch | 2009-09-15 20:40:00 Author: Unknown User |
| and how old are you hybrid? | 2009-09-16 07:14:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Ok, here's a question for anyone who knows about the beta (probably applies to anyone in the original lbp beta aswell). Suppose you build something in the beta that you wish to use again when water is officially released, is there any way of keeping the item until the release or is everything in the beta client wiped once the testing period closes? | 2009-09-16 11:22:00 Author: croissantbuncake Posts: 572 |
| Ok, here's a question for anyone who knows about the beta (probably applies to anyone in the original lbp beta aswell). Suppose you build something in the beta that you wish to use again when water is officially released, is there any way of keeping the item until the release or is everything in the beta client wiped once the testing period closes? I would also like to know, and if we can save our levels from the beta and publish them when the release comes out. | 2009-09-16 12:53:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| I would also like to know, and if we can save our levels from the beta and publish them when the release comes out. i assume so since when LBP came out i remember people with levels out bragging about how they made it in the beta | 2009-09-16 16:14:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| I'm rubbish at finding glitches too, but as long as you stay active who knows what you could find Even if you don't find anything you can contribute by giving feedback. If you find something that you don't like then post it and there's a good chance that Mm will change it in the following update Yay for motivation. | 2009-09-16 16:30:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| So... Did anyone get a code today? | 2009-09-17 21:42:00 Author: Kobe24Life Posts: 150 |
| sadly no i'm feeling my heart sink slowly...i hope it was just late or maybe there will be more tomorrow...will be F5ing tomorrow like a mother ****** until then | 2009-09-18 05:20:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| i did not get a code today is the first wave started? | 2009-09-18 05:44:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I would also like to know, and if we can save our levels from the beta and publish them when the release comes out. We've been told no but who knows. | 2009-09-18 06:29:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
| I got a code yesterday but i'm sorry for the people who didn't | 2009-09-18 09:08:00 Author: robotiod  Posts: 2662 |
| I got a code yesterday but i'm sorry for the people who didn't That is a lie. I'm sure more than just you would be in the jumps would it be true. | 2009-09-18 14:32:00 Author: neonrage0 Posts: 284 |
| so the first wave is already there oke so lets wait for wave 2 | 2009-09-18 14:39:00 Author: Unknown User |
| That is a lie. I'm sure more than just you would be in the jumps would it be true. I'm not lying i have been invited. I'm really happy about it but i'm sure lots of people off this website got them too. | 2009-09-18 14:49:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
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